Homosexuality and the plank

[bulldog86]

Matthew 5:7 "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother?s eye."

First let me clearly say that I believe homosexuality is sinful and that homosexuals are living in sin. I believe that the verses supporting my belief are practically undeniable. Now let me get to my point.

Homosexuality IS sinful. There is no doubt in my mind. But lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, premarital heterosexual sex, underage drinking, getting drunk, lust, jealousy, disrespect of parents, and coveting are also sins. Why do we get so angry, so worked up, so passionate about homosexuality and yet remain so stagnant regarding these other issues?

Don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying that we should EXCUSE homosexuality any more than we should excuse the other listed sins. But that's just it. We shouldn't put homosexuality on a different plain as, say, some rebellious adolescant who constantly disrespects his parents. The homosexual's sin is no greater than the disrespectful teen's sin. And yet, we are so quick to say how much we dislike those homos and ****. It's hypocrisy, through and through.

Love the sinner, hate the sin. We're all sinners. Don't excuse homosexuality, but don't hate homosexuals because of it. Once you do that, you better start hating yourself too, because I can guaruntee that there is a mighty large plank sitting right behind your cornea.

 

[Durango]

Love the sinner, hate the sin. We're all sinners. Don't excuse homosexuality, but don't hate homosexuals because of it. Once you do that, you better start hating yourself too, because I can guaruntee that there is a mighty large plank sitting right behind your cornea.

Excellent post Bulldog!

 

[Jet Black]

hurrah!

 

[revolutio]

In the words of George Carlin: "Heck, covetting thy neighbors' goods is the basis of our economy."

It does seem to me that sins nowadays are one of those excusable when convenient sorts of things.

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

I am a homosexual. And one of the principle reasons I dont believe in christianity, despite the fact that I dont think it is in any way logical (IMHO), is that people (ostensibly christians) tend to be incredibly hostile when it concerns homosexuals. This is probably because gay people herald some sort of dissolution of the family, (which was really never that strong to begin with) this could tie in with stagnant fears of communism (as that was a principle goal in the equalisation of all people), yet they are not entirely true. We herald a redefinition of the family...Now I have no clue why any person would want children, but some gay people do, and that's their deal...not my issue.

I tend to go along with the reasoning that most antigay activists have had latent homosexual tendencies they haven't come quite to terms with (im freudian at heart).

But jesus was pretty antifamily as i recall (Luke 14:16, Matthew 10:21,34)...and some people even say he was gay.("The Man Jesus Loved: Homoerotic Narratives from the New Testament", Theodore W. Jennings).

Just My Two Cents...

 

[bulldog86]

Glad to see you post here...

Few things to disagree with... Jesus being gay?? Ha... T.W. Jennings is obviously just making yet another attempt to discredit Christ. Rather pathetic, if you ask me... maybe he based it on "The Last Temptation of Jesus"?

Jesus was most certainly not anti-family. He was simply stating the truth. His coming and his message would cause massive splits and civil wars withing families and beliefs...

"Anti-gay activists" is a pretty broad term that many would apply to anyone, including myself, who thinks that homosexuality is wrong.

I happen to also think, though, that many "gay-bashers" and the like are really just overreacting to disguise their sexual insecurity. Seen it happen twice (gay-bashing in one case, overly chauvenistic in another case) personally....

I'm very sorry that you find Christianity illogical. I'm MORE sorry that you have experienced the unfair and hypocritical hostility of many gay-haters that proclaim themselves to be Christians. And, frankly, I'm ****ed at those folks that proclaim themselves to be Christians. Please, try to separate the people from the faith they claim to represent. They are absolutely NOT representative of Christ and what He taught when they attack homosexuals in such a way. Just asking that you don't lump it all together.

Thx.

 

[Lion of Narnia]

My wife and I lived two years in Topeka, KS, home base of the Fred Phelps clan, i.e., the Westboro Baptist Church. I'm proud to say, that while my church ( I was Presbyterian at the time) was picketed by the Phelps family-because our pastor in sermon called Fred Phelps an "ugly, hatefull bigot"

(FYI, Fred Phelps is the leader of a cult centered on the issue of hatred towards homosexuals--whose main tactics include parading about with disgusting picket signs, foul-mouthing anyone they deem an enemy (i.e. anyone who thinks gays & lesbians still have basic human rights), even picketing the funerals of AIDS victims)

Now I am a reconcilled Roman Catholic. I must seriously take into consideration John Paul II's statement regarding opposition to homosexual marriage. However, in no way does this mean (nor do I think the Pope means) that hatred towards homosexuals is to be condoned.

perhaps, in a pure secular realm, a scheme of legal domestic partnership has to be lived with. Certainly, it's better than the system Fred Phelps would like, and IMO, I think his Holiness would agree

my late night thoughts

-Robert

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

I personally feel there is a little bit of credibility to the idea that marriage was indeed a female-male thing.

