Homosexuality from a christian point of veiw.

[wblastyn]

I'm not pretending you didn't say anything else. I'm talking specifically about the feeling that made you say, "Yuk!" I'm trying to make a specific point here, which is that it seems the people who want to discriminate against homosexuals quite often think the orientation is "Yuk!" I do not think this is a coincidence. I am pointing out that maybe you should think about whether it's really evil, or if it's just "Yuk!"

The "yuk" response seems so juvenile. It's akin to a child finding out that babies are made via sex (and therefore, their parents had sex) and thinking sex is yuky, as well as kissing the opposite sex! After a while you begin to accept heterosexual sex as normal and not yuky because society accepts it as normal and it's necessary for our species' survival, also it's very pleasurable (it you're hetero). It's as if they are partially stuck in the childhood period of sex being yuky in regards to homosexual sex.

Also, if they didn't think homosexual sex would be unpleasurable to them, I would question their sexuality.

 

[Montalban]

The "yuk" response seems so juvenile

Go read the posts

Also, if they didn't think homosexual sex would be unpleasurable to them, I would question their sexuality.

I believe that...
Shooting up is pleasurable.

Bestiality is pleasurable.

If 'pleasure' is your dertminant on what is good or bad, then God help society.

 

[wblastyn]

I believe that...
Shooting up is pleasurable.

Bestiality is pleasurable.

If 'pleasure' is your dertminant on what is good or bad, then God help society.

Where did I say pleasure determined whether someone was good or bad? I said the fact that someone finds homosexual sex undesirable (or unpleasurable, whatever) is because they are straight. Nothing to do with it being right or wrong. You're using faulty logic (hmmm I'm beginning to see a pattern here...)

Btw, bestiality is wrong because you are abusing animals, they cannot consent, you are raping them.

Pedophilia is wrong because you are abusing the child, plus the child is not old enough to consent and it causes psychological trauma.

Yes, I'm sure the rapist gets pleasure from it, but that does not make it right.

 

[Tangnefedd]

People have to be really sad if they equate homosexuality to paedophilia and bestiality!

 

[Followers4christ]

Actually homophobia is not a reference to an anxiety disorder as in claustrophobia but rather it is akin to racism and sexism in that it is prejudice against homosexual people and homosexuality
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John 7:1




Right next to where God condemns eating shellfish (Lev 11:10-12) and cutting ones hair (lev 19:27)







And this is why there really are 4 legged insects Lev 11:20-21

And that rabbits really do chew their cud Deu 14:7

And the earth is really flat Prov 8:26-27, Job 26:10

And Ahaziah really was 2 years older than his father Jehoram 2 Chr 21:20, 2 Chr 22:1-2

And Jesus was right that no one except him has ascended into heaven John 3:13 but then that makes 2 Kings 2:11 wrong…



Because God is never wrong

John 7:1 never says God feared anything.It says that Jesus stayed away purposely.Was it out of fear? of coures not because God does not fear anything.I believe God has his reasons and you should never try and figure God out because you never will niether will i.God is alot smarter then you or i, will ever be.

Wrong The bible condemns it in Romans 1:26.remember that Leviticus was written for the jews to follow not us.But Leviticus 18:22 shows that even the Old testament did not support Homosexuality.Even though we are not bound to the Leviticus laws that were made for the jews.The old testament is very important just like Genesis is a very important book for all ages.It tells us about are orgins,how the earth,All life,and the heavens were made.It also tells us how sin was brought in to the world as well as the orgins of the Holy land Israel.The old testament also tells us about people who lived in faith Like job who was tested for his faith.As well as Noah,Abram,Abel,Lot,Samson the old testament is very important for people to read.

And this is why there really are 4 legged insects Lev 11:20-21...Back in those days yes there was 4 legged insects.

And that rabbits really do chew their cud Deu 14:7"In those times yes they did

And the earth is really flat Prov 8:26-27, Job 26:10.Im sorry but the scriptures you gave never said the world was flat.

And Ahaziah really was 2 years older than his father Jehoram 2 Chr 21:20, 2 Chr 22:1-2...Also the bible never says anything about Ahaziah being two years older than his father Jehoram.All is said is that Jehoram was 32 years old when he was king then he died and Ahaziah was 22 years old when he became king."Jehoram was 32 years old when" now notice "When he became king" it never says how old was he when he died or how old was his son at that time.

