Homosexuality from a christian point of veiw.

[Caylin]

Yuk!

Yuk?

 

[Aimee30]

Other--it may be mentioned as wrong in our Bible, but I am unsure if we translated all of it exactly 100% correctly. I don't agree with it completely, but it is best left alone unless the subject shows a willingness to convert from it. You can make mention checking in the Bible for themselves and see what they feel after reading it. If it is still okay with them, then that is their decision. It is up to God to decide who is in and out and not us. If they arrive at your church, treat them the same you would anyone else--do not set a poor example of Jesus's love--is what I would do.

 

[Montalban]

Yuk?

If you're talking about actually sinning behaviour, then yes.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To Ledifni,

You seem to think that I'm saying you can't possibly care about somebody if you don't agree with everything they do. That's not what I'm saying.

Here's what I'm saying. If I were to get married, and a "friend" of mine said, "I'm your good friend, but marriage is evil and so I refuse to attend your wedding," then I would reply, "Then you are not my good friend. Whether you approve or not, this wedding is something I care deeply about. If you were my good friend, you would go to my wedding; but if your opposition to my marriage is more important to you than the love and support I need from you on this day, then at best you are my guardian -- you are not my friend."

And if somebody I considered a "good friend" were about to marry somebody I disapproved of, I would shut my mouth and go to the wedding for my friend's sake -- if I didn't do so, I wouldn't expect him to call me a friend anymore.

You have still misunderstood me, I don’t judge or condemn anyone because they do things, but I do avoid the things they do if they are sin and God hates those things.
It seems you couldn’t forgive and still love someone who didn’t agree with you. and i might add I don’t disapprove of people I disapprove of some things people do, and some of the things I do too. I could still be your good friend if I didn’t come to your wedding it seems but you wouldn’t let me be yours.

 

[brightmorningstar]

I have been called a bigot,prejudiced and homophobic on many occasions but thankfully I do have some very good homosexually orientated friends and we dont judge or condemn each other despite some different opinions

"Garlic Bread? Garlic...bread? Garlic? And bread? Am I hearing you right? Garlic bread? - Peter Kay"

 

[outlaw]

As is love between a man and his sheep, or his car, or towards a child (in a sexual manner)?

You seem to believe that 'love' can not be a negative (in human terms).

If you are going to try to claim that something is “unnatural” then you had better provide evidence to back up that claim.

 

[Brennin]

As is love between a man and his sheep...

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Montalban again.

 

[outlaw]

"its ok with me whatever you wanna do God loves you" seems to be winning.

Yeah...Homophobia is loosing…how sad.

So if I wanted to go postal at my school, that'd be fine? That seems to be another trend. The only difference is that it is frowned upon by society. Is God's standard lower than humans'? Ridiculous.

Lets see…going postal and killing loads of people verses being honest about ones self….boy that really is an apt comparison.

As for changing views, just because society or a majority of people accepts something doesn't make it right.

Just likes societies shifting view on slavery and racism…just because most members of western society now think these things are wrong doesn’t change their biblical support or make them bad things at all.

But then, just because it gets a lot of attention doesn't make it more wrong, either. God condemns lying as well as homosexuality; lust (both homo/heterosexual) as well as murder.

Lets see…one can be honest about being a homosexual and be compared to a liar or one can lie about being a homosexual and actually be a liar.

Either way someone can condemn you and pretend that condemnation is based on something other than personal prejudice….

All sin leads to hell.

Sins like cutting your hair lev 19:27

Sins like eating pork lev 11:7

Sins like engaging in modern agriculture lev 19:19

Sins like shaving lev 19:27

Sins like wearing poly cotton blends lev 19:19

Sins like eating shrimp lev 1:10-12

 

[Brennin]

Homophobia is loosing…how sad.

Are you sad because you are losing ground to the "homophobia" that (according to you) has been loosed?

 

[outlaw]

Are you sad because you are losing ground to the "homophobia" that (according to you) has been loosed?

Like any other good person I am saddened when ANY person supports hate and fear and discrimination and prejudice.

 

[Brennin]

Sins like cutting your hair lev 19:27

Sins like eating pork lev 11:7

Sins like engaging in modern agriculture lev 19:19

Sins like shaving lev 19:27

Sins like wearing poly cotton blends lev 19:19

Sins like eating shrimp lev 1:10-12

Mark 7:18-23

[Jesus] said to them, ‘Then do you also fail to understand? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, since it enters, not the heart but the stomach, and goes out into the sewer?’ (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, ‘It is what comes out of a person that defiles. For it is from within, from the human heart, that evil intentions come: fornication, theft, murder, adultery, avarice, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, folly. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.’

 

[outlaw]

Mark 7:18-23

[Jesus] said to them, ‘Then do you also fail to understand? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, since it enters, not the heart but the stomach, and goes out into the sewer?’ (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, ‘It is what comes out of a person that defiles. For it is from within, from the human heart, that evil intentions come: fornication, theft, murder, adultery, avarice, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, folly. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.’

