Homosexuality - Here I stand.

one11 · Jan 26, 2009

Dogbean said:
To love one another is good. That does not mean one needs to act on homosexual urges. Once they do, it's sin. Many people struggle with homosexuality, but keep it in check by not acting on it. Such people glorify God.

Telling somebody they are wrong for obeying Scripture is also arrogant and prideful. Picking things from the Word of God that you don't like and rejecting them as not breathed of God is very prideful and arrogant, and in doing so the person places themself above the Almighty. That's what Satan tried to do, and we all know what his fate is. Regarding the golden rule, if I were making a grave mistake in my Christianity, I would want a person to come and point it out for me to correct my error, rather than hold my hand and say "It's ok, I love you. You can do whatever you want if it makes you feel good." If they are knowingly letting me continue in my error, and go to hell for it, then they are not very loving, are they? It just shows they have no spine to tell me the hard truth, knowing it may hurt me a little in the short term, but have positive eternal consequences.

It just shows how watered down Christianity has become, especially in liberal denominations such as episcopalian and united methodist. People are too afraid to offend someone by telling them that they are a sinner.

I don't know on what grounds people think they can condemn people to hell for?

I thought the Bible says no one can say Christ is the son of God except by The Holy Spirit, and then it says "whoever confesses that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God shall be saved", and then it says something about those of us who accept Christ will be written in the lamb's book forever and we cannot be blotted out?

My churches have never condemned anyone to hell.

Next, I fear there are some schisms happening in the churches of today and it's not about hating gays. The real issue is gay marriage and gay marriage within the Christian churches which is causing the world to be in a bit of chaos and misunderstanding right now, but I don't know of any of my churches who condemn anyone to hell.

I'm a little confused on that.

one11 · Jan 26, 2009

wayseer said:
The Pharisees could quote scripture by the yard but they still failed to understand Jesus.

I'd say it more like this:

The Pharisees could quote scripture by the yard but didn't uphold the law themselves. They were into making money off the law and putting a terrible burden of confusion upon poor and oppressed people and taking THE money from these people while thy themselves (The Pharisees) did not uphold the law.

And The Pharisees are the ones who made The Temple into a den of robbers.

Jesus came back and said "My father's house is a house of prayer... and you know the rest." Jesus was not pleased one bit!

LightSeaker · Jan 26, 2009

one11 said:
I don't know on what grounds people think they can condemn people to hell for?

Being that each and every one of us is a sinner, I've often wondered the same thing.

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Dogbean · Jan 26, 2009

one11 said:
I don't know on what grounds people think they can condemn people to hell for?

I thought the Bible says no one can say Christ is the son of God except by The Holy Spirit, and then it says "whoever confesses that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God shall be saved", and then it says something about those of us who accept Christ will be written in the lamb's book forever and we cannot be blotted out?

My churches have never condemned anyone to hell.

Next, I fear there are some schisms happening in the churches of today and it's not about hating gays. The real issue is gay marriage and gay marriage within the Christian churches which is causing the world to be in a bit of chaos and misunderstanding right now, but I don't know of any of my churches who condemn anyone to hell.

I'm a little confused on that.

You took what I said the wrong way. I never said people condemn eachother. But if someone is sinning, and someone else comes up to that person and shows them in the Bible where God says that is a sin, then the scripture speaks for itself. It is God judging and condemning, not the person.

You asked if anyone confesses Christ they are saved and their name cannot be blotted out of the book of life. Yes, you are right. But do you think that's a license to continue in wilfull, repeated sin? In James it says faith without works is dead. A truly saved individual has works that are evidence of their salvation; their life is transformed and they seek to glorify God. They still sin, but it's not a life charactarized by wilfull, repeated, unrepentant sin.

LightSeaker · Jan 26, 2009

Have I sinned?

If so, where?

I do...daily.

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LightSeaker · Jan 26, 2009

Zeena said:
Are you speaking of Eros?
Because Eros is NOT Agape..

I’m not at all sure as to what message your wanting to pass along, but in regards to Love, I have to agree with Texas Lynn. To love another, regardless of anything, is a directly spiritual process…and I’d add…from God. The body on it’s own can not love. What it can do is desire, want, need and all things ego driven…but on it's own, it cannot Love. All Love comes from God.

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Admiral Kirk · Jan 27, 2009

Let me put it simply. I believe homosexuality is an abominable sin (God Himself considers it so), but we should love the sinner, and hate the sin.

wayseer · Jan 27, 2009

Artorius Maximus said:
Let me put it simply. I believe homosexuality is an abominable sin (God Himself considers it so), but we should love the sinner, and hate the sin.

Thank you for your contribution. However, you may have noted that I see such statements as essentially a cop-out. People are behaviour. As a social scientist will tell you - if you want to change someone, change their behaviour.

Jesus taught the same thing. He taught us to love and through the act of loving we ourselves change into something a little more worthy.

To turn your statement on its head I would end up with - If I see an act of compassion and kindness the person extending those qualities is not a loving human being - only the act is loving. Follow?

Zeena · Jan 27, 2009

LightSeaker said:
I’m not at all sure as to what message your wanting to pass along, but in regards to Love, I have to agree with Texas Lynn. To love another, regardless of anything, is a directly spiritual process…and I’d add…from God. The body on it’s own can not love. What it can do is desire, want, need and all things ego driven…but on it's own, it cannot Love. All Love comes from God.

