Homage to Stalin

[2PhiloVoid]

For some reason, the following story does not warm my heart, either ideally or politically. In fact, I see it as an oxymoron, or set of oxymorons.

According to the BBC:

"A brand new statue of the Soviet dictator Josef Stalin has been unveiled at a Metro station in Moscow. Meanwhile, an adviser to Russia’s President Putin recently argued that the Soviet Union in fact still exists, because of a procedural error in the process of dissolving it. More than three years on from Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the BBC’s Russia Editor Steve Rosenberg considers how Russia is trying to reshape its past to justify the present."

 

[essentialsaltes]

Holodomor​

While most scholars are in consensus that the main cause of the famine was largely man-made, it remains in dispute whether the Holodomor was intentional, whether it was directed at Ukrainians, and whether it constitutes a genocide, the point of contention being the absence of attested documents explicitly ordering the starvation of any area in the Soviet Union. Some historians conclude that the famine was deliberately engineered by Joseph Stalin to eliminate a Ukrainian independence movement.

 

[NxNW]

The Death of Stalin is a good movie.

 

[Kathleen30]

Holodomor​

While most scholars are in consensus that the main cause of the famine was largely man-made, it remains in dispute whether the Holodomor was intentional, whether it was directed at Ukrainians, and whether it constitutes a genocide, the point of contention being the absence of attested documents explicitly ordering the starvation of any area in the Soviet Union. Some historians conclude that the famine was deliberately engineered by Joseph Stalin to eliminate a Ukrainian independence movement.

Well I guess we have enough eye witness testimony of familles having their property’s raided for every last seed of grain it their district never meet the government quota. What government would allow this to happen if it wasn’t deliberate. The death tolls in Russia may be disputed. They say around 7 million deaths in the Ukraine alone but even if a million figure that figure would be unacceptable considering that the Ukraine was the bread basket of Europe. It happened because the Russian regime wanted hard currency by selling a bulk of the harvest overseas.

 

[Desk trauma]

Now it has to stay there forever, taking it down is erasing history.

 

[Hans Blaster]

For some reason, the following story does not warm my heart, either ideally or politically. In fact, I see it as an oxymoron, or set of oxymorons.

According to the BBC:

"A brand new statue of the Soviet dictator Josef Stalin has been unveiled at a Metro station in Moscow. Meanwhile, an adviser to Russia’s President Putin recently argued that the Soviet Union in fact still exists, because of a procedural error in the process of dissolving it. More than three years on from Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the BBC’s Russia Editor Steve Rosenberg considers how Russia is trying to reshape its past to justify the present."

Oh those silly Russians. Still pushing forward with their Stalin cult, just like Putin has promoted for years. (I'm glad they included the subtitles so we could understand the reporter.)

Caption card for the first boy interviewed:

"Killed assaulting a Ukrainian position in Kursk Oblast in 2028."

 

[essentialsaltes]

Everyone can appreciate a Stalin move.

 

[Hans Blaster]

What will happen to Secretary Lysenko at HHS?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Well I guess we have enough eye witness testimony of familles having their property’s raided for every last seed of grain it their district never meet the government quota. What government would allow this to happen if it wasn’t deliberate. The death tolls in Russia may be disputed. They say around 7 million deaths in the Ukraine alone but even if a million figure that figure would be unacceptable considering that the Ukraine was the bread basket of Europe. It happened because the Russian regime wanted hard currency by selling a bulk of the harvest overseas.

and that does not even take into account all the people he had murdered or sent to gulags in Siberia to die.

 

[Pioneer3mm]

I was in Russia..years ago.
- short trip
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It seems..many people in Russia still miss..Soviet Union days/era.

 

[Kathleen30]

and that does not even take into account all the people he had murdered or sent to gulags in Siberia to die.

Very true it comes down to what the actual death tolls were . Considering Russia’s population was around 160 million in 1913. I’ve read accounts where under Lenin and Stalin the claim is 70- 100 million pre 1940. With Minus another 20 million Russians killed from the 2nd world war. And if we go with those figures you’re looking at a population of 70-40 million Russians left. So there has to be some exaggeration within the death tolls that are claimed. But Nether the less still a horrific regime perhaps 10- 30 million would be a fairer assessment

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Oh those silly Russians. Still pushing forward with their Stalin cult, just like Putin has promoted for years. (I'm glad they included the subtitles so we could understand the reporter.)

Caption card for the first boy interviewed:

"Killed assaulting a Ukrainian position in Kursk Oblast in 2028."

It's not like I'm surprised at the OP article, really. I learned decades ago from a source who knows that Russia has become a sort of hybrid between the old Soviet doctrines and an attempt at a market economy. And this is what they've been for the last 25 years.

Besides, we all know Putin was a (former?) Soviet hardliner, and only the naive think Russia has ever truly changed its spots.

I think they need to repent of all of their Soviet nostalgia before they're judged by the Lord.

 

[Hans Blaster]

It's not like I'm surprised at the OP article, really. I learned decades ago from a source who knows that Russia has become a sort of hybrid between the old Soviet doctrines and an attempt at a market economy. And this is what they've been for the last 25 years.

Stalin nostalgia never went away in Russia. It was a thing already with the new Russia was only a few years old and I was studying it. Not so much "soviet doctrines", but oligarchy, hand picked monopolists beholden to the state (and Putin is the state).

Besides, we all know Putin was a (former?) Soviet hardliner, and only the naive think Russia has ever truly changed its spots.

Putin is probably better described as a Russian imperialist. USSR was the most relevant version of the Russian Empire, being one pole in the Cold War. He wants that kind of influence over central and eastern Europe again.

I think they need to repent of all of their Soviet nostalgia before they're judged by the Lord.

I don't think that is germane to the topic.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Stalin nostalgia never went away in Russia. It was a thing already with the new Russia was only a few years old and I was studying it.

You and me both were studying it, apparently.

Not so much "soviet doctrines", but oligarchy, hand picked monopolists beholden to the state (and Putin is the state).

Yes, I've been aware of that.

Putin is probably better described as a Russian imperialist. USSR was the most relevant version of the Russian Empire, being one pole in the Cold War. He wants that kind of influence over central and eastern Europe again.

Yes, I'm sure he does.

I don't think that is germane to the topic.

Maybe, but you know how the old saying goes, "Different strokes for different folks."

 

[durangodawood]

I find this tyranny and oppression nostalgia depressing too. People are getting dissatisfied with what the current times offer - especially in corrupt places like Russia - to the point where they pine for a grim but geopolitically glorious past.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Everyone can appreciate a Stalin move.

Kim Jong Un nods.

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