Homosexuality and Promiscuity.

[Vene]

And studies seem to support this

Prior to the AIDS epidemic, a 1978 study found that 75 percent of white, gay males claimed to have had more than 100 lifetime male sex partners: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250-499; 15 percent claimed 500- 999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners. Levels of promiscuity subsequently declined, but some observers are concerned that promiscuity is again approaching the levels of the 1970s. The medical consequence of this promiscuity is that gays have a greatly increased likelihood of contracting HIV/AIDS, syphilis and other STDs.​

Similar extremes of promiscuity have not been documented among lesbians. However, an Australian study found that 93 percent of lesbians reported having had sex with men, and lesbians were 4.5 times more likely than heterosexual women to have had more than 50 lifetime male sex partners.​

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It would appear gay promiscuity may be a consequence of two high libidos getting together as opposed to a high libido (male) being kept in check by lower libido (female).

*gasp*
*shock*
Men are horny?! I don't believe it! It's only been hardwired into our brains by millions of years of evolution.

 

[BigBadWlf]

And studies seem to support this

Oh please don’t tell me your think that “the Health Risks of Gay Sex” by Diggs is scientific or honest…

This essay has been shown to contain hundreds of misrepresentations, fabrications and outright lies.

Prior to the AIDS epidemic, a 1978 study found that 75 percent of white, gay males claimed to have had more than 100 lifetime male sex partners: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250-499; 15 percent claimed 500- 999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners. Levels of promiscuity subsequently declined, but some observers are concerned that promiscuity is again approaching the levels of the 1970s. The medical consequence of this promiscuity is that gays have a greatly increased likelihood of contracting HIV/AIDS, syphilis and other STDs.

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The Bell and Weinberg study is often misused to create the alleged promiscuity of the homosexual community. The Bell/Weinberg study was an important study, is well accepted and for what it was. However, the authors themselves disagree with the claims made by Diggs and others from the religious right and are not happy about how these people are misusing ti to further their own political ends. Bell and Weisnberg indicate that the study is absolutely not generalizeable to the population of homosexuals at large and cannot serve as a comparative to heterosexual sexual behavior

The reasons Bell & Weinberg themselves state that their study and findings are not gerneralizable:
1) The sampling of the homosexuals in the study was not random.
The samples were taken from the following places: singles bars (22%), gay baths (9%), public places (=guys hanging out in parks to find sex partners; 6%), private bars (=sex clubs; 5%), personal contacts (people that the bar people, public place people, bath house people, etc, knew personally and referred; 23%), public advertising + organizations + mailing lists (29%).

2) Lack of a control group
They included no heterosexual data. Weinberg notes in an interview with Mark Yarhouse that… “It is possible that the heterosexual statistics [on promiscuity] were equally high, and could have shown that the data does not represent promiscuity specifically among gays, but of the sexually active single person in San Francisco in the 1970's.”

While Bell and Weinberg did a survey of heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, they didn't include the heterosexual data. For example, while they claim that one homosexual respondent claims to have had sex with over 10,000 people, and a large percentage of their sample claim to have had sex with over 500 people, there is no correlative data on the heterosexual sample. For all the reader knows, the heterosexual sample may have had a greater number of sexual partners than the homosexual sample. Without this control group, we cannot generalize their sample to the population at large, because we do not know that their population represents national norms since we have no heterosexual control group.



3) used Kinsey 2-6 for their inclusion of homosexual population.
Their sample does not represent only homosexual persons, but also includes bisexual persons.

Having presented the Bell and Weinberg study, Diggs fail to explore alternative evidence. A comparison of two population studies of rates of sexual behavior indicates that homosexual and heterosexual rates are quite similar, if not reversed from the stereotype.

When compared side to side it is found heterosexuals are slightly more promiscuous than homosexuals. An early study found heterosexuals has a mean number of 7.3 sexual partners per lifetime and homosexuals had a mean of 4.4 sexual partners per lifetime.
Fay, R. Prevalence and patterns of same-gender sexual contact among men. Science 1989 (243): 338-348. a later study confirmed those numbers finding heterosexuals has 7.8 sexual partners per lifetime and homosexuals had a mean of 4.2 sexual partners per lifetime. Billy, JO. The sexual behavior of men in the United States. Family Planning Perspectives 1993 (25): 52-60

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Similar extremes of promiscuity have not been documented among lesbians. However, an Australian study found that 93 percent of lesbians reported having had sex with men, and lesbians were 4.5 times more likely than heterosexual women to have had more than 50 lifetime male sex partners.​

source​

It would appear gay promiscuity may be a consequence of two high libidos getting together as opposed to a high libido (male) being kept in check by lower libido (female).

