Homosexuality is a sin

[RMDY]

Well, apparently Lesbians are in the clear with the book of Leviticus since it does not mention women with women.

*sigh* Technically Lesbians can't fornicate with their body parts but neither can they get married either, so if they lust for one another sexually, that technically is a sin.

 

[RMDY]

Fornication The most well understood meaning of this word (throughout the Bible) is whoredom. Whether the person is married or isn't doesn't matter. Whether the person charges money for this 'fee' or does not, doesn't matter. The word still means the same.

You also have to take into account the marriage bed.

 

[trubeliever89]

Are we actually discussing and arguing over whether or not the Bible says that homosexuality is a sin? :S

 

[RMDY]

Fornication The most well understood meaning of this word (throughout the Bible) is whoredom. Whether the person is married or isn't doesn't matter. Whether the person charges money for this 'fee' or does not, doesn't matter. The word still means the same.

whoredom is a kind of fornication, but your not telling the full truth about it.

 

[RMDY]

OK, so it's a sin. It is just one in the list. The Bible says ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. There's no sense in beating people over the head with one particular sin when we all have sinned in all kinds of ways. Christians know usually when they are sinning or not. Either they will stop or not, repent or not.

Theres a difference in informing people that it is a sin when they put words in God's mouth that it isn't! You know? I am not beating people up over their sexuality, I am just informing people of the truth.

 

[holo]

I am just informing people of the truth.

You're not informing people of the truth, only about your opinion

In case there were actually people here who didn't know what to believe about homosexuality, I don't think your statement made the difference...

We all know perfectly well all these verses from the bible. Yet we disagree, and we will continue to disagree. Not because we don't agree that the bible does say this and that, but because we interpret it differently. The moment we accuse one another of "ignoring God's word" or something to that effect, we make any real debate completely impossible, and we also reveal a childish lack of respect. Just saying

 

[Ave Maria]

You're not informing people of the truth, only about your opinion

In case there were actually people here who didn't know what to believe about homosexuality, I don't think your statement made the difference...

We all know perfectly well all these verses from the bible. Yet we disagree, and we will continue to disagree. Not because we don't agree that the bible does say this and that, but because we interpret it differently. The moment we accuse one another of "ignoring God's word" or something to that effect, we make any real debate completely impossible, and we also reveal a childish lack of respect. Just saying

Actually, he is informing people about the truth. Even the Bible says that practing homosexuals and passive homosexual partners will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1Co 6:9 ESV Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
1Co 6:10 ESV nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1Co 6:9 NET Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals,
1Co 6:10 NET thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[holo]

Actually, he is informing people about the truth. Even the Bible says that practing homosexuals and passive homosexual partners will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1Co 6:9 ESV Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
1Co 6:10 ESV nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1Co 6:9 NET Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals,
1Co 6:10 NET thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God.

What translation is that?
What is the kingdom of God? Is it heaven?
Does this mean that if I'm "verbally abusive" even though I am saved, I won't go to heaven? If that's how people are interpreting thos verses, they should be shaking in their boots - it's not like homosexual people would be very different from most of us in that respect. In fact, if you're using those verses to say that people won't go to heaven for having homosexual sex, then you yourself won't go to heaven either if you happen to be greedy or verbally abusive or get drunk.

Or perhaps, as is usually the case, homosexual sex is a special sin, and God won't take the other sins on that list quite as seriously...

 

[mshupe1959]

What translation is that?
What is the kingdom of God? Is it heaven?
Does this mean that if I'm "verbally abusive" even though I am saved, I won't go to heaven? If that's how people are interpreting thos verses, they should be shaking in their boots - it's not like homosexual people would be very different from most of us in that respect. In fact, if you're using those verses to say that people won't go to heaven for having homosexual sex, then you yourself won't go to heaven either if you happen to be greedy or verbally abusive or get drunk.

Or perhaps, as is usually the case, homosexual sex is a special sin, and God won't take the other sins on that list quite as seriously...

this was my point.
Homosexuality is beaten to a pulp with the exclusion of all others in most Christian circles. Why is that? Are we trying to divert the attention away from our own sin? I'm not making accusations, but we should look inside ourselves for a while.

 

[Joykins]

Generally when the Bible mentions men or mankind, it also means women. That is generally speaking though.

In case the word means "men" as in male. In the OT and NT (the Greek is gender specific; the only possible reference to women and homsexual acts in the whole Bible would be in Rom. 1.

 

[Joykins]

Neither the righteous nor the unrighteous will enter the Kingdom of God.

 

[tapero]

Closed for review, possible consideration for moving to another forum;

please feel free to post in this link regarding this:

http://christianforums.com/t7175909

oops! I thought there was just one post here..

will look thru and see if mod hat will stay

 

[tapero]

Thread moved from Christian Philosophy and Ethics to Debates on Homosexuality.

