Homosexuality and the plank

[SqueezetheShaman]

i dont feel in bondage...
i dont want to change
being gay is ok with me

it's ok with me too.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

you are indeed quite perceptive

hmmm perceptive..first time ive heard her called that..nice change from hateful, huh kitty? anyone notice how her avatar and kitty sig look anythign but sweet??

 

[kdet]

hmmm perceptive..first time ive heard her called that..nice change from hateful, huh kitty? anyone notice how her avatar and kitty sig look anythign but sweet??

You really can't help yourself making those personal comments,can you?

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

hmmm perceptive..first time ive heard her called that..nice change from hateful, huh kitty? anyone notice how her avatar and kitty sig look anythign but sweet??

note how the posts she makes follow suit

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

note how the posts she makes follow suit

don't know what you are talkin about i am as sweet as cotton candy

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

don't know what you are talkin about i am as sweet as cotton candy

LOL

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

to all

 

[Blindfaith]

Reminder:

Keep it nice, and keep inflammatory comments out of this discussion or the thread will be closed.

Also keep in mind that even though this particular forum is open to all members, you are at a Christian website and due respect should be obvious.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

Respect can be lost.

but sorry about the comment on the avatar, that was off topic and innapropriate. wont do it again

 

[feral]

Matthew 5:7 "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother?s eye."

First let me clearly say that I believe homosexuality is sinful and that homosexuals are living in sin. I believe that the verses supporting my belief are practically undeniable. Now let me get to my point.

Homosexuality IS sinful. There is no doubt in my mind. But lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, premarital heterosexual sex, underage drinking, getting drunk, lust, jealousy, disrespect of parents, and coveting are also sins. Why do we get so angry, so worked up, so passionate about homosexuality and yet remain so stagnant regarding these other issues?

Don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying that we should EXCUSE homosexuality any more than we should excuse the other listed sins. But that's just it. We shouldn't put homosexuality on a different plain as, say, some rebellious adolescant who constantly disrespects his parents. The homosexual's sin is no greater than the disrespectful teen's sin. And yet, we are so quick to say how much we dislike those homos and ****. It's hypocrisy, through and through.

Love the sinner, hate the sin. We're all sinners. Don't excuse homosexuality, but don't hate homosexuals because of it. Once you do that, you better start hating yourself too, because I can guaruntee that there is a mighty large plank sitting right behind your cornea.

good post, bulldog. i do think the christian community seems to be focusing much more intently on homosexuality then the multitude of other things they deem sinful.

one thing my father mentioned recently was that the reason people in his church were so up in arms over gay rights is because homosexuality is one of the few "sinful" concepts requiring public attention and acceptance. they claimed that other groups were not pushing to have their lifestyle recognized or approved of. while i agree in part, it's not as though other sins aren't also "pushed" onto society. adultery is prevalent on all forms of media. lust is encouraged and catered too, and lustful people are not often beaten or handed tracts. greed is considered a virtue and gluttony endorsed (especially by mcdonalds). it's interesting to note that despite all the other sins quite prevalent in society, homosexuality is the one people choose to focus on the most, and the one that probably affects the least amount of people. ten percent of the population, by liberal estimate, is gay. maybe less. many more people are gluttonous. many more cheat on their spouses or have pre-marital heterosexual sex.

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

we are a convenient scapegoat for the christian right's problems. The dissolution of the family, etc.

Its easier to say "its all the gays fault" than it is to say, "Its all them lustful people!", this is primarily because the christian right is filled with adulterers and gluttons among normal folks.

To them, a statement demonizing adulterers would isolate a portion of their followers.

 

[bulldog86]

we are a convenient scapegoat for the christian right's problems. The dissolution of the family, etc.

Its easier to say "its all the gays fault" than it is to say, "Its all them lustful people!", this is primarily because the christian right is filled with adulterers and gluttons among normal folks.

To them, a statement demonizing adulterers would isolate a portion of their followers.

Filled, are we? Please, let's drop the statements that are clearly offensive and obviously likely to inflame.

Why are you here if you're just here to **** off Christians? Maybe that's not why you're here, but the statement

you are indeed quite perceptive

seems to say, "Yes, I knew it would be insulting. That's why I said it."


How about we make a deal? I won't demonize gays (though I don't believe I've done that in the past) if you'll stop demonizing the conservative Christian right... Calling our Scriptures a rag, calling us illogical, saying that our faith is the lack of knowledge, saying that we're "filled" with adulterers.... Are you able to accept that there just MIGHT be some genuinely intelligent people among the Christian community? Are you able to believe that maybe some of us chose our faith because it rationally makes sense to us? Will you realize that atheism does not automatically make one an intellectual, and that Christianity does not automatically make one unintelligent?

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

Filled, are we? Please, let's drop the statements that are clearly offensive and obviously likely to inflame.

Why are you here if you're just here to **** off Christians? Maybe that's not why you're here, but the statement



seems to say, "Yes, I knew it would be insulting. That's why I said it."


How about we make a deal? I won't demonize gays (though I don't believe I've done that in the past) if you'll stop demonizing the conservative Christian right... Calling our Scriptures a rag, calling us illogical, saying that our faith is the lack of knowledge, saying that we're "filled" with adulterers.... Are you able to accept that there just MIGHT be some genuinely intelligent people among the Christian community? Are you able to believe that maybe some of us chose our faith because it rationally makes sense to us? Will you realize that atheism does not automatically make one an intellectual, and that Christianity does not automatically make one unintelligent?

indeed you are mistaken...I said among other people, thus i did not intend to say that all people in that grouping are blatant sinners of the adulterous sort.

i removed the reference to a rag and I apologize for it

i know many stupid atheists, and many smart christians, I concede that christianity is not indicative of stupidity...and I apologize for saying so

but the truth is that most of the christian right is heterosexual,and it is easier to demonize a group that includes none of your followers than to risk isolating some of them...

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

thats all I was saying

 

[bulldog86]

Thanks for apologizing, and I strongly agree with your statement regarding demonizing a group that doesn't involve any of your own... It's not really a big deal... after all, I was rather hostile in my response, and wrongly so.

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

as some children say...it is indeed all gravy

 

[inaudiblemelody]

I also think that it is much easier for us to target homosexuals because a lot of them are proud and open about their lifestyles (even though there are many who are not.) People who cheat, who lust, and who molest children aren't really that open about what they are doing, and I don't think that a lot of them would be proud of it. I agree completely that we should hate the sin, and not the sinner. You guys have said some really good stuff in and amongst your arguing. I just thought I'd provide an obvious reason for people to go after homosexuals, even though it isn't right of them to do so in my mind.

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

I feel that pride in my lifestyle would concede its abnormality...which i dont agree with. I simply live.

 

[inaudiblemelody]

I'm not saying that everybody feels about it the same way, but come on, you've never heard somebody say that they're proud to be gay? I'm proud to be straight; it doesn't mean I'm saying heterosexuality is abnormal.

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

of course I have i was just saying what my situation was