Homosexuality from a christian point of veiw.

[Faith In God]

Actually, if the govt "allows" equal marriage, they are doing it because all people are equal under the law.

No, you are twisting the idea of marriage and how it relates to law.

Marriage, by gov.t definition, is gov.t recognition of matrimony/union. If the government recognizes it as legal, it endorses the idea of homosexual marriage (as homosexuality is not a majority-based orientation).

But, when all is said and done, God sees it as an abomination and hopes fervently that they will repent and turn to Him.

 

[CCGirl]

No, you are twisting the idea of marriage and how it relates to law.

Marriage, by gov.t definition, is gov.t recognition of matrimony/union. If the government recognizes it as legal, it endorses the idea of homosexual marriage (as homosexuality is not a majority-based orientation).

But, when all is said and done, God sees it as an abomination and hopes fervently that they will repent and turn to Him.

Actually, no, by the govt recognizing any marriage, they are recognising all peoples equally. That is what homosexuals want: equality under the law. Period.

The only idea being endorsed is equality! That is how it works in nations that have approved of equal marriage for all!

 

[outlaw]

Did a google search for Christian and came across a so called Christian lesbian site.
I will not post link to this becasue it is an abomination to the Lord.

By a strange coincidnece I think that same thing about the web site the Reverend Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church.

 

[SpaceIsThePlace]

Yes everyone sins but homosexuals don't try to change they just keep on sinning without seeking Jesus Christ.Those homosexuals that call themselves Christians always say that we're all sinners but they forget that when we accept Jesus Christ we put our sinful ways to death and follow Jesus Christ,but homosexuals dont' even attempt to put their sinful ways behind them.God Bless

Romans 6:1"Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?By no means!We died to sin, how can we live in it any longer"

a nice, broad generalization.

 

[prettyrose436]

number 1 option

 

[winsomedove]

hi there guys, i'm doing a peice of ethics coursework and am trying to find christians opinions of homosexuality from a modern media, i.e. the internet. i have chosen to ask on this forum as i feel it will represent a more modern and possibly accepting approach to homosexuality in society today. it would be very helpful for me if you could post your own veiws in this thread.

before posting this i read the forum rules extensivly and it clearly said that i must prohibit discussion of homosexuality to the discussion forum on ethics and morality. similarly it said i must provide evidence as to what this exactly refers to when asking a question im not sure other than perhaps to prove evidence of the graduall change in christians opinions to homosexualty in society, so here it goes as im sure your aware in the biblicle era of Liviticus 18 homosexuality is proclaimed as an "abomination" i am sure that many peoples veiws on this have changed in the centuries as homosexuality has gradually become more socially acceptable, so my question to the readers of this forum is as follows:

what is your personal opinion about the presence/ existence (both ethically and morally) of homosexuals in a modern society.

thanks in advance for letting me know as i'm sure i will find it very helpful as will my ethics class

Tata, Neckarb

Homosexuality is a sin--just like any other sin. I do not believe people are 'born into' homosexuality. This is a set of behaviours that are learned and practiced. No more no less.

I also believe that it's a forgivable sin-- just like ANY sin--and that through true prayer, petition and redemption a person lost in this sin can find deliverance.

I also don't believe we have any right to judge anyone or hate, or dislike,or in anyway prejudice ANYone... homosexuals included.

God bless us all.

 

[Kgreg]

As a Christian man who struggles against same-sex attraction, or in other words, a repentant homosexual who has accepted Jesus as his Savior, I have to say I voted the first choice.

 

[levi501]

As a Christian man who struggles against same-sex attraction, or in other words, a repentant homosexual who has accepted Jesus as his Savior, I have to say I voted the first choice.

So have you forced yourself to take relationships with women? to be intimate with them? or is a life of celibacy the answer?

 

[ChristianCenturion]

So have you forced yourself to take relationships with women? to be intimate with them? or is a life of celibacy the answer?

Loaded question or complex question tactic.

i.e. Have you stopped beating your wife?

 

[spinto]

Homosexuality is a sin--just like any other sin. I do not believe people are 'born into' homosexuality. This is a set of behaviours that are learned and practiced. No more no less.

I also believe that it's a forgivable sin-- just like ANY sin--and that through true prayer, petition and redemption a person lost in this sin can find deliverance.

