Homosexuality Deception

[yeshuaslavejeff]

And yet Yeshua recognizes everything.
He never defiled Himself with researching evil.
He is our example to follow.

It is written not to even talk about the depraved defiled abominations they involve themselves in. So it is not necessary. Yeshua never did. Neither do we need to. "rather expose them". In the Light of His Word, Truth. Led by His Spirit, always in total Harmony with all of His Word, led in Peace by Him, full of Joy in Him.

 

[shelley1952]

(BTW, Jesus never mentioned homosexuality.) Are you more righteous than Jesus?

I didnt intend on saying anything on this as it has been discussed several places but one thing that fires me up quickly is someone saying God never mentioned anything in His Word about homosexuals. Thats a blatant lie straight from the pit of hell and for anyone to say different just shows they have never studied scripture. He spoke of it in both the O.T. & N.T.

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman.
It is an abomination."
(Leviticus 18:22)

abomination "to reek with stench") – properly, what emits a foul odor and hence is disgustingly abhorrent (abominable, detestable); (figuratively) moral horror as astench to God (like when people refuse to hear and obey His voice).

"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination.
They shall surely be put to death.
Their blood shall be upon them."
(Leviticus 20:13)

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God"
Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, ...
nor adulterers,nor homosexuals,nor sodomites,
nor thieves, ...will inherit the Kingdom of God.
And such were some of you. (We are all sinners ... 'Repent' means stop and return to God)
But you were washed (by the innocent blood of Jesus which was shed for all of our sins)
But you were sanctified (means "set apart")
But you were justified (justified means "just as if it had never happened ...")
in the Name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."
(1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Here in Romans it goes even further to say even those who APPROVE of those who practice such things are worthy of death !

Stop condemning those whom God loves. (John 3:16)

So, who loves the homosexual more? One who tells them it's okay to continue in a sin the Bible warns will condemn them to an eternity in Hell ... or someone who is willing to endure the anger, ridicule, and hate to warn them and to try to get them into Heaven as a neighbor and as a friend? In Proverbs 27:6 God says, "Faithful are the wounds of a friend ... but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful." Jesus Christ said more about Hell than He did about Heaven ... and the true believing Christian will try to get as many boys, girls, men, and women into the Kingdom of Heaven as possible. If a Christian truly hated the homosexual (or anyone willfully sinning against God's law) they would simply keep silent and let them suffer in the eternal darkness, loneliness, and torment of Hell. Yet, all believing Christians have had to come face-to-face with the fact we are all sinners and desperately need a 'Savior' to save us from our sins and from Hell. Jesus Christ commands us to 'love our enemies' ... and you can't love someone without warning them when they are in great and grave danger.


It is false doctrine in direct opposition to God's Word that teaches God's "love" approves of or accepts homosexuality. The Bible clearly says homosexuality-lesbianism is sin. Jesus said He came to save sinners ... Jesus suffered and died for all sinners. And we are all sinners. God hates sin because He endured the Cross to suffer and die for all our sins ... and because He knows the terrible consequences.



As Paul explains “Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?” (1 Corinthians 6:18-19). Every human body was created to be a temple of the Holy Spirit! Through Christ, the bodies of the elect are cleansed and made inhabitable by Him

 

[pescador]

I didnt intend on saying anything on this as it has been discussed several places but one thing that fires me up quickly is someone saying God never mentioned anything in His Word about homosexuals. Thats a blatant lie straight from the pit of hell and for anyone to say different just shows they have never studied scripture. He spoke of it in both the O.T. & N.T.

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman.
It is an abomination."
(Leviticus 18:22)

abomination "to reek with stench") – properly, what emits a foul odor and hence is disgustingly abhorrent (abominable, detestable); (figuratively) moral horror as astench to God (like when people refuse to hear and obey His voice).

"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination.
They shall surely be put to death.
Their blood shall be upon them."
(Leviticus 20:13)

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God"
Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, ...
nor adulterers,nor homosexuals,nor sodomites,
nor thieves, ...will inherit the Kingdom of God.
And such were some of you. (We are all sinners ... 'Repent' means stop and return to God)
But you were washed (by the innocent blood of Jesus which was shed for all of our sins)
But you were sanctified (means "set apart")
But you were justified (justified means "just as if it had never happened ...")
in the Name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."
(1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Here in Romans it goes even further to say even those who APPROVE of those who practice such things are worthy of death !




So, who loves the homosexual more? One who tells them it's okay to continue in a sin the Bible warns will condemn them to an eternity in Hell ... or someone who is willing to endure the anger, ridicule, and hate to warn them and to try to get them into Heaven as a neighbor and as a friend? In Proverbs 27:6 God says, "Faithful are the wounds of a friend ... but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful." Jesus Christ said more about Hell than He did about Heaven ... and the true believing Christian will try to get as many boys, girls, men, and women into the Kingdom of Heaven as possible. If a Christian truly hated the homosexual (or anyone willfully sinning against God's law) they would simply keep silent and let them suffer in the eternal darkness, loneliness, and torment of Hell. Yet, all believing Christians have had to come face-to-face with the fact we are all sinners and desperately need a 'Savior' to save us from our sins and from Hell. Jesus Christ commands us to 'love our enemies' ... and you can't love someone without warning them when they are in great and grave danger.


It is false doctrine in direct opposition to God's Word that teaches God's "love" approves of or accepts homosexuality. The Bible clearly says homosexuality-lesbianism is sin. Jesus said He came to save sinners ... Jesus suffered and died for all sinners. And we are all sinners. God hates sin because He endured the Cross to suffer and die for all our sins ... and because He knows the terrible consequences.