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The WORLD can EROS [physical love] & PHILEO [friendly/family love], but cannot AGAPE [Godly Love]. For Agape Love is only producable by the Holy Spirit indwelling & infilling a born again believer;

Jesus was asking Peter if he AGAPAO Him;

John 21:15-17
So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest [agapao] thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love [phileo] thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest [agapao] thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love [phileo] thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest [phileo] thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love [phileo] thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/love.htm

david_x · Jan 27, 2009

wayseer said:
Thank you for your contribution. However, you may have noted that I see such statements as essentially a cop-out. People are behaviour. As a social scientist will tell you - if you want to change someone, change their behaviour.

Jesus taught the same thing. He taught us to love and through the act of loving we ourselves change into something a little more worthy.

To turn your statement on its head I would end up with - If I see an act of compassion and kindness the person extending those qualities is not a loving human being - only the act is loving. Follow?

You my friend should look into XXXchurch.com they personify this ideal.

(The number one Christian porn site...)

wayseer · Jan 28, 2009

david_x · Jan 28, 2009

wayseer said:
Pass

Haha, it's not everything it implies...

Zeena · Jan 28, 2009

david_x said:
Haha, it's not everything it implies...

Nope, I saw your thread!

BigBadWlf · Jan 28, 2009

Artorius Maximus said:
Let me put it simply. I believe homosexuality is an abominable sin (God Himself considers it so), but we should love the sinner, and hate the sin.

God considers eating clam chowder an abominable sin

Remarriage after divorce is an abomination

Paying interest on your mortgage is an abomination

Talking with a woman during her period is an abomination (but its so tough to get them to post sings about their menstrual cycle in the workplace)

Reading your daily horoscope in the newspaper is an abomination
trimming one's beard - abomination

Its an abomination to have a tattoo, even if it says "Mom"

Having your steak rare is an abomination

That poly cotton blend shirt you are wearingabomination

Ladies in pants? Abomination

Telling your wife that dress doesnt make her look fat is an abomination

Stopping off for a haircut? Abomination

david_x · Jan 28, 2009

It's charging interest...

Plus those are Jewish laws, not Christian.

Zeena · Jan 28, 2009

BigBadWlf said:
God considers eating clam chowder an abominable sin

Remarriage after divorce is an abomination

Paying interest on your mortgage is an abomination

Talking with a woman during her period is an abomination (but its so tough to get them to post sings about their menstrual cycle in the workplace)

Reading your daily horoscope in the newspaper is an abomination
trimming one's beard - abomination

Its an abomination to have a tattoo, even if it says "Mom"

Having your steak rare is an abomination

That poly cotton blend shirt you are wearingabomination

Ladies in pants? Abomination

Telling your wife that dress doesnt make her look fat is an abomination

Stopping off for a haircut? Abomination

Is one abomination any less than another? According to Scripture sin is sin. And anything that's not of faith is sin!

Does Jesus sin? If He's you're Life and you are actively trusting, resting and abiding in Him you will do no sin! For He will do no sin in and through you!

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.

wayseer · Jan 29, 2009

BigBadWlf said:
God considers eating clam chowder an abominable sin

Remarriage after divorce is an abomination

Paying interest on your mortgage is an abomination

Talking with a woman during her period is an abomination (but its so tough to get them to post sings about their menstrual cycle in the workplace)

Reading your daily horoscope in the newspaper is an abomination
trimming one's beard - abomination

Its an abomination to have a tattoo, even if it says "Mom"

Having your steak rare is an abomination

That poly cotton blend shirt you are wearingabomination

Ladies in pants? Abomination

Telling your wife that dress doesnt make her look fat is an abomination

Stopping off for a haircut? Abomination

Well put.

Rudolph Hucker · Jan 29, 2009

Yes, it was, but the response will of course be "that bit doesn't apply".

dayhiker · Jan 29, 2009

I read the word abombination as sin for decades. Then I started to study what purity meant. As many of the abombinations that we heard refereaced are in the holiness code of Lev.

The 1st thing I learned was that abombination is almost always used in referance to idol worship.
Then I learned that the holiness code was about seperation .. Isreal from the idol worshippers.
I seems that even the idol worshippers have a holines code. But we don't understand this stuff today that well. We are Americans because we have a paper, licience, passport, birth certificate that says we are we are American's. Back then what said one was apart of a certian group was their holiness codes. How they dressed, how they eat, how they worshipped, how they did or didn't do certian other things. Now when we take that to the NT we see why Paul says 5 times we aren't under the Law of Moses. God in Jesus isn't about making all of us Isrealites. So we don't have to obey the holiness code of Isreal. What is out holiness code? We shall worhip the Lord our God thru Jesus. Our holiness code that seperates us from non beleivers is not our dress etc. But are we staying away from idols and worshippping, loving Jesus. Jesus is our righteousness.

Its an abombination for us to worship idols. Why don't we hear this preached today. Because noone would be being convicted and feel guilty because so few have idol set on alters in they home that they bow down before!

dayhiker

xXSinnerXx · Jan 29, 2009

God clearly states homosexuality is an abomination.
But so is lying.
I do not believe it will keep you out of heaven.
It is still wrong.
then again looking at woman with a lustful eye is to(How many of us guys do that?)
the fact is we literally know nothing about homosexuality except its an abomination and some people claim to be gay.thats all we know.
Nobody understands it.
It clearly states homosexuality is a sin.
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Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as you lie with woman it is an abomination.

How can you not understand that?
its very clear.
There is NO other way to perceive it.
Cultures change God's word does not.
(Thats were I stand)

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