You have got to remember that there is more then one heaven.Genesis 1:1"In the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth"Notice the word "Heavens"meaning more the one.there are 3 heavens.The first heaven is the earth as stated in Deut. 28:12 -- The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands.".The second heaven is space as stated in Psalm 19:4,6 -- In the heavens he has pitched a tent for the sun... It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other." also Jeremiah 8:2 -- They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of the heavens which they have loved and served."The 3rd heaven is Gods kingdom as stated in 1 Kings 8:27 -- "But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you." and Deut. 10:14 -- To the LORD your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it."Now ask yourself did it say what heaven Elijah went too?No it didn't,so Eligah could be in the second heaven which is in space (i think Eligah is on a planet in space somwhere perserved by God for Eligah.)God Bless

 

[Followers4christ]

It depends what you mean by good and holy?

The most important thing in life is to try to do no harm and hopefully do a bit of good for one's fellow humans, imo.

Good and Holy=Doing what God wants you to do such as repenting for your sins,Put your sinful ways to death,Follow Christ not the world,Have love for one another,Love your enemies,Follow everything written in the bible and Know that Jesus is the only way to Salvation.Living a life to serve Christ leads to=Eternal happiness in Heaven with our Lord Jesus Christ.

World ways,the devils way=REVALATION 21:8 "But the cowardly,the unbelieving,the vile.the murderers,the Sexually Immoral,those who practice magic arts,the idolaters,and all liars there place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfer this is the second death."



You said in your profile that you believe that Christanity is not the only way to God.Being a Christian means to follow Christ and to follow him,not the world.Acts 11:26 tells us about the first followers to be called Christians.Christanity is the only way to God.John 3:16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son,that Whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world,but to save the world through him."Notice "Whoever believes in Him"There is no way to have eternal life except through Jesus Christ.If you Believe In Jesus ,that he died and rose for your sins and your willing to leave your sinful life behind you to follow Jesus.Then Your a Christian.God Bless

 

[wblastyn]

Good and Holy=Doing what God wants you to do such as repenting for your sins,Put your sinful ways to death,Follow Christ not the world,Have love for one another,Love your enemies,Follow everything written in the bible and Know that Jesus is the only way to Salvation.Living a life to serve Christ leads to=Eternal happiness in Heaven with our Lord Jesus Christ.

World ways,the devils way=REVALATION 21:8 "But the cowardly,the unbelieving,the vile.the murderers,the Sexually Immoral,those who practice magic arts,the idolaters,and all liars there place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfer this is the second death."

"there were 4 legged insects in those days"

...

 

[Montalban]

Where did I say pleasure determined whether someone was good or bad? I said the fact that someone finds homosexual sex undesirable (or unpleasurable, whatever) is because they are straight. Nothing to do with it being right or wrong. You're using faulty logic (hmmm I'm beginning to see a pattern here...)

Yes the pattern is you assuming what you think I find 'pleasurable'.
I do not condemn homosexuality on whether it is pleasurable, or not. But on what the church teaches

Btw, bestiality is wrong because you are abusing animals, they cannot consent, you are raping them.

Do they consent to people eating them?

Pedophilia is wrong because you are abusing the child, plus the child is not old enough to consent and it causes psychological trauma.

Didn't mention it, but thanks for the info.

Yes, I'm sure the rapist gets pleasure from it, but that does not make it right.

So why raise it as an issue?

 

[Montalban]

People have to be really sad if they equate homosexuality to paedophilia and bestiality!

Why don't you support bestiality? It doesn't 'harm' anyone (the animal is not a person and so can not give consent/reject it any more than any other sexual aide someone might use, such as a vibrator). And thus we eat animals without worrying about 'consent' just as we use tennis rackets without their consent in playing tennis.

What a man or woman does with an animal in the privacy of their own home is their concern? (is it not? )

Same goes for incest between two consenting adults.

You see, the measure of 'good' or 'bad' is not the same as 'pleasurable' or 'legal', or other subjective measures.

 

[outlaw]

People have to be really sad if they equate homosexuality to paedophilia and bestiality!

 

[Montalban]

Sad that some people want to deceive people by misrepresenting Christian teaching; encouraging Christians to sin.