I also don't believe we have any right to judge anyone or hate, or dislike,or in anyway prejudice ANYone... homosexuals included.

God bless us all.

Well I am homosexual and I did not learn it from anywhere. I have been homosexual as long as I can remember being alive. I do choose to live with my partner in love and commitment. That is my choice. Being gay is not.

I believe homosexuality is a sin. Christianity names it so. That is why I am not Christian. As far as it being immoral. No, I don't think so. Christianity is wrong there.

I believe we have a right to judge everyone around us. That is the only way we orientate ourselves in this life. We are our judgements in many respects. However, I do think it is wrong to oppress someone because you don't agree with them. I also think it is wrong to belittle, hurt, or hold a grudge for someone because they are a way you don't agree with. But judgement... Nothing wrong with that... Everyone has the right to judge how they feel about anything they see in life.

 

[Kgreg]

So have you forced yourself to take relationships with women? to be intimate with them? or is a life of celibacy the answer?

I don't have to force myself to do anything. I find great pleasure in living within God's will. At this point in my life, that means being abstinent. I believe celibacy is a gift in which one does not desire sex, and therefore lives without it. I desire sex, but choose not to be sexually active outside of marriage, and God has not called me to marriage. I conform my behavior according to Scripture.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Your poll doesnt adress everything it need to , to show a christian perspective so i had to choose other .

Can Homosexuals go to heaven?

Being a homosexual as in being attracted sexually to a member of the same sex , is not a sin , acting on it by performing the act of homosexual sex is a sin . Sin is a trangression of Gods law , break one and youve broken them all , which is why we need a savior to begin with . Evidence that its a sin :

Leviticus 20:13 `If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Temptation is not a sin , acting on it , dwelling on it and giving in to it , is . So , can a repentant homosexual who confesses this sin before God be saved? Yes and they inherit heaven like any other repentant sinner who gives their life to Christ.

Does it mean we will never sin again? No , the key is knowing its sin and repenting , turning from it , and having a desire not to , but we are and will remain flesh , and sin remains in the flesh . :

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15. For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
16. If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.
17. But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
18. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19. For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20. Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

Galatians 5:16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
18. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (the only way we can do this is with His Spirit dwelling within us , and His grace having saved us , this is why we need a savior)

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh 4. that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Mark 14:38 "Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.''

Can an unrepentant homosexual who denies their sin before God inherit heaven? The bible says no . :

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29. being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30. backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31. undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32. who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

 

[outlaw]

Your poll doesnt adress everything it need to , to show a christian perspective so i had to choose other .

Can Homosexuals go to heaven?

Being a homosexual as in being attracted sexually to a member of the same sex , is not a sin , acting on it by performing the act of homosexual sex is a sin . Sin is a trangression of Gods law , break one and youve broken them all , which is why we need a savior to begin with . Evidence that its a sin :

Leviticus 20:13 `If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Well since you brought up Leviticus 20:13…I have some long unanswered questions?



Is murdering a homosexual as commanded in Leviticus 20:13 a sin? Does this law negate the “though shall not kill” commandment?

 

[Caylin]

As a Christian man who struggles against same-sex attraction, or in other words, a repentant homosexual who has accepted Jesus as his Savior, I have to say I voted the first choice.

I'm gay. How are you going to deconvert me into straightness?

 

[Angel4Truth]

Well since you brought up Leviticus 20:13…I have some long unanswered questions?



Is murdering a homosexual as commanded in Leviticus 20:13 a sin? Does this law negate the “though shall not kill” commandment?

The actual commandment is Do not murder. Following the law is not murder . Murder is malice of thought usually ground in selfishness and has many applications other than kill . We can murder others with words for example by destroying someones character . Again , born of malice or selfishness .

Anyway , did you read my entire post? Break one of the laws and youve broken them all .

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

Romans 3: 19. Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21. But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22. even the righteousness of God which is through faith in Jesus Christ to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24. being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

 

[outlaw]

I'm gay. How are you going to deconvert me into straightness?

An excellent question.

 

[outlaw]

The actual commandment is Do not murder. Following the law is not murder . Murder is malice of thought usually ground in selfishness and has many applications other than kill .