Thanks,
tapero

 

[RMDY]

eh?

 

[Criada]

As has ben said, there is a difference between temptation and sin. And those of us who are tempted in this way but resist it are not sinning... it that particular way.
But we are all sinners...even heterosexuals!

 

[ReligiousTruth]

Homosexuals and homosexualistic advocates claim that "homosexuality" isn't in the bible. But clearly in Matthew 15:10 Jesus is actually referring to homosexuality as something that defiles someone. Another thing is, there are other forms of sexual immorality that Jesus didn't directly mention, for example, beastiality! You won't find a direct references the word "beastiality" in the bible either. That is because it is either defined as fornication (sexual relations outside of a marriage between man and a woman) or defined as sexual immorality. Secondly, there were no homosexual marriages in Israel (notice how I highlighted this?) when the bible was written during the Old Testament or during New Testament writings.

No the bible does not directly reference Homosexuality, or Beastiality; Bestiality should in no way be equated with Homosexuality. I am in a loving, committed, monogamist, sexual, spiritual, and same-species relationship with a man. This is a fact that Beastiality cannot boast for itself.

Homosexuals have existed for much longer than Christianity, and just because you denied us our rights to marry then, as well as now, doesn't prove we are sinning.
Also I like how you said "when the bible was written during old testament or during new testament writings" insinuating you don't know time scales for the bible.

The fact that beastiality is not exactly mentioned in N.T. does not make beastialiaty without sin. Homosexual advocatists cannot justify and rationalize their behaviour as not sinning when they cannot explain why Jesus also didn't mention beastiality and other forms of sexual immorality except for fornication. The fact is, homosexuality is a sin as a result of these deducements:

We don't have to justify and rationalize it, because frankly the burden of proof lies with those Defending the Bible, (Notice I put this in bold, not highlighted).

1) Homosexuals advocate the word "homosexuality is not mentioned in the bible directly," but beastiality is also not mentioned in the new testament as well. Therefore, one can deduce using common sense that the greek word pornea would be the actual word used when referring to beastiality and both homosexuality and therefore, is a form of fornication.

Oh, please reference this, and pick which language you want to use, Greek, Latin, or Hebrew.

2) Homosexuality and beastiality are both forms of fornication:
a) Because no Israel homosexual marriages were not sanctioned lawfully or unlawfully in the country
b) Beastiality and homosexuality were sexual acts outside the union of a marriage between a man and a woman (within Israel)
c) The New Testament did not change laws around to allow homosexuals to get married nor did the new testament change any ideas about homosexuality

See above.

There you have it. Good, logical, rational proof that homosexuality is considered a sin.

Hardly, you have succeeded in restating old arguments. Logical? Not really, since any reference to the bible violates no less than 9 logical fallacies. Rational? No circular and poorly at that, A is B is A is K?

Try again.

 

[UncleBags]

Did this guy actually create this topic and just say THAT?

How many of these kind of bomb throwers are there in these forums? I won't be able to handle to many of them.

 

[ReligiousTruth]

Did this guy actually create this topic and just say THAT?

How many of these kind of bomb throwers are there in these forums? I won't be able to handle to many of them.

Yes he really said it. But the truth is, a lot of people are saying it. Sad but true.

 

[RMDY]

No the bible does not directly reference Homosexuality, or Beastiality; Bestiality should in no way be equated with Homosexuality.

Don't take my word for it, take what Paul says:

What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."
Romans 7:7

Homosexuals have existed for much longer than Christianity, and just because you denied us our rights to marry then, as well as now, doesn't prove we are sinning.
Also I like how you said "when the bible was written during old testament or during new testament writings" insinuating you don't know time scales for the bible.

That is not a good argument your making (homosexuality exists before christianity). The truth is, christianity is basically a fulfillment of the law (Jesus fulfills the law). Matthew 5:17
God revealed the law against wicked people to show his righteousness. But keep in mind that there are two things to consider:

Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17

I appeal to you therefore, brothers,by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.
Romans 12:1-2

Hardly, you have succeeded in restating old arguments. Logical? Not really, since any reference to the bible violates no less than 9 logical fallacies. Rational? No circular and poorly at that, A is B is A is K?

Try again.

Oh, please reference this, and pick which language you want to use, Greek, Latin, or Hebrew.[/quote]I used greek for the definition of pornea with references to Hebrew Israeli culture, ethnics, politics, law, and the first relationship during God's creation which is the one between Adam and Eve. The bible is a beautiful painting of God's creation and I see no homosexual relations within it that is acceptable as being "moral".

 

[*Starlight*]

Homosexuality is a sin

Homosexuality isn't a sin