Taking this bible facts into consideration:
god uses man and husband interchangeably and woman and wife in genesis and throughout the old testament.

PLUS

I dont see why the gay community gets to be so choosy about where we wanna fit in...we want our own channel on tv, we want our own schools in new york...can we be that choosy about what we wanna be a part of?

I think that if we want to separate ourselves so much that we would want a tv channel or a separate school, we probably shouldnt ask for marriage to be applied to us...perhaps a different term...it shouldnt offend us...we ask for everything else to be different.

And BTW, Jennings is a bit weird...I dont think christ's sexuality matters at all...its more his teachings...
-Just My Atheist 2 Cents-

 

[Vylo]

I thought there was a different term, "civil union" was it?

So long as they are given the same legal rights a marriage I see no harm in giving it a different name then marriage, since there is defiently some significant difference.

My beef is that despite the fact homosexual unions are just as cabable as the same conjunctive forces as heterosexual marriages, they are denied a similar legal union.

 

[Inspired]

I personally feel there is a little bit of credibility to the idea that marriage was indeed a female-male thing.

Taking this bible facts into consideration:
god uses man and husband interchangeably and woman and wife in genesis and throughout the old testament.

PLUS

I dont see why the gay community gets to be so choosy about where we wanna fit in...we want our own channel on tv, we want our own schools in new york...can we be that choosy about what we wanna be a part of?

I think that if we want to separate ourselves so much that we would want a tv channel or a separate school, we probably shouldnt ask for marriage to be applied to us...perhaps a different term...it shouldnt offend us...we ask for everything else to be different.

And BTW, Jennings is a bit weird...I dont think christ's sexuality matters at all...its more his teachings...
-Just My Atheist 2 Cents-

Chritians have their own TV channels, Christians have their own schools that gays cannot attend, I don't think it's unreasonable for homosexuals to want them too, except homosexuals didn't exclude anyone from their school.

 

[kdet]

Chritians have their own TV channels, Christians have their own schools that gays cannot attend, I don't think it's unreasonable for homosexuals to want them too, except homosexuals didn't exclude anyone from their school.

I don't beleive it says straight kids but rather "questioning"
And can one possibly compare Christians having tv stations to homosexuals wanting to revel in their perverted lifestyles?

 

[Inspired]

I don't beleive it says straight kids but rather "questioning"
And can one possibly compare Christians having tv stations to homosexuals wanting to revel in their perverted lifestyles?

The school is open to all kids

Billy Graham wasn't a pervert?

 

[kdet]

The school is open to all kids

Billy Graham wasn't a pervert?

Are you saying he was??? Surely you aren't slandering Mr Graham's good name on a message board?

 

[Inspired]

Are you saying he was??? Surely you aren't slandering Mr Graham's good name on a message board?

He did that himself we he slept with that prostitute, and cheated on his wife.

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

perverted? personally...I dont think I am perverted...Then again, I dont believe in fantasy either...

"Sodom and Gomorrah had it coming...you dont walk up to abram and ask to have sex with some angels and not get god mad...thats just common sense."-my quote of the day from myself.

MeoW!

 

[Inspired]

perverted? personally...I dont think I am perverted...Then again, I dont believe in fantasy either...

"Sodom and Gomorrah had it coming...you dont walk up to abram and ask to have sex with some angels and not get god mad...thats just common sense."-my quote of the day from myself.

MeoW!

Being a homosexual doesn't make you a pervert, it just means people who don't know any better call you one.

 

[kdet]

He did that himself we he slept with that prostitute, and cheated on his wife.

I think you are mixing up your pastors...better check your FACTS.

 

[KatebTheChaotic]

I dont think homosexuality is a sin worth going to hell for...but the people in TOPEKA do...WBC and such...and any person who sins in their quest to rid the world of homosexuality is in my book a bloody hypocrite...

 

[Inspired]

http://members.fortunecity.com/omegatimes/falsechrist-persecution4.htm

This is the one before he admitted sleeping with her

In 1952, in Paris, Billy Graham and another evangelist
had dinner with two prostitutes and each one took one of them home. Billy
Graham had a wife and children at home, so the whole affair was totally
improper for an evangelist even if Billy Graham didn’t have sex with the
woman. He told his friend only that the prostitute had taken off her clothes
and he’d gotten scared and come back to their hotel room.

 

[kdet]

Being a homosexual doesn't make you a pervert, it just means people who don't know any better call you one.

Out of Bondage: Helping Homosexuals Who Want to Change

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