Violently ending someone’s life because they are different from you is NOT murder?





Interesting.





So it isn’t murder when a parent kills a disobedient child because it is part of “the Law” specifically Leviticus 20:9.

We can murder others with words for example by destroying someones character . Again , born of malice or selfishness .

Are you suggesting that Leviticus 20:13 means that it is good/moral to act in malice and slander homosexuals? But doesn’t that kind of ignore the “though shall not bare false witness” commandment?

Anyway , did you read my entire post? Break one of the laws and youve broken them all .

Well I must have broken them all because last Friday I had a haircut breaking Leviticus 19:27 and then went to an all you could eat seafood buffet and had *gasp* shrimp (breaded and with loads of cocktail sauce) which Leviticus 11:10-12 clearly labels as an abomination.

 

[BillR]

Your poll doesnt adress everything it need to , to show a christian perspective so i had to choose other .

Can Homosexuals go to heaven?

Being a homosexual as in being attracted sexually to a member of the same sex , is not a sin , acting on it by performing the act of homosexual sex is a sin . Sin is a trangression of Gods law , break one and youve broken them all , which is why we need a savior to begin with . Evidence that its a sin :

Leviticus 20:13 `If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Temptation is not a sin , acting on it , dwelling on it and giving in to it , is . So , can a repentant homosexual who confesses this sin before God be saved? Yes and they inherit heaven like any other repentant sinner who gives their life to Christ.

Does it mean we will never sin again? No , the key is knowing its sin and repenting , turning from it , and having a desire not to , but we are and will remain flesh , and sin remains in the flesh . :

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15. For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
16. If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.
17. But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
18. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19. For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20. Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

Galatians 5:16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
18. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (the only way we can do this is with His Spirit dwelling within us , and His grace having saved us , this is why we need a savior)

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh 4. that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Mark 14:38 "Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.''

Can an unrepentant homosexual who denies their sin before God inherit heaven? The bible says no . :

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29. being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30. backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31. undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32. who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

I agree with you but next time can you use another colour besides pink, man its hard on the eyes. LOL

 

[Kgreg]

I'm gay. How are you going to deconvert me into straightness?

It's a four part process that involves me and God:

1) I tell you the truth that homosexual acts are outside of God's will for His creation.

2) The Holy Spirit moves on your heart to accept the truth.

3) Then you either accept it or reject it.

4) If you choose to accept, this is conversion to Christianity and you become a follower of Jesus, and strive to live your life within the instruction provided by our Father in His Word, which is quite clear on the matter of homosexual sex, inspite of what some want you, and me, to believe. With this conversion, is the promise of eternal life in the presence of God.

The OP poll doesn't say anything about conversion to heterosexuality. It happens to some, and not to others. For some it happens immediately, for others later, and for some never. If it is God's will that I remain single and abstinent for the rest of my life and serve Him as a single man, then so be it. I'm His. He's mine. There's no going back for this brother!

I'm not out to deconvert you, Dracon. Our relationship with God is not about "deconverting", "curing homosexuality" or any of those things, really. It's about the truth about God, Jesus and humanity's relationship to Him. I just want you to know the truth.

 

[Caylin]

It's a four part process that involves me and God:

1) I tell you the truth that homosexual acts are outside of God's will for His creation.

2) The Holy Spirit moves on your heart to accept the truth.

3) Then you either accept it or reject it.

4) If you choose to accept, this is conversion to Christianity and you become a follower of Jesus, and strive to live your life within the instruction provided by our Father in His Word, which is quite clear on the matter of homosexual sex, inspite of what some want you, and me, to believe. With this conversion, is the promise of eternal life in the presence of God.

The OP poll doesn't say anything about conversion to heterosexuality. It happens to some, and not to others. For some it happens immediately, for others later, and for some never. If it is God's will that I remain single and abstinent for the rest of my life and serve Him as a single man, then so be it. I'm His. He's mine. There's no going back for this brother!

I'm not out to deconvert you, Dracon. Our relationship with God is not about "deconverting", "curing homosexuality" or any of those things, really. It's about the truth about God, Jesus and humanity's relationship to Him. I just want you to know the truth.

Been there, done that, was insanly suicidal. I'm much happier as an atheist and I don't even wanna die.