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Homosexual Acts - Wrong Or Not?

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DISCLAIMER***This is just an answer to the original question. This is the conclusion that I have reached, nothin more or nothing less. I wont respond to anything trying to draw me into a debate over translations or interpretations, I am merely answering the OP with my views.

I will start my answer by referring to 1 Cor 6:9. There has been quite a few debates on here talking about the translation of the word to homosexual. Some have said the word means child molester. So if there is a problem with translation, we should look elsewhere for clarity.

Leviticus 18:22 Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman, that is detestable to the LORD.
Pretty straight-forward eh?

Next I would like to look at the demise of Sodom.
The people on these forums that promote homsexuality say that Sodom was destroyed because of its greed, while the people that condemn homosexuality say that it was because of it, but to say that one of the most detestable cities of all time only had 1 "major" sin is quite dumb i think. In the story of Sodom's destruction 2 angels are sent to the city to see if it really is as wicked as rumored. Now what I find most interesting about the story is that there is only one sin discussed before the angels decide to indeed destroy the city. All the men of the city, yound and old, gathered around the house and yelled for the men to come out so that they could have sex with them, which Lot called a "wicked thing." So the sin that the angels encountered was either homosexuality or the desire to rape. The thing that concludes the answer(for myself atleast) is that Lot offered his 2 virgin daughters to the men, but they refused... they wanted the men. Which as Leviticus tells us is a detestable thing.
 
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Hi everyone. :wave: Are homosexual acts wrong or not? What is your reasoning behind believing the way you do?

Homosexual sex acts, for those of you who are sticklers for precision, is fornication(sexual immorality) and fornication(sexual immorality) is sin according to God.

Thus the acts are wrong...sinful... because GOD says so.
 
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Homosexual sex acts, for those of you who are sticklers for precision, is fornication(sexual immorality) and fornication(sexual immorality) is sin according to God.

Thus the acts are wrong...sinful... because GOD says so.

Just as not all sexual acts are fornication, not all homosexual acts are fornication.

Some homosexual acts are adultery (when one or both partners is married -- but not to each other). Some are incest (when the partners are closely related by blood or marital ties). And some are morally neutral or even blessed (when performed as part of a loving, committed and faithful marriage).

Adultery, incest and fornication are wrong ... sinful ... whether the other partner involved is male or female. But (sexuality in) the marriage bed is undefiled.
 
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Dear ChaliceThunder,
No...according to Zaac's reading of scripture.
not true, I can see the scripture Zaac is reading and its exactly the same in what it says.
Your reading of the scripture doesnt reflect what the scripture says.
You see fornication and sexual immorality are the NT translations for 'porneia' Jesus countenances man and woman in faithful union and says porneia breaks this along with 'moicheia' adultery. When sexual sins are listed in Jesus NT teaching they include 'pornos' and 'moichos'. That means sex outside marriage is not God's purpose and thats why the church upholds the scriptures.
As to same-sex sex, thats specifically mentioned, as with prostitution, but even if it wasnt these would still be sex outside marriage and error just as any other form of sex such as paedophilia. In fact same-sex sex is described in Romans 1 rather than just having a word for it.
monogmaous same-sex loving relationships is a worldly idea and is in direct contradiction to teh Bible and God'e described purpsoes, in fact it is in my view a serious deception as the monogmaous bit appeals to the faithfulness of God's purpose for man and woman, and the loving bit appeals to sex being alright if its love, both may deceive people.
 
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The Holy Spirit Guides me on this.....

Those who seek to correct the flesh....are walking after the Flesh.
You will note the Church has been trying to correct the flesh for centuries and failed miserably because they walk after the flesh.

I remember when Carlton Pearsons down fall came because he was decreed by God to speak the truth as the Spirit revealed it to him...Universal Salvation.

He was invited to a Church in San Fransisco to speak to the congregation...the Pastor was a Lesbian Female, the Congregation where Aids Patients, homosexuals, lesbians....

After speaking they invited Carlton to sit, and they took off his shoes and their was a mixture of singing and weeping amongst the congregation as they where washing Carltons feet....

Carlton mentions that at this moment...somthing happened...he described it as like the room spinning around him, and everybody there suddenly turned into the Glorified and risen Christ.

Yes indeed.... where else would we find our Lord !

Have I answered the Self Righteouse Pharisees of this Forum sufficently enough yet...?
 
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I used to think that homosexual acts (as opposed to orientation) were wrong, but these days I tend towards the belief that the verses used to condemn homosexual acts have most likely been misinterpreted over the years.

David.
 
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I tend to believe the verses that condemn same-sex acts are even clearer in their condemnation now since so much focus and attention has been given to them and their interpretation. I also believe that it was never a question as God's purpose is clearly man and woman through the Biblical testimony. I also believe that the emergence of groups arguing this are themselves groups identified as the sin as so naturally be disputing the Bible testimony, consequently I see it as one of the big deceptions of our time.
 
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What you people forget is...it is not about weather you are heterosexual Bisexual or homosexual.

If you focus on what the Flesh does, then you walk after the Flesh...you are a slave to the Flesh....and you will never correct the Flesh

Your sexuality has nothing to do with your right standing with God....because it is God who shut up all in disobedience that he may show mercy to all.

You will not change the sexuality of any person because of any pious self righteouse tripe you post here....

If you wish to live under the Law....then be aware that you are already in contravention of it...and there fore..

Guilty of All.

