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No, they are not.False analogy; gender and sexual orientation are two separate and distinct constructs.
Traditionally Baptists have eschewed creeds. Many believe all the items in the Nicene creed, but demanding adherence to the political correctness of it is not traditionally a Baptist position. That may have changed in some instances. In 1960, when John Kennedy was elected President, Baptists in general opposed him due to their concern about his Catholicism and awareness that in Europe and Latin America, Catholics often advocated an entanglement between church and state. While traditionally Baptists opposed such entanglements, one hardly ever hears anything at all about it anymore except in areas of Catholic dominance from a Baptist minority as we find in far South Texas. Baptist leaders such as Richard Land today advocate much more church-state entanglement than the Catholics of Kennedy's day did in their wildest dreams.
A few that come to mindWe are to talk to each other with regard and dignity when we have a dispute or a disagreement within the church and "prove" and "test" all things before each other. I think there is a scripture for that?
Saint Paul judged in Righteousness, so did Peter and Jude and John, ALL of the epistles have something to say to those who chose idols over God.That carnal mind of the old man does not equate to sexual desire -- it consists in holding worldly attitudes contrary to God's commandments -- like the desire to sit in judgment over others, to lie about them, to condemn them, to excuse oneself, to refuse to give compassion and understanding. And many of the self-styled "REAL Christians" of this board are among the greatest of offenders.
Yeah, I know. Some people are just really nasty. I'm a survivor of sexual abuse so there is real cruelty in the world.
As far as a schism in the Anglican church, well that does and doesn't concern me. It doesn't concern me because I am a non-denominational, so I can take no sides nor do I care to have a say in the Anglican churches.
However, you need to understand that non-denominationals are loosely Baptist and that we do stand on the word of God and we believe that the word is our bread that feeds us and helps us grow, and we believe in The Nicene Creed.
So, this is sad if it happens, but you also need to realize that you cannot vote in the USA and you need to let go a little bit and let another country be it's country. America is not the U.K. nor the other way around.
If that is so many who think arrival there is their entitlement will enter with a diminished capacity.
Im sorry to hear that.
Im fairly non demoniminational myself but I do attend an Anglican church on occasion. I dont mind a huge amount if they split, but it does seem at least worth trying to avert it.
Im not sure this can be applied to every non-denom out there, but it does let me see where you stand a bit more personally.
That is true and we are very different countries particularly when in comes to how secular the UK is (something I love as I believe religion has no place in dictating the lives of others and should be an entirely personal thing). However, when I see what I consider injustice going on in the world (and gay people do have it far worse in other countries than in the US of course) I do my best to at the very least speak out against it and occasionally when the oppourtunity presents itself camapign against it too.
As far as the U.K., I have a question.. is it same sex unions which are legal or same sex marriage?
When did Jesus chose to be male?
Just "civil partnerships" which grant exactly the same rights as a "marriage" at present.
When did Jesus chose to be male?
historically Roamns has been used to punish and oppress every identifiable minority in the world: Jews, children, women, blacks, slaves, politicians, divorced people, convicts, religious reformers, and the mentally ill. all with the claim that this particualr group was what wsmeant by "unnatural afflicitons" or more corectly "vile afflictions" Currently the popular target of this discrimination are homosexualsromans 1.26 ....unnatural affection....
..........your choice.....your life.....your future....your peace of mind......
just don't ask society to validate your choice at others expense....
historically Roamns has been used to punish and oppress every identifiable minority in the world: Jews, children, women, blacks, slaves, politicians, divorced people, convicts, religious reformers, and the mentally ill. all with the claim that this particualr group was what wsmeant by "unnatural afflicitons" or more corectly "vile afflictions" Currently the popular target of this discrimination are homosexuals
In the original Greek, the phrase for “vile affliction” used in Romans translates as ecstatic or ecstasy, the original meaning was not in reference to passion or the street drug but rather referred to ecstatic trance states described by anthropologists (Ref: Mircea Eliade). These ecstatic trances were part of pretty much every religion, such states were generally achieved by religious leaders but lay people could engage in them as well, the process was to connect to the spirit world for healing and blessing. The Modern Christian version would be “speaking in tongues” and the meditative state achieved in ritualistic prayer. Originally the condemnation was against any religion but the one Paul was founding, but like so many other non-Christian traditions, ecstasy found their way into Christianity.
As for the reference to “natural.” The society Paul is writing to, both Roman and Greek, considered homosexuality be quite natural. What would have been considered unnatural for Paul’s audience would have been to force oneself to go against one’s own nature, to pretend to be something one is not. Such relationships are referred to as being unnatural by many writers of the era.
Paul specifically used the Greek word paraphysi here, and contrary to popular belief paraphysi does not mean "to go against the law(s) of nature", as those promoting discrimination against homosexuals often claim, but rather it means to engage in action(s) which is uncharacteristic or against the nature of that person or more simply an individual denying his/her true nature. An example of the word paraphysin is used in Romans 11:24, where God acts in an uncharacteristic (paraphysin) way to accept the Gentiles. To claim that paraphysi means unnatural would indicate that God was acting in an unnatural way. Thus the passages correctly reads that it would be unnatural for heterosexuals to live as homosexuals, and for homosexuals to live as heterosexuals. And what Paul is condemning is the unnaturalness of going against one’s nature. In the verse you cite God punishes individuals engaging in ecstatic trance work by forcing them to be something they are not.
The sin here (aside form ecstasy trance work) is pretending to be something you are not.
Romans 1:26-27 is not a condemnation of homosexuality but a condemnation of trying to change or lying about ones sexual orientation. Thus it is a condemnation of ex-gay ministries.
AMEN! It's as if God was spewing a piece of Himself out of His mouth when He breathed Life into man!And just like sexual orientation…no one chooses to be born male or female
Zeena said:Jesus never chose to BE male, He IS male, so He came as a male.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
To be completely accurate, male is Him. Haha.
Wikipedia is not reliable. Do you own research with reliable scholars.
Anyone who has a different opinion is wrong.
Read the Bible - you might actually learn something. There is no conclusive evidence within the Bible that states homosexuality is a sin.
1 Corinthians 5:9-12historically Romans has been used to punish and oppress every identifiable minority in the world: Jews, children, women, blacks, slaves, politicians, divorced people, convicts, religious reformers, and the mentally ill. all with the claim that this particualr group was what wsmeant by "unnatural afflicitons" or more corectly "vile afflictions" Currently the popular target of this discrimination are homosexuals
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