Homosexuality is a sin, get over it...

[Battie]

I think I should explain myself more. I'm not saying people who can create life are better than everyone else. I'm not saying that heterosexual couples who cannot create life are not from God.

But it doesn't make sense to me that God would create a whole orieintation of people who cannot create life themselves because of mental reasons, homosexuality, not physical reasons, sterility.

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Luke

Hi.

I'm a straight female, but the thought of being pregnant completely freaks me out. It wasn't something I decided--even when I was little and we used to play house and dream about being mommies, I hated the thought of being pregnant. I don't know why.

However, I want to get married one day and maybe have kids. I think my mentality may be a sign that I should adopt, and there are so many homeless children out there that I don't think I should feel bad for not wanting to create more. Doesn't giving a child a home also bring something to the beauty of creation?

My example might seem strange, but I just see that gays who want families may have been given a special calling from God to do something for children already living that many other people are not willing to do.

I hope I'm making sense. I didn't get much sleep last night...

 

[akaibara]

But it doesn't make sense to me that God would create a whole orieintation of people who cannot create life themselves because of mental reasons, homosexuality, not physical reasons, sterility.

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Luke

Why not? What about asexuals, who don't want to have sex(and therefore not have children the natural way) They were born that way too. Besides, there's more to life than reproducing.

 

[ThirdDay3337]

Why not? What about asexuals, who don't want to have sex(and therefore not have children the natural way) They were born that way too. Besides, there's more to life than reproducing.

When I said mental reasons, I was referring to the fact that some people believe that people who are gay are born that way. I don't think that.

I don't believe that God creates people who are born gay. My post was meaning this, not the people who don't want to have sex.

 

[Konkurrent]

I don't believe that God creates people who are born gay. My post was meaning this, not the people who don't want to have sex.

So what are you saying, that God creates some people and not others? You're saying that the Devil creates gay people?

Heck, simply saying that the Devil creates - anything - is heretical in most Christian faiths.

 

[ThirdDay3337]

So what are you saying, that God creates some people and not others? You're saying that the Devil creates gay people?

Heck, simply saying that the Devil creates - anything - is heretical in most Christian faiths.

Wow. I don't know where you came to the conclusion that I thought the devil created gay people.

God creates men. God doesn't start their lives genetically gay.

People choose to be gay after they are born.

 

[Godssong]

Wow...it's a little warm in here...

I've never seen such interesting arguments on this topic before

Sin is sin, God hates all sin, but loves all people. Christianity is about Christ and worshipping Him...we are to tell the TRUTH of the Gospel, and not make excuses or allowances for sin, whatever they may be, nor overemphasize one over another.

And that's all I think I'm gonna say...

 

[Konkurrent]

Wow. I don't know where you came to the conclusion that I thought the devil created gay people.

God creates men. God doesn't start their lives genetically gay.

People choose to be gay after they are born.

Too bad nothing supports that assertion. Even the Bible doesn't say that people aren't born gay. Science says that the origin is unknown.

The only people that say the know for sure are the ones vehemently opposed to homosexuality. Seems a bit biased to me.

 

[Godssong]

(the Bible doesn't say that people ARE born gay, either...)

(sorry...just had to toss that in... )

 

[ThirdDay3337]

Too bad nothing supports that assertion. Even the Bible doesn't say that people aren't born gay. Science says that the origin is unknown.

The only people that say the know for sure are the ones vehemently opposed to homosexuality. Seems a bit biased to me.

Except that isn't true at all. I know people who are just as vehemently for the idea that gay people are born that way. I think you are just as biased as me.

 

[ThirdDay3337]

The Bible says many times that homosexuality is a sin. Read the first post for the verses.

Why would God create people who have no choice, but to sin?

 

[AmberInSoFla]

sigh....

I honestly don't know if it is a sin or not... I'm one of those people that was born between genders. I have no idea what a "straight" relationship would be because no matter who I am with, there are some people that would consider it to be a homosexual relationship.
If we spend too much time concentrating on sin, we loose track of something much nicer. The fact that we are already free.

Jesus is Risen!

 

[Konkurrent]

Except that isn't true at all.