Hypocrites!
 
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Good point Spirit Driven,
If you focus on what the Flesh does, then you walk after the Flesh...you are a slave to the Flesh....and you will never correct the Flesh

Your sexuality has nothing to do with your right standing with God....because it is God who shut up all in disobedience that he may show mercy to all.
this true, anyone looking at themselves in terms of their sexuality is looking at themselves in terms of their flesh not in terms of the Spirit.

You will not change the sexuality of any person because of any pious self righteouse tripe you post here....
No one is claiming they can change the sexuality of a person, some are claiming God can't an some are claiming God can.
 
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Adultery, incest and fornication are wrong ... sinful ... whether the other partner involved is male or female. But (sexuality in) the marriage bed is undefiled.

Jesus's discourses on divorce and all OT readings make it clear that marriage is Sacramental only between a man and a woman. That is why homosexual sex is always an objective sin, while sex between heterosexuals is always a sin in context. Hence, gay relationships are an objective moral evil.
 
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Just as not all sexual acts are fornication, not all homosexual acts are fornication.

Then we'll just use a catch all sexual immorality.

Some homosexual acts are adultery (when one or both partners is married -- but not to each other).

Still sexual immorality.

Some are incest (when the partners are closely related by blood or marital ties). And some are morally neutral or even blessed (when performed as part of a loving, committed and faithful marriage).

Still sexual immorality.

Adultery, incest and fornication are wrong ... sinful ... whether the other partner involved is male or female. But (sexuality in) the marriage bed is undefiled.

Untrue.The marriage bed is undefiled. You can bring defilement into it.

Outside of God's defined marriage, it's sexually immoral and therefore sin.
 
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I remember when Carlton Pearsons down fall came because he was decreed by God to speak the truth as the Spirit revealed it to him...Universal Salvation.

Umm what does this mean? Clarify for my sake please before I speak to the following:



Carlton mentions that at this moment...somthing happened...he described it as like the room spinning around him, and everybody there suddenly turned into the Glorified and risen Christ.
 
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I used to think that homosexual acts (as opposed to orientation) were wrong, but these days I tend towards the belief that the verses used to condemn homosexual acts have most likely been misinterpreted over the years.

David.


More idol worship. It's amazing just how many people idolize what they THINK over the very Word of God.
 
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I used to think that homosexual acts (as opposed to orientation) were wrong, but these days I tend towards the belief that the verses used to condemn homosexual acts have most likely been misinterpreted over the years.
The verses that are used to condmen same-sex sex are the verses which do condemn them.
Anyone can say the Bible is has been misinterpreted but the question is has it.
The idea that same-sex sex is error is a historical fact, even the word in English has traditionally been Sodomy.
your doubts are based on modern thinking that what the Bible says cant be right. This isnt interpretation but disbelief.
neither has love ever been misinterpreted until recent decades, the modern word love means all the descriptions and understandings described and defined in the Bible. We can see what the understanding of same-sex sex throughout the Biblical testimony was that is was error, the only misinterpretation is that which is occuring now.
 
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More idol worship. It's amazing just how many people idolize what they THINK over the very Word of God.

Nope, nothing to do with idol worship. Just an acknowledgement that different people have different interpretations and understandings of the Scripture passages in question.

David.
 
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Dear David Brider
The verses that are used to condmen same-sex sex are the verses which do condemn them.

Not necessarily. The verses in Leviticus only apply to male-male sex (assuming that to "lie with a man as with a woman" actually does apply to the sexual act), and even then may refer only to specific examples of that (e.g. in the context of shrine prostitution) rather than being a blanket condemnation. The exact word "arsenokoites" continues to be the subject of heated debate, but given that the literal translation of the component words simply work out to "male" and "many beds," a translation involving homosexual sex doesn't seem like the most likely correct rendering even if that is how it's been traditionally translated.

Anyone can say the Bible is has been misinterpreted but the question is has it.

It's been misinterpreted all over the shop by all manner of people down the centuries, and not just in this particular issue.

The idea that same-sex sex is error is a historical fact, even the word in English has traditionally been Sodomy.

...which itself relies on the assumption that the sin of Sodom was actually homosexual sex. Which is unlikely.

your doubts are based on modern thinking that what the Bible says cant be right. This isnt interpretation but disbelief.

No, I have no problem with believing the Bible. I just want to make sure that what I'm believing is what the original authors actually intended, and not clouded over by a couple of millennia of potential misunderstandings. So if one interpreter says that a particular passage means X and another interpreter says it means ~X, then I want to be sure who's right, 'cos I don't want to believe something that's in error.

neither has love ever been misinterpreted until recent decades, the modern word love means all the descriptions and understandings described and defined in the Bible.

Not really sure what your point is here (it doesn't seem to relate to anything I wrote), but you do realise that there are (IIRC) four Greek words (and I'm not sure how many Hebrew words) translated as "love" in our modern Bibles? Which rather proves my earlier point - we need to be aware of what the author intended at any given point, and if that means digging a little deeper, checking out a couple of commentaries and some multiple translations (as well as possibly getting an understanding of Greek and Hebrew), then I'm all for that.

We can see what the understanding of same-sex sex throughout the Biblical testimony was that is was error...

Depending on the precise meaning and interpretation and translation of the texts in question.

...the only misinterpretation is that which is occuring now.

Well, I'm more inclined to think otherwise. But anyway, as long as we're both believing the same Bible, that's OK.

David.
 
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