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I have no need to be "freed" from being who I am. Nor do I wish to be "freed." Telling people they should stop being themselves is not suggesting "freedom;" it's just presumptuous on your part, and annoying. Live as you want to, but don't tell other people how we should live. I am very happy being gay, thank you.I have gotten help. Christ freed me from those as He will free anyone who repents of their sins. This is key in the Good News and I truly hope homosexuals can see that and be free as well.
God has so much more for us than temporary pleasure brought about from satisfying our flesh.
I do not agree that being gay, or loving one's committed spouse who happens to be of the same sex, is a sin. Also, you asked in your previous post whether you are free to be a drunk or an adulterer. That was your question, and I answered it. The answer is yes. You did not ask whether God wants people to be drunks or adulterers.Living in sin is living sin, whether its as a homosexual, adluterer, liar, gossip or any other. They should all be treated as equal, as God sees them.
Just because in the US I am free to be a drunk aldulterer doesn't mean its OK in God's eyes, and it is His eyes that matter.
Who, in this thread or any other, has ever said anything about wanting/needing temporary pleasure by satisfying the flesh?I have gotten help. Christ freed me from those as He will free anyone who repents of their sins. This is key in the Good News and I truly hope homosexuals can see that and be free as well.
God has so much more for us than temporary pleasure brought about from satisfying our flesh.
But when God joins 2 together it is a beautiful thing.Living in sin is living sin, whether its as a homosexual, adluterer, liar, gossip or any other. They should all be treated as equal, as God sees them.
Just because in the US I am free to be a drunk aldulterer doesn't mean its OK in God's eyes, and it is His eyes that matter.
Well he does now.God never joined two people of the same sex in the Bible as a beautiful thing.
"If you can apply this verse to racial equality, you can also apply it to equality of sexual orientation, that's for darn sure!"If you can apply this verse to racial equality, you can also apply it to equality of sexual orientation, that's for darn sure!
So, does the same go with those who discriminate (Those who actually do, not the pathetic accusations by a member..) against homosexuals? They're free to do so are the not?1) Being gay is not a "lifestyle." It's a characteristic.
2) You are free to continue living as a drunk or an adulterer, not because you were born drunk or adulterous, but because we have free choice in the United States. Plenty of people live as drunks and as adulterers, and they are free to do so. That may not be a good way to live, but people are and should be free to live like that.
Being gay is not at all like being drunk or being an adulterer, because there is nothing wrong with being gay; it's not an illness, not a moral defect or a sin. It's just a characteristic. Being born gay is not the issue; the issue is whether we are going to treat all people as equals and with respect regardless of their sexual orientation. I think we should.
from ChalliceThunder:
Brother JayJay -
Perhaps we both need to pick up our crosses and follow Christ, and live in the tension of it all.
What difference does it make whether it's in scripture? It is in scripture to love one's neighbor as oneself, and that should prompt all Christians to love gay people and to stop hounding us or beating us up with the Bible.Yessir, and Amen!
But, still...where are the scriptures? If a relationship between two people of the same sex wasn't ever blessed in scripture, why should it change now?
That's right. The gay folks are not bringing this up; it's only the anti-gay people who seem obsessed with sex.Who, in this thread or any other, has ever said anything about wanting/needing temporary pleasure by satisfying the flesh?
It seems it's only your side.
So what? The Bible is not the only authority. I don't regard the Bible as an authority at all.God never joined two people of the same sex in the Bible as a beautiful thing.
Being gay is not a sin at all, regardless of your interpretation of the Bible.It would be unloving to not encourage people to live rightly, regardless of the sin being committed.
Again, I just wish homosexuality wasn't being treated as the sin of all sins, when it isn't. All sin should be approached the same and treated the same.
This has nothing to do with gay people or with being gay or with our loving our spouses. Please stop judging gay people.God does not change, so He still doesn't. He does allow us to continue in our sin.
The nature of sin is to give in to our fleshly desires...seek temporary pleasure. We are all guilty in this. Romans chapters 6-8 address this pretty well. The battle for beleivers is to choose, continuously, between walking in the flesh or walking in the Spirit.
I am Christian. I do not, however, regard the Bible as an authority. The Bible is not "proof" of anything, except what some people in earlier times believed or thought.That's OK, This is a Christian messag board and Christians do, at least to some extent depending on denomination, give the Bible its due.
Regardless, you brought up the idea that God does join and bless homosexual people. The Bible shows you to be mistaken and you have no proof to refute that.
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