Here Diggs misrepresents a study conducted at a mobile inner city STD clinic that served prostitutes. The study of individuals attending an STD clinic is hardly representative and cannot be generalized to the general population, much less a study of prostitutes. In fact the only reason to mis-use a study like this is to present a false impression of lesbians in general.
Only 9% of the clinics women self identified as lesbians. Of these eighty percent of the report a history of five or fewer female partners. The heterosexual women served by this clinic reported the same if not higher numbers of sexual partners, yet one would not attempt to conclude that the average heterosexual woman had an excess of 500 hundred sexual lifetime partners based on the repots of prostitutes.

Having worked with the homeless youth population I know from personal experience that a huge percentage of them are GLBT youth. Many have been kicked out of their homes for being gay or ran away because of harassment at home or school. Like many homeless youth, GLBT youth, including lesbians, often use prostitution to get money, a place to sleep, food, etc.

 

[Domenico]

Yes, i probably should have said which straight man doesn't enjoy lesbian porn... i would imagine most homophobes are made up of straight (or severely in the closet) men

Im a straight man and Im not particularly keen on lesbian porn. In fact I would probably rather see two men kissing than two women. I would much rather the women kissed me!

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

I actually think this goes back to the discrimination. They have issues meeting other men (or at least used to) and having to hide meant not being able to exercise as much judgement in order to... cough... get some. KWIM?

Exactly.

Though I do think the fact that gay men are men is a significant factor, I think this is even more important. It's very difficult to change a whole culture, and back in the day giving your name to someone you slept with meant you could be thrown in gaol if that person was caught by the police. It's not hard to see how that translates into current promiscuity even 50 years on.

Decades after the Civil Rights movement, more black people than white people are still poor, criminals, drug addicts/dealers and/or promiscuous. Yet I don't see many people arguing that this is an inevitable part of being black. Given that, I can't for the life of me understand why some people find it so hard to extend the same attitude to the gay community.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not saying that the people themselves have no responsibility whatsoever. In fact I'd generally consider myself the most homophobic gay person you'll ever know. I loathe most of the attitudes that pervade our community. But at the end of the day human beings need love and intimacy, and they will seek it however they can. If society at large forces you into any particular way of getting that, then you must follow it.

 

[Washington]

Oh please don’t tell me your think that “the Health Risks of Gay Sex” by Diggs is scientific or honest…

This essay has been shown to contain hundreds of misrepresentations, fabrications and outright lies.


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Many have been kicked out of their homes for being gay or ran away because of harassment at home or school. Like many homeless youth, GLBT youth, including lesbians, often use prostitution to get money, a place to sleep, food, etc.

Whether Diggs is credible or not---I'm not familiar with his work---the only parts I accepted were the statistics he cited, which I assumed came from reputable outside sources.

"Prior to the AIDS epidemic, a 1978 study found that 75 percent of white, gay males claimed to have had more than 100 lifetime male sex partners: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250-499; 15 percent claimed 500- 999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners. "​

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Similar extremes of promiscuity have not been documented among lesbians.​

As with so many issues that require a good familiarity with the subject rather than a brief survey of its conclusions, we sometimes end up making less than appropriate assumptions about the validity of its claims. So, lacking evidence to the contrary, I'll consider your comments plausable.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Whether Diggs is credible or not---I'm not familiar with his work---the only parts I accepted were the statistics he cited, which I assumed came from reputable outside sources.

"Prior to the AIDS epidemic, a 1978 study found that 75 percent of white, gay males claimed to have had more than 100 lifetime male sex partners: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250-499; 15 percent claimed 500- 999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners. "​

and

Similar extremes of promiscuity have not been documented among lesbians.​

As with so many issues that require a good familiarity with the subject rather than a brief survey of its conclusions, we sometimes end up making less than appropriate assumptions about the validity of its claims. So, lacking evidence to the contrary, I'll consider your comments plausable.

The fact that the Diggs essay was found on a religious site should have been a significant clue that what was being presented was honest or accurate. I am sure that statement will annoy people but I have yet to find any Christian site talking about homosexuality that did not blatantly lie about homosexuals.

 

[Maren]

The fact that the Diggs essay was found on a religious site should have been a significant clue that what was being presented was honest or accurate. I am sure that statement will annoy people but I have yet to find any Christian site talking about homosexuality that did not blatantly lie about homosexuals.

This one seems to be pretty honest, especially since they started as an ex-gay organization.

While recognising the social pressure to become ‘normal’ (i.e. heterosexual), fifteen years experience has revealed that God’s primary concern is not to change the sexual orientation of his gay and lesbian disciples, but to help them find wholeness in Christ-becoming secure, assured of his love and acceptance, set apart to follow Jesus faithfully and responsible in building relationships with one another.