As Paul explains “Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?” (1 Corinthians 6:18-19). Every human body was created to be a temple of the Holy Spirit! Through Christ, the bodies of the elect are cleansed and made inhabitable by Him

Flying off the handle never got anyone to pay attention. I said that -> Jesus <- never mentioned homosexuality and you go into a rant about my saying that God never mentioned anything in His Word about homosexuals. That is a lie. I'm not going to enter into a discussion with somebody who doesn't read what I said.

You are too hung up on the homosexuality issue to make any sense. Your quotation lifted from Romans is out-of-context; it is Paul's way of showing that all UNSAVED are separated from God. Try reading the rest of that great epistle, especially paying attention to 8:1: "There is therefore NOW NO CONDEMNATION FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS."

The way to bring anyone into the kingdom of God is to love them, not hate them like you do. That's what my Lord says to do and that's what I do Maybe yours says something different. Does yours have Jesus saying "Hate your neighbor"?

Anyway, I'm going to ignore you just as I ignore anyone who is out of control, or possibly mad. Have a nice day -- somewhere else.

 

[Cute Tink]

I do a lot of research, and to prove what I am saying I buy books, that can help me to understand better what I am dealing with. How can the church talk about the consequences of homosexuality, if they don't know the sexual activities gay men and women are involved in.

I have also searched satanic bibles and if I did not do that, I wouldn't have been able to connect atheism to satanism in an in-depth way. I wouldn't be able to even understand how to recognize satanism.

If you do the research, then you know that hetero people didn't need help coming up with the sexual practices that they engage in, and they do engage in all of the activities you proclaim (without sources) that the gay community came up with.

 

[pescador]

I do a lot of research, and to prove what I am saying I buy books, that can help me to understand better what I am dealing with. How can the church talk about the consequences of homosexuality, if they don't know the sexual activities gay men and women are involved in.

I have also searched satanic bibles and if I did not do that, I wouldn't have been able to connect atheism to satanism in an in-depth way. I wouldn't be able to even understand how to recognize satanism.

You say "I do a lot of research, and to prove what I am saying I buy books..." I learned in graduate school that it's important with any hypothesis to try to prove yourself wrong. Nobody who is trying to do serious research buys books to prove themselves right.

There are a whole bunch of ways to find out about people's sexual activities without referring to a single 40-year-old book.

I'm not sure where satanism fits into a thread about homosexuality. Are they connected in your mind?

 

[shelley1952]

and you go into a rant

you have no clue what a rant is either. All those who are saying homosexuality is all ok with the Lord, doesnt know the Lord.

 

[Sammy-San]

Actually, sex between women is safer than sex between a man and a woman. From a medical perspective, I would personally be better off having only gay sex. Yet I've never heard anyone argue that male-on-female sexual activity is inherently immoral because of the relative riskiness of it.

What makes you believe that?

 

[Cearbhall]

What makes you believe that?

Sex where one person inserts their genitals into another person's body (and ends up exchanging bodily fluids) is always going to be more risky. For example, it's newsworthy when a woman catches HIV from another woman. "To date, there have been only six cases of HIV transmission among WSW in which other high risk factors were not readily identified."

 

[FireDragon76]

see, however way you discuss it, you will always resort to making it a personal hate issue so you can feel good about yourself.

my last post was very clear, Jesus expects moral change from a sinner He forgives, which translates to behavior change.

Joh 8:11 She answered, No one, Lord! And Jesus said, I do not condemn you either. Go on your way and from now on sin no more. ​

Always the favorite of the Pharisee, and taken completely out of context. For the Pharisees of the world, the Bible is always a weapon to denigrate and put down other people for not being holy like them. But people who do this sort of thing are guilty of the worst sin of all, and are in no way holy. It is the ancient ancestral sin of wanting to judge good and evil, a violation of the first commandment to have no other gods.

Some moldly 40 year old book is not a good place to go looking for facts on homosexuality.

 

[Geralt]

"And she said, No one, Lord. And Jesus said to her, Neither do I give judgment. Go, and sin no more." Jn 8:11

confession, repentance is all for show without contrition and change.

they cannot argue this truth, so what they do is try to hide their guilt in excuse for wrong interpretation.
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Always the favorite of the Pharisee, and taken completely out of context. For the Pharisees of the world, the Bible is always a weapon to denigrate and put down other people for not being holy like them. But people who do this sort of thing are guilty of the worst sin of all, and are in no way holy. It is the ancient ancestral sin of wanting to judge good and evil, a violation of the first commandment to have no other gods.

Some moldly 40 year old book is not a good place to go looking for facts on homosexuality.

 

[Jim Langston]

What are you trying to prove by all this nonsense? That we shouldn't love our neighbor as ourselves? That, unlike Jesus, we shouldn't hang out with people that are different than ourselves?

Perhaps he is trying to emphasize 1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

 

[IAMANOBODY2015]

this topic is not about me nor your presumption that i hate sinners.

what i hate though, is people assuming christ loves and forgives sinners and thereafter let them have their own way since christ love them anyway. as Paul would have said it, 'shall i continue to sin so that grace may abound?'

or perfectly said by christ :

Joh 8:11 She answered, No one, Lord! And Jesus said, I do not condemn you either. Go on your way and from now on sin no more.

christ doesnt just LOVE them or forgive them, they are telling them not to do those things anymore. they must change their ways.

this is what you are trying to avoid discussing. love without change, love without requirement. lets just talk about the love of God. ridiculous.​

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