“I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.” Matt. 18:20







thus he said the law stands

 

[Faith In God]

Yeah...Homophobia is loosing…how sad.

Is saying something is wrong having a phobia of it now? Are you a heterophobe?

Lets see…going postal and killing loads of people verses being honest about ones self….boy that really is an apt comparison.

It's what I would want! Don't judge me!

Just likes societies shifting view on slavery and racism…just because most members of western society now think these things are wrong doesn’t change their biblical support or make them bad things at all.

If this were 200 years ago, we could be talking about slavery or racism right here. Again, just because society thinks something is right doesn't make it so.

Lets see…one can be honest about being a homosexual and be compared to a liar or one can lie about being a homosexual and actually be a liar.

Let's see, I can be honest and say I've stolen, or I can lie and say I haven't...
Either way I've sinned...

Oh, wait! I can quite stealing and repent of my sins!

Sins like cutting your hair lev 19:27

Sins like eating pork lev 11:7

Sins like engaging in modern agriculture lev 19:19

Sins like shaving lev 19:27

Sins like wearing poly cotton blends lev 19:19

Sins like eating shrimp lev 1:10-12

Sin is transgression of the Law. There are two laws, buddy. Study what you are talking about instead of this load of trash that has been fed to you about "inconsistencies". There was the ceremonial laws and the laws used to govern the nation of Israel as a theocracy (written and given by Moses ie Moses' law) versus God's law/ the Ten Commandments (which He would not even entrust to Moses to write: God wrote it Himself)

Surely you can see a difference between speeding and murder. The difference is similar; one violates the laws of the land, the other the Laws of God/morality/conscience (whatever you want to call them) which happen to be enforced by the laws of the land.

 

[Tangnefedd]

If God is homophobic God is WRONG!!!!!

 

[Faith In God]

“I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.” Matt. 18:20
thus he said the law stands

Again, there are two brands of Laws: the Laws of God and Moses' law. God's Law is for all humanity (do you think murder is only wrong in the West??) while Moses' law was ceremonial (pointing to Christ) and societal (for the nation of Israel). Christ was talking about God's Law. Moses' law has been done away with because 1 we are not the nation of Israel (we are Spiritual Israel, but that is a-whole- nother topic) and 2 the ceremonies were shadows of Christ (ie the temple/tent was a symbol for God's sanctuary, Christ was the sacrificial lamb, Christ is the priest, etc) and we have no need of shadows now because we are now in the reality of Christ.

 

[Faith In God]

If God is homophobic God is WRONG!!!!!

Why? For being against homosexuality?

First of all, homophobia is a fear of homosexuality. God has no fears. The only thing He fears is losing souls.

Second of all, what is wrong with declaring something wrong?

"Because it is natural! They were born that way!"

Some would argue against this, but even if it is true, we were all born with a capability to sin. Sin comes naturally. It is natural to lie to save your skin. It is natural to hate when someone has wronged you. It is natural to want something that belongs to someone else. It is natural to take it. That doesn't make it right.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

Again, there are two brands of Laws: the Laws of God and Moses' law. God's Law is for all humanity (do you think murder is only wrong in the West??) while Moses' law was ceremonial (pointing to Christ) and societal (for the nation of Israel). Christ was talking about God's Law. Moses' law has been done away with because 1 we are not the nation of Israel (we are Spiritual Israel, but that is a-whole- nother topic) and 2 the ceremonies were shadows of Christ (ie the temple/tent was a symbol for God's sanctuary, Christ was the sacrificial lamb, Christ is the priest, etc) and we have no need of shadows now because we are now in the reality of Christ.

The Ten Commandement still stand as the Law for Christians to live by. Jesus said in Matthew 5:17:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

However, on Judgement Day, the Lord will judge mankind by the 10 Commandements.

 

[Tangnefedd]

Homosexuality isn't sinful, it isn't wrong it is as normal as being heterosexual imo! I don't care what the Bible says, the Bible was written a long time ago and got a lot of things wrong because the authors knew no better!

 

[Faith In God]

Homosexuality isn't sinful, it isn't wrong it is as normal as being heterosexual imo! I don't care what the Bible says, the Bible was written a long time ago and got a lot of things wrong because the authors knew no better!

Once you start throwing away your Bible, you open yourself up to much spiritual hurt.

But even apart from the Bible (God forbid) on a reasoning level, just because something is natural doesn't make it right.

we were all born with a capability to sin. Sin comes naturally. It is natural to lie to save your skin. It is natural to hate when someone has wronged you. It is natural to want something that belongs to someone else. It is natural to take it. That doesn't make it right.

PS If you're going to believe in the God of the Bible, you have to trust the Bible.

 

[Tangnefedd]

The God of the Bible is a manmade construct!