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no mate, it's a faith.Sorry but "the tolerance movement" is no different than the world. And yes fundamentalism = Christianity, without it all Christianity is a tradition.
You must have faith in the right things. Faith in the trinue God which is represented in the scriptures. Without them you cannot justify the faith in the first place.no mate, it's a faith.
let's just say we have two different religions ok? it's just a matter of names.
with Christianity i mean the belief and faith in Jesus as the son of God, you mean fundamentalism...fine. let's just call them X and Y for clarity's sake.
He is talking to Timothy in that verse, nice one. I told you already, take a hermanutics course. I can suggest several online courses which will help a lot in your biblical understanding.
Haven't you wondered why they say it?Ditto, I really hated it when some whiner would post that people like me are the reason why they are not Christian, and they reason why they are going to hell, and I don't care about their souls.
No, by my logic you must see what verse addresses every believer and what verse address a specific individual. That's why any hs graduate knows that one must read every text in context. Now that we are talking about logic, take a logic course as well...man you need to take a lot of courses.Alright. By that logic, Paul was ONLY telling that single church they can't be gay, seeing as all his writings are letters. Meaning homosexuality is completely okay!
Thank you for agreeing with us!
Haven't you wondered why they say it?
No, by my logic you must see what verse addresses every believer and what verse address a specific individual. That's why any hs graduate knows that one must read every text in context.
Thank you for proving my right again.
Sounds to me like some serious hypocrisy. That particular verse is addressed to all youth, not just Timothy, as were most of Paul's letters. Sounds like YOU'RE just picking and choosing in an attempt to use age as an excuse to put me down.
Actually, I'm almost positive of that. Since I saw a gal use that verse too DEFEND you. I didn't see you crying about how it only applied to Timothy then.
1:1 From Paul, 1 an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior 2 and of Christ Jesus our hope, 1:2 to Timothy, my genuine child in the faith. Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord!
1:3 As I urged you when I was leaving for Macedonia, stay on in Ephesus 3 to instruct 4 certain people not to spread false teachings, 5 1:4 nor to occupy themselves with myths and interminable genealogies. 6 Such things promote useless speculations rather than God’s redemptive plan 7 that operates by faith. 1:5 But the aim of our instruction 8 is love that comes from a pure heart, a good conscience, and a sincere faith. 9 1:6 Some have strayed from these and turned away to empty discussion. 1:7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or the things they insist on so confidently.
1:18 I put this charge 25 before you, Timothy my child, in keeping with the prophecies once spoken about you, 26 in order that with such encouragement 27 you may fight the good fight. 1:19 To do this 28 you must hold firmly to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck in regard to the faith. 1:20 Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I handed over to Satan 29 to be taught not to blaspheme.
5:1 Do not address an older man harshly 1 but appeal to him as a father. Speak to younger men as brothers, 2 5:2 older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters – with complete purity.
1:8 But we know that the law is good if someone uses it legitimately, 1:9 realizing that law 11 is not intended for a righteous person, but for lawless and rebellious people, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 1:10 sexually immoral people, practicing homosexuals, 12 kidnappers, liars, perjurers – in fact, for any who live contrary to sound teaching. 1:11 This 13 accords with the glorious gospel of the blessed God 14 that was entrusted to me
Read the whole Book in context. This book is written by Paul to address Timothy in how to handle different Church issues. You can see that in the beginning of the book when Paul says in the first book
Salutation
You can see through the book, how paul instructs timothy to conduct himself in his ministry.
Of course all of this principles also apply to the general crowd since the gosple comamnds respect. But paul wouldn't have put any young idiot in charge, especially one that practices sin.
Again take a hermanutics course, one must realize that some statements trancedent truths while others address individuals.So was the letter in Romans. It was written to the Christians in Rome, not neccesarily all Christians. And you realize that when you read it in context.
I also notice you never pointed out the context of that ONE verse. Probably because it didn't agree with you eh? Also I can't help but notice that personal attack. You're getting sloppy. Admit for once that you're just hating. First for homosexuality, and now you're saying I'm an idiot or that being young makes me default for idiot unless I'm chosen by some great apostle?
In case you haven't noticed, you're not that much older than I am. You haven't made it past the bar that lets you decide seniority over me since you can't be my father: only an older brother maybe.
This doesn't make sense... Tolerance movement is about accepting people even though they are different than you. And the world is our planet and everything on it...Sorry but "the tolerance movement" is no different than the world.
Fundamentalism is one of the many forms of Christianity.And yes fundamentalism = Christianity, without it all Christianity is a tradition.
Again take a hermanutics course, one must realize that some statements trancedent truths while others address individuals.
And I know I'm no much older than you, you just need to take courses so you know what the heck you are talking about. Whether you're an idiot or not is not up to my to decide. Just support your statements with logic and depending on the budern of proof with evidence.
with the right things being what you believe in?You must have faith in the right things. Faith in the trinue God which is represented in the scriptures. Without them you cannot justify the faith in the first place.
This doesn't make sense... Tolerance movement is about accepting people even though they are different than you. And the world is our planet and everything on it...
neither are some of the 'adults'.Yes, they aren't trained or mature enough to handle these though issues (unless in special cases).
lol. the only rational arguement blames liberals for something or other.newguy said:I strongly disagree, especially with the lack of rational arguments
regardless of the rules, its still disingenuous.barfriend said:No, because that does not break the rules. Lying about your age and denomination are against forum rules and the agreement with CF.
you're 'attacked' by both the gay and straight community here, and deservedly so.For the most point, I no longer even post on a thread that is more than 30 posts long because of the degradent nature of the personal attacks from the homosexual community here.
and gods truth is supposed to be conveyed with self righteousness, pride, and arrogance?newguy said:But that's beside the point that this isn't about debating but about God's truth.
lol. not any more so than considering you a christian.Gay Christian is an oxymoron, that's like saying a killer Christian.
funny then to consider all the different manifestations of fundamentalism over the years. yet yours is 'the best'!!And yes fundamentalism = Christianity, without it all Christianity is a tradition.
I am becoming more and more alarmed about the number of minors posting on sexual inuendo and controversial debates on this forum.
Some of the personal information and input they offer is really inappropriate.
I am going to add any under 18 who posts here on my ignore list and hope CF decides to look into this and revise the rules.
Now hold on, Just because I'm under 18 doesn't mean I'm not a baptized believer that's apart of the body of Christ. I strongly disagree with age restrictions.
1 Timothy 4:12
Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity.
This is not only a message to the younger, but to the older as well. Let the younger people, like myself, give their input.
If revisions are needed to be made, then let them be that if anyone acts inappropriately in these forums, they can be banned from then.
The Bible talks strongly about the abilities of the youth.
Just because someone is young doesn't make them foolish.
Ecclesiastes 4:13
Better a poor but wise youth than an old but foolish king who no longer knows how to take warning.
If the youth aren't allowed to fight for what they believe now, what will make them want to ever fight.
Paul, an apostle of Christ and a very important man, asked Timothy this:
2 Timothy 2:3:
Suffer hardship with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.
He invited him to be a soldier of Christ even though he was young. To not let younger people participate would be a very, very big mistake.
Maybe some compromise could be arranged before this happened.
I know you'll block me, but consider what you do before you do it. It's not right to judge somone based on gender or race, why age?
Except that you forgot the part about the fact that alot of parents would not appreciate adult strangers speaking to their kids about sex and homosexuality online and that in some jurisdictions you can be charged with a felony for it.Yep...I think you about covered it.
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!"
2KINGS.He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.
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