 

[outlaw]

Wrong The bible condemns it in Romans 1:26.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural (physin) relations for unnatural (para physin) ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural (physin) relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another.

Romans 1:26

In the preceding passage the Greek words physin and paraphysin have been translated to mean natural and unnatural respectively. Contrary to popular belief, the word paraphysin does not mean "to go against the laws of nature", but rather implies action which is uncharacteristic for that person. An example of the word paraphysin is used in Romans 11:24, where God acts in an uncharacteristic (paraphysin) way to accept the Gentiles. When the scripture is understood correctly, it seems to imply that it would be unnatural for heterosexuals to live as homosexuals, and for homosexuals to live as heterosexuals.

I have yet to see anyone trying to use this verse to justify personal prejudice take verse 26 in context with the rest of the passage. The lusts spoken of are the result of godlessness and the refusal of the gospel of God. The godless ones are described as being given over to their passions. This loss of control is key and important to the Greeks and Romans Paul is writing to, and was considered a very bad thing. It is important to realize that the passage is not centered on homosexual relations, no matter how you interpret it.

remember that Leviticus was written for the jews to follow not us.

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matt 5:18

But Leviticus 18:22 shows that even the Old testament did not support Homosexuality.Even though we are not bound to the Leviticus laws that were made for the jews.The old testament is very important just like Genesis is a very important book for all ages.It tells us about are orgins,how the earth,All life,and the heavens were made.It also tells us how sin was brought in to the world as well as the orgins of the Holy land Israel.The old testament also tells us about people who lived in faith Like job who was tested for his faith.As well as Noah,Abram,Abel,Lot,Samson the old testament is very important for people to read.

Again…picking and choosing based on personal whim what laws of the bible to follow and what laws to ignore.

And this is why there really are 4 legged insects Lev 11:20-21...Back in those days yes there was 4 legged insects.

What were they?

What happened to them?

Why do we not have 4 legged insects today?

Why don’t we have any descriptions of these amazing 4 legged insects?

Why don’t we have any samples of these 4 legged insects?

And that rabbits really do chew their cud Deu 14:7"In those times yes they did

So why did they stop?

And the earth is really flat Prov 8:26-27, Job 26:10.Im sorry but the scriptures you gave never said the world was flat.

While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

Proverbs 8:26-27





He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

Job 26:10





flat

And Ahaziah really was 2 years older than his father Jehoram 2 Chr 21:20, 2 Chr 22:1-2...Also the bible never says anything about Ahaziah being two years older than his father Jehoram.All is said is that Jehoram was 32 years old when he was king then he died and Ahaziah was 22 years old when he became king."Jehoram was 32 years old when" now notice "When he became king" it never says how old was he when he died or how old was his son at that time.

Well the bible does say how old Jehoram was when he died

“Thirty and two years old was he when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem eight years, and departed without being desired. Howbeit they buried him in the city of David, but not in the sepulchres of the kings.

2 Chr 21:20,

for anyone not paying attention this means he was 32 when he took the throne and he reigned for 8 years making him 40 when he died.



Ahaziah

And the inhabitants of Jerusalem made Ahaziah his youngest son king in his stead: for the band of men that came with the Arabians to the camp had slain all the eldest. So Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah reigned. Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem.

2 Chr 22:1-2



Again for anyone not paying attention Ahaziah was 42 when his father died and he took the throne making him two years older than his father.

You have got to remember that there is more then one heaven.Genesis 1:1"In the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth"Notice the word "Heavens"meaning more the one.there are 3 heavens.The first heaven is the earth as stated in Deut. 28:12 -- The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands.".The second heaven is space as stated in Psalm 19:4,6 -- In the heavens he has pitched a tent for the sun... It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other." also Jeremiah 8:2 -- They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of the heavens which they have loved and served."The 3rd heaven is Gods kingdom as stated in 1 Kings 8:27 -- "But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you." and Deut. 10:14 -- To the LORD your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it."Now ask yourself did it say what heaven Elijah went too?No it didn't,so Eligah could be in the second heaven which is in space (i think Eligah is on a planet in space somwhere perserved by God for Eligah.)God Bless

It seems once again I am longing for an eye rolling smiley….nothing else here would suffice.

