Homosexuality is a sin.

[Pogue]

God allows a lot of things, but that doesn't mean that sense he allows certain things, that he wants us doing it. Again, now you are bringing condemnation on God, saying he promotes slavery.

Well, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. He allows a lot of things, but doesn't allow them? Again, if you ignore the bits about slavery, how can you justify paying attention to the bits about homosexuality? If that's not cherry-picking, what is?
I'm not bringing condemnation on God, and I think slavery is wrong, and forbidden by God. I'd just like my point about slavery addressed, please.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Well, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. He allows a lot of things, but doesn't allow them? Again, if you ignore the bits about slavery, how can you justify paying attention to the bits about homosexuality? If that's not cherry-picking, what is?
I'm not bringing condemnation on God, and I think slavery is wrong, and forbidden by God. I'd just like my point about slavery addressed, please.

God allows them to have slaves, but he never says it is moral. He does however say Homosexuality is an abomination. Remember in the Bible where it says that God didn't want them to divorce, but let them because they would cry about it? Same thing with slavery. Not to mention God speaks against slavery many times. Remember that God brought Jews OUT of slavery, and condemned Egypt as well for it. God doesn't 100% say slavery is a good thing, but he 100% says Homosexuality is an abomination.

 

[Pogue]

God allows them to have slaves, but he never says it is moral. He does however say Homosexuality is an abomination. Remember in the Bible where it says that God didn't want them to divorce, but let them because they would cry about it? Same thing with slavery. Not to mention God speaks against slavery many times. Remember that God brought Jews OUT of slavery, and condemned Egypt as well for it. God doesn't 100% say slavery is a good thing, but he 100% says Homosexuality is an abomination.

Allowing something is the same as saying it's moral, surely? Slavery is either 100% good, or 100% bad. If you're prepared to admit that the Bible doesn't condemn slavery completely, but only partly, why can't you say the same about homosexuality?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Allowing something is the same as saying it's moral, surely? Slavery is either 100% good, or 100% bad. If you're prepared to admit that the Bible doesn't condemn slavery completely, but only partly, why can't you say the same about homosexuality?

Because God never allowed Homosexuality in the Bible, infact, he destroyed Sodom and Gomarrah for that sin.

 

[Pogue]

Because God never allowed Homosexuality in the Bible, infact, he destroyed Sodom and Gomarrah for that sin.

He also never allowed playing tennis in the Bible- does that make it a sin?
It's highly debateable about why he destroyed Sodom and Gomarrah.
Could you address my point regarding slavery, please?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

He also never allowed playing tennis in the Bible- does that make it a sin?
It's highly debateable about why he destroyed Sodom and Gomarrah.
Could you address my point regarding slavery, please?

Did God call tennis an abomination in the Bible? If not, than your point is irrelivent.

 

[Pogue]

Did God call tennis an abomination in the Bible? If not, than your point is irrelivent.

No, not to my knowledge, but I'm not convinced that he actually called homosexuality an abomination either. There are huge translation difficulties.
Could you address my point regarding slavery, please?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

No, not to my knowledge, but I'm not convinced that he actually called homosexuality an abomination either. There are huge translation difficulties.
Could you address my point regarding slavery, please?

What was your point agian? That since God doesn't condemn slavery, that I shouldn't preach against Homosexuality?

 

[Pogue]

What was your point agian? That since God doesn't condemn slavery, that I shouldn't preach against Homosexuality?

I've said it quite a few times now.
My point was that if the Bible promotes slavery, as it appears to, and you don't promote slavery yourself, how can you justify condemning homosexuality because the Bible appears to?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

No, not to my knowledge, but I'm not convinced that he actually called homosexuality an abomination either. There are huge translation difficulties.
Could you address my point regarding slavery, please?

The KJV translators were very intelligent, you can trust they did a good enough job of translating the text. God calls it an abomination, and actually condemns the action of homosexuality. Even if the word Abomination was a miss translation, it doesn't matter, because you can't seperate the word from the discription.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

I've said it quite a few times now.
My point was that if the Bible promotes slavery, as it appears to, and you don't promote slavery yourself, how can you justify condemning homosexuality because the Bible appears to?

Because they are not the same thing. And the Bible does not promote slavery.

 

[Pogue]

The KJV translators were very intelligent, you can trust they did a good enough job of translating the text. God calls it an abomination, and actually condemns the action of homosexuality. Even if the word Abomination was a miss translation, it doesn't matter, because you can't seperate the word from the discription.

Even intelligent people can make mistakes. And the word 'homosexual' could also very well be a mistranslation.

 

[Pogue]

Because they are not the same thing. And the Bible does not promote slavery.

Of course they're not the same thing (they're about as different as homosexuality and bestiality) but the point still stands. You're ignoring the Bible's teaching in one case, but standing by it in another.
Given the Bible quotes I posted in post 77, how can you say that the Bible does not promote slavery?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Of course they're not the same thing (they're about as different as homosexuality and bestiality) but the point still stands. You're ignoring the Bible's teaching in one case, but standing by it in another.
Given the Bible quotes I posted in post 77, how can you say that the Bible does not promote slavery?

Because God says don't be a homosexual. However, he doesn't say, Have slaves.

 

[Pogue]

Because God says don't be a homosexual. However, he doesn't say, Have slaves.

He doesn't say either, in so many words. And yet, the quotes I posted earlier would suggest that he endorses slavery.

 

[davedjy]

Even intelligent people can make mistakes. And the word 'homosexual' could also very well be a mistranslation.

It IS a mistranslation...the word for homosexual was not used. Chris thinks that if he starts 500 threads w/biased translations, that he will convince people of something otherwise.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Even intelligent people can make mistakes. And the word 'homosexual' could also very well be a mistranslation.

What about the actions of homosexuality. Is that a miss translation as well?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

He doesn't say either, in so many words. And yet, the quotes I posted earlier would suggest that he endorses slavery.

He condemns homosexuality. That's all I need to know.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

It IS a mistranslation...the word for homosexual was not used. Chris thinks that if he starts 500 threads w/biased translations, that he will convince people of something otherwise.

Chris likes to believe the Word of God, and not the word of man.

 

[Pogue]

What about the actions of homosexuality. Is that a miss translation as well?

He condemns homosexuality. That's all I need to know.

Argh, you're back. I might not be able to continue this debate for much longer today, because it's approaching midnight over here, and I need sleep.
OK- I don't really understand your first point. What does the Bible say about the actions of homosexuality? Is there evidence that it's directly referring to gay people?
And again, I don't believe that the Bible condemns homosexuality. It's very much open to interpretation and error.