What in the bleeding hell are you talking about? What isn't true?

I know people who are just as vehemently for the idea that gay people are born that way.

That's to be expected. Do you have a point?

I think you are just as biased as me.

About what? I can't be biased about saying "I don't know where homosexuality comes from." That's called honesty. There is no bias in admitting a lack of knowledge.

The Bible says many times that homosexuality is a sin. Read the first post for the verses.

And yet again I'll point out that not everyone reads those verses the same way. Just because you see homosexuality in them doesn't mean I do. Generally speaking, I don't see homosexuality in most things - including homosexuals. It doesn't spring to my mind on a regular basis.

I think of it like those ink blot tests. If you are really, really into bats you're probably going to see a lot of ink blot bats.

Why would God create people who have no choice, but to sin?

Why would God create a mammal that lays eggs? I haven't got a clue, He never told me. Do you know why He did everything?

I remember being your age. I knew everything then, too.

 

[ThirdDay3337]

hmm... I guess my age means I'm not entitled to an opinion. And I didn't realize you know me. You know you couldnt even use that excuse if I didn't post my age. Think about that.

You said "the only people who are sure they know are the ones vehemently opposed to homosexuality"

I was responding to that.

 

[ThirdDay3337]

Lev 18:22-23
"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

How would you interpret this verse?

 

[Konkurrent]

hmm... I guess my age means I'm not entitled to an opinion.

I never said that. I said that your age suggests that you, like most very young people, tend to behave as though you have all the answers. With age comes perspective.

If anything I'm suggesting that you take a more in-depth look at your claims, as they may embarass you when you're mature. But don't worry, adults don't generally hold the brashness of youth against those who outgrow it.

And I didn't realize you know me. You know you couldnt even use that excuse if I didn't post my age. Think about that.

You're taking a mere footnote on my post and treating it as though it's the basis of my argument. It's not. It's just the easiest thing for you to complain about if you can't stand up to the argument itself.

You said "the only people who are sure they know are the ones vehemently opposed to homosexuality"

I was responding to that.

Oh, I didn't realize I was actually supposed to take your anecdotal evidence seriously. If we're going to stick with "well I know a guy who says..." I'll start pulling out some better evidence. I'll call up my buddy and tell him to say some stuff so I can claim I know a guy who says that stuff.

I'm a lot more concerned with what reputable sources say.

There aren't any reputable sources (that I'm aware of) that claim to know for certain that homosexuality is genetic. If you'd like to produce something more concrete than "some guy you know", by all means, do so.

 

[Konkurrent]

Lev 18:22-23
"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

How would you interpret this verse?

I interpret it as useless unless you're a Jew. That's Old Testament - Old Law.

 

[wmc1982]

so some people in this forum actually think "gay activity" isn't a sin??? What version of the Bible do they have?

 

[AmberInSoFla]

\yep

 

[Konkurrent]

so some people in this forum actually think "gay activity" isn't a sin??? What version of the Bible do they have?

1. Not everyone in the forum is Christian (only this section is Christian-only).

2. Not every Christian in the forum is obsessed with other people's bedroom activity.

 

[ThirdDay3337]

You're taking a mere footnote on my post and treating it as though it's the basis of my argument. It's not. It's just the easiest thing for you to complain about if you can't stand up to the argument itself.

What a kind thing to say.

Neither of us have conclusive evidence.

Oh, I didn't realize I was actually supposed to take your anecdotal evidence seriously. If we're going to stick with "well I know a guy who says..." I'll start pulling out some better evidence. I'll call up my buddy and tell him to say some stuff so I can claim I know a guy who says that stuff.

I'm a lot more concerned with what reputable sources say.

There aren't any reputable sources (that I'm aware of) that claim to know for certain that homosexuality is genetic. If you'd like to produce something more concrete than "some guy you know", by all means, do so.

Please read your post that I was responding to and then read my post. Then you can debate what I'm saying.

You even said youself that it was to be expected that people are vehemently for gays being born that way. So in your words you agreed with my 'anecdotal evidence'.



And I don't appreciate the stereotypes you are placing on me. You don't understand that you couldn't say all that stuff if I didn't place my age on my posts.

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Luke