 

[Maxwell511]

I'm just wondering about what the anti-homosexual crowd thinks about the assertion that gay men are as a whole, more promiscuous not because they are gay men but because they are gay men. Straight men would, be they can't, because straight women wont. It's not that being gay makes you more promiscuous, but rather being gay gives you access to partners with similar libidos and as such lack the external check on their sex drives that straight men have in straight women. If this was the case, then being Gay doesn't make you more promiscuous, being a man does, and it's completely natural.

Interesting.

I have heard somewhere though that women do have sex drives. Apparently they can have organism aswell.

 

[BigBadWlf]

This one seems to be pretty honest, especially since they started as an ex-gay organization.

um...

 

[Verv]

I'm just wondering about what the anti-homosexual crowd thinks about the assertion that gay men are as a whole, more promiscuous not because they are gay men but because they are gay men. Straight men would, be they can't, because straight women wont. It's not that being gay makes you more promiscuous, but rather being gay gives you access to partners with similar libidos and as such lack the external check on their sex drives that straight men have in straight women. If this was the case, then being Gay doesn't make you more promiscuous, being a man does, and it's completely natural.

Well, there have been a lot of studies that show gay men have much higher amounts of sex partners and even note that most homosexual relationships are not even monogamous. The studies are quite numerous.


On the other hand, a lot of studies have also been done trying to prove the opposite. They have reached differing conclusions.

At the end of the day, it is going to be a moot point for me. I have a very dear friend that came out of the closet last summer and is in a monogamous relationship. He is even going through with a marriage ceremony. I do not think he is promiscuous by any means, but very loyal.

Promiscuity I guess applies to both homosexuals and heterosexuals, and regardless of whether or not there is a lot of promiscuity amongst homosexuals, it does not apply to individual homosexuals so it can never be taken into account when appraising a homosexual person.

There is a higher likelihood that they have certain characteristics we perceive as negative, but wouldn't a lot of people also assert that homosexuals tend to be more merciful and friendly and open minded due to persecution they have received? In my experience, many of the homosxuals that I have met have been very open and friendly people. Of course, this is also a stereotype, but a good one.

You now, at the end of the day, we are all people who commit sins and we should ask Christ for forgiveness. Homosexuality falls into the category of a sexual sin, and they need forgiveness just as I need forgiveness.

It is up to each individual to forge a relationship with God.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

Anti-Gay? I guess everyone here would label me that, simply because I don't like it. I don't discriminate against people, simply for them being gay. However, I'll still get the anti-gay rhetoric.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Men dont have higher sexual appetites than women.

 

[cantata]

Men dont have higher sexual appetites than women.

No, I agree with you.

Socially, though, their sexual appetites are more acceptable and I think most men experience less conflict because of that.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Men dont have higher sexual appetites than women.

I agree, but I think they generally have different sexual appetites than women. Most men are more keen to have sex on one or a few occasions with many different partners, while most women are more keen to have sex many times with one or a few partners.

I think this is probably partly a biological fact resulting from our evolution and partly a socially enforced attitude.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Men dont have higher sexual appetites than women.

No. However, women tend to be choosier about their partners and having casual, or "no strings" sex... women get left holding the baby, men get to move onto the next challenge... homosexuals break this paradigm, however the socio-cultural and instinctive motivations for the behaviour run very deep

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

The problem is trying to explain sexual paradigms inside our normative hetero-constructs. People are horny, period.

 

[Maren]

The fact that the Diggs essay was found on a religious site should have been a significant clue that what was being presented was honest or accurate. I am sure that statement will annoy people but I have yet to find any Christian site talking about homosexuality that did not blatantly lie about homosexuals.

This one seems to be pretty honest, especially since they started as an ex-gay organization.

um...

You said you hadn't found a Christian site that doesn't lie. The one I linked, despite the fact they started as an ex-gay group now says that they have found it is not God's will for homosexuals to change. They now support Christian fellowship to gays that includes gay marriage. I find it refreshing that at least one Christian group is honest enough to admit that reparative therapy does not work and that gay couples are equally able to show the love of God through their relationships as heterosexual couples.

 

[Meshavrischika]

*gasp*
*shock*
Men are horny?! I don't believe it! It's only been hardwired into our brains by millions of years of evolution.

yeah. that was my thought.

show me a study where there is a disparity between the sexual drives of homosexual and heterosexual men, and I'll take more notice (notice I said drive, not acts... it's harder to get some when the people you're interested in aren't as interested)

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

I find these discussions quite depressing. On behalf of those of us seriously lowering the statistics for homosexual promiscuity, I'd like to ask where these men are and why we haven't met them.

 

[Meshavrischika]

I find these discussions quite depressing. On behalf of those of us seriously lowering the statistics for homosexual promiscuity, I'd like to ask where these men are and why we haven't met them.

good point. it's easy to speak of "them" when "them" isnt' here to contribute to the conversation (if "them" really exists)