Homosexuality isn't a sin, nor is gay marriage (2)

[Floatingaxe]

You don't know God's word.

Yes, He knows it...more than yourself, who denies it.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Morality comes from God in the first place. Any atheist who has an ounce of morality, possesses it from their upbringing in a society that adheres to basic God-commanded principles.

 

[Ohioprof]

What kind of a just God would do that? That is what an UNJUST god would do--a bleeding heart, a liberal, a humanized god.

So, if an unrepentant axe murderer came and hacked up your child, you'd expect God to welcome Him into the kingdom, maybe have a house nextdoor to you?

I think that all are saved regardless of the terrible acts they commit or the good they may do or the faith they may hold.

Interestingly, Calvinists have made a similar argument that the elect are justified by God's grace regardless of what they do or believe on earth. In Calvinist theology, someone who commits a horrible murder may be among the elect, and what they do or what they believe has no impact on whether they are saved or not. But Calvinism differs from Universalism in that we Universalists believe all are saved, while Calvinists believe that God chooses those who are saved and those who are not.

 

[Ohioprof]

Morality comes from God in the first place. Any atheist who has an ounce of morality, possesses it from their upbringing from a society that adheres to basic God-commanded principles.

I imagine an atheist would be quite insulted by this claim.

 

[Ohioprof]

Yes, He knows it...more than yourself, who denies it.

I don't claim to know God's word.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I imagine an atheist would be quite insulted by this claim.

It's true, nonetheless.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I think that all are saved regardless of the terrible acts they commit or the good they may do or the faith they may hold.

Interestingly, Calvinists have made a similar argument that the elect are justified by God's grace regardless of what they do or believe on earth. In Calvinist theology, someone who commits a horrible murder may be among the elect, and what they do or what they believe has no impact on whether they are saved or not. But Calvinism differs from Universalism in that we Universalists believe all are saved, while Calvinists believe that God chooses those who are saved and those who are not.

Only those who come to the cross of Jesus Christ in repentance, confessing their sin before Him, and putting their faith in Him can be saved. That is scriptural. Any other view is bogus and is a lie, and an insult to the one who was beaten, whipped, nailed and spat on, stabbed and mocked for each INDIVIDUAL human being, personally.

 

[Ohioprof]

It's true, nonetheless.

I don't think so.

 

[Ohioprof]

Only those who come to the cross of Jesus Christ in repentance, confessing their sin before Him, and putting their faith in Him can be saved. That is scriptural. Any other view is bogus and is a lie, and an insult to the one who was beaten, whipped, nailed and spat on, stabbed and mocked for each INDIVIDUAL human being, personally.

Well, the Puritan elders disagreed with you, and had you insisted on preaching your doctrine in Puritan Massachusetts, you would probably have been kicked out of the colony.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Well, the Puritan elders disagreed with you, and had you insisted on preaching your doctrine in Puritan Massachusetts, you would probably have been kicked out of the colony.

Who cares? Bully for them! Why should I care about the Puritan sect? It's what Jesus came to give us--salvation. Anyone who refuses it is plum outta luck.

 

[GenemZ]

I am quoting my own post here, because I just read an interesting article in the New York Times which argues what I was suggesting in this post about morals possibly being hard-wired in us. Check this out, and enjoy reading: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/science/18mora.html?_r=1&8dpc&oref=slogin

You do not believe the Bible is the Word of God? But, the NY Times, is?

 

[GenemZ]

You are a prof? You couldn't figure out that I was speaking about Jesus when He was physically here?

And...yes, He is right here with me talking to me, sweetly and lovingly about how much He loves me and is pleased with me.

I see... You're pray and tell!

 

[Floatingaxe]

You do not believe the Bible is the Word of God? But, the NY Times, is?

Eggsactly!

(OY! I'm hungry!)

 

[Floatingaxe]

I see... You're pray and tell!

Yep! But us charismatics shout it out! Hallelujah, Jesus, my Strong Tower!

 

[GenemZ]

Again, see my example.

I doubt a God who is eternally good would it filth for a mother to willingly risk her life to give birth to her child, or for a stranger to step in front of a car to save a child. Regardless of what they believe, I doubt God looks on that as "filth".

Not filth in the sense you are using it.

If she tried to use that act to win her way to Heaven? Without accepting Christ? It would be seen as being as good as filth. Worthless to earn her redemption.

 

[GenemZ]

Yes. Because I believe all are saved.

I know you must believe that.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Not filth in the sense you are using it.

If she tried to use that act to win her way to Heaven? Without accepting Christ? It would be seen as being as good as filth. Worthless to earn her redemption.

Most won't do that.

I can imagine that on Judgment Day most atheists will think they're dreaming until the truly dire awakening happens.

 

[GenemZ]

My post was not addressed to you.

Please remember that I AM a Christian, and I have as much right to post here as you do.

If I say I am a Christian, then I AM a Christian. You don't get to define who I am. I do that.

What is your definition of being a Christian?

 

[davedjy]

Ive also read many testimonies of people going to hell and seeing homosexuals there.

Are we supposed to actually buy this notion that someone saw people in hell that were "homosexuals"? Did they have an "I'm a gay" sticker on their forehead or something? Were they labeled a certain way, that you could just tell?

Hell is described in the Bible as a place of utter isolation from what I recall, so how you would you see other people there? hmmm....

 

[HaloHope]

Ive also read many testimonies of people going to hell and seeing homosexuals there. Ye.

Ah yes, there are truly some creative works of fiction out there.