 

[outlaw]

Sad that some people want to deceive people by misrepresenting Christian teaching; encouraging Christians to sin.

Comparing a minority to pedophiles is part of Christian teaching?

 

[Montalban]

Comparing a minority to pedophiles is part of Christian teaching?

Comparing sins of perversion might well be more Christian than denying Christian teaching on sin.

 

[outlaw]

Comparing sins of perversion might well be more Christian than denying Christian teaching on sin.

So you are saying it is ethically all right to compare people with criminals so long as they are a minority?



So is it all right to compare people with dark skin to thieves?



Is it all right to compare Jews with murderers?



Is it all right to compare the handicapped with adulterers?





Or is this comparison limited only to minorities you personally are prejudiced against?

 

[Montalban]

So you are saying it is ethically all right to compare people with criminals so long as they are a minority?[/qupte]
It's ethical to compare one sin with another. It matters not that one is legal and the other isn't.

So is it all right to compare people with dark skin to thieves?

If it were a sin to be dark sinned.

Is it all right to compare Jews with murderers?

If it were a sin to be a Jew

Is it all right to compare the handicapped with adulterers?

If it were a sin to be handicapped.

Or is this comparison limited only to minorities you personally are prejudiced against?[/font][/size][/color]

No, it's comparing people who have sinned, based on what Christianity has always taught with regard to what is sinful.

 

[outlaw]

So you are saying it is ethically all right to compare people with criminals so long as they are a minority?

It's ethical to compare one sin with another. It matters not that one is legal and the other isn't.

If it were a sin to be dark sinned.

If it were a sin to be a Jew

If it were a sin to be handicapped.

No, it's comparing people who have sinned, based on what Christianity has always taught with regard to what is sinful.

for centuries racism has been biblically justified as has anti-Semiticism.


The Christian church's main justification of the concept of slavery is based on Genesis 9:25-27. According to the Bible, the worldwide flood had concluded and there were only 8 humans alive on earth: Noah, his wife, their six sons and daughters in law. Noah's son Ham had seen "the nakedness of his father." So, Noah laid a curse -- not on Ham, who was guilty of some type of indiscretion. The sin was transferred to Noah's grandson Canaan. The curse extended to all of Canaan's descendants: Genesis 9:25-27: "Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers. He also said, 'Blessed be the Lord, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japeth live in the tents of Shem and may Canaan be his slave'. "

Christians traditionally believed that Canaan had settled in Africa. The dark skin of Africans became associated with this "curse of Ham." Thus slavery of Africans became religiously justifiable. "This reading of the Book of Genesis merged easily into a medieval iconographic tradition in which devils were always depicted as black. Later pseudo-scientific theories would be built around African skull shapes, dental structure, and body postures, in an attempt to find an unassailable argument--rooted in whatever the most persuasive contemporary idiom happened to be: law, theology, genealogy, or natural science -- why one part of the human race should live in perpetual indebtedness to another." Anthony Pagden, "The Slave Trade, Review of Hugh Thomas' Story of the Atlantic Slave Trade," The New Republic, 1997-DEC-22





Hate is hate no matter how many bible verses one can use to support or justify it and it is hate no matter if it is based on skin color or religion or sexual orientation.

 

[Tangnefedd]

If people use the Bible to support all sorts of evil, like racsim and the repression of women and homosexuals etc, then parts of the Bbile are evil!

 

[outlaw]

If people use the Bible to support all sorts of evil, like racsim and the repression of women and homosexuals etc, then parts of the Bbile are evil!

Again it is not the bible itself that is the problem…rather it is the selective use of bible verses by some people to justify personal prejudice.

 

[Galilean]

If people use the Bible to support all sorts of evil, like racsim and the repression of women and homosexuals etc, then parts of the Bbile are evil!

heh, well this is coming from someone who proffesses to be a christian, a 'liberal' christian no less. I wasn't aware that you could subscribe to christianity, even liberally, and call parts of the religion (that are not man made or anything) evil.

Again it is not the bible itself that is the problem…rather it is the selective use of bible verses by some people to justify personal prejudice.

It all comes down to what you classify 'personal prejudice' as. Like, beleiving that homosexuality is immoral, comes under 'personal prejudice' for alot of liberals.