Holy Spirit and trinity

[msindiausa]

Angels...This thread has gotten a little off topic.

 

[calidog]

What would make you think this? I always assumed the Angel of God was an angel of God.

it is a possibility it was Jesus, and that God who walked in the garden in the cool of the day in genesis was Jesus, and that God in person with the two angels who appeared to Abraham was Jesus, and that the divine person who appeared to Samson's mother was Jesus, and other occurences of "the angel of the Lord was", but it is'nt proveable, but it is very interesting.

 

[calidog]

I'm pretty sure it is because otherwise they would have siad God the Son. Jesus is NOT an angle. Angles are created beings and they are in no way shape or form perfect.

Angel can refer to just a messenger of God, but you have a good point nonetheless.

 

[calidog]

No it isn't separate roles They are three separate people. There is a difference it isn't like I'm a son, friend, and student it is like my father and mother are two people but one through marriage. As for fully understanding the Trinity no there isn’t a perfect analogy but there are some that help and there are some that are just wrong.


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Good point. We can't separate the roles much of the Son and Father, except that the Son is the one that was "given". But we can support in scripture the role(s) of the Holy Spirit.

 

[ccastellow]

I was under the impression that the trinity were 3 seperate physical beings some how united as one...Can you tell I am confused? Any help you can give is welcome.

That is correct! Trinitarians believe there will be three in heaven when we get there, but the Bible says different!

 

[Protodromos]

Christians believe in ONE God and only one God-the Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). We say that it works this way: From the Father, through the Son and in the Holy Spirit when seeing how God deals with His creation. Though the term 'Trinity' is not found in the Bible the references to it certainly are (most noticeably perhaps in the Great Commission Mt. 28). Christians believe that there are 3 persons of the Trinity but one nature.
I refer you to St. Basil's epistle to his brother Gregory (epistle 38) for a clearer understanding of these concepts. It is obvious that the Trinitarian belief is scripturally based, and even more obvious that Christians have always believed in the Trinity (even before they had a proper name for how the 3 persons of God are related to one another). The divinity and operations of the Trinity are also upheld and explained in the Nicene Creed (finalized in 381, prior to the addition of the filioque by the Roman Catholics).
This is one clear example of many that Christians need to have a clear understanding of their history and why we believe what we do today.
Hope this helps, God Bless.
protodromos

 

[Preacherchick99]

I have a hard time believing in a physical holy spirit. The only reason I believe in it slightly is because of the christians I know who seem to have something in them.

As for the trinity, it isn't in the bible so I don't really understand it...Can anybody explain these two?

Alrighty--To explain the Holy Spirit....God...And Jesus!

No prob homie!

Just look at the element of water. There are three distinct forms. But they are the same thing. Think of it this way:

Liquid: God
Solid: Jesus
Gas: The Holy Spirit

They are one but the same thing! Isn't that cool?

 

[calidog]

That is correct! Trinitarians believe there will be three in heaven when we get there, but the Bible says different!

the bible says there will be two, the Father and the Son.

 

[king-priest]

Okay here it is...the trinity and deity.

The deity(essence) of GOD is what He is by His attributes.God is in fact three persons but all are God by those same attributes.

The deity of God-

Love - not just a giver and receiver of love but love itself.
Omniscient - all-knowing;all-seeing
Veracity - absolute truth; unable to lie
Eternal - having no beginning or end;have always existed and will always exist
Faithful - always trustworthy to be dependable
Immutable - never changing;always the same
Sovereign - a King (of Kings);royalty;majestic
Holy - the two attributes of God:righteousness and justice specifically
Omnipotent - all powerful
Righteous - perfect;the perfect integrity and character of God
Justice - perfect judicial act demanded by God's righteousness
Omnipresent - ever present;everywhere:all present
Grace - all that God is capable of doing for man based on the work of Jesus Christ at the cross.

All three persons of GOD have these attributes even though they each have a different function.

The Father is the planner
The Son/Word is the executer of the plan
The Holy Spirit is the communicator(the Voice) and comforter of the Word

 

[Rafael]

I have a hard time believing in a physical holy spirit. The only reason I believe in it slightly is because of the christians I know who seem to have something in them.

As for the trinity, it isn't in the bible so I don't really understand it...Can anybody explain these two?

I love that God is not limited to the dimensions of man, and it is for mankinds benefit that He, God the Father, has manifested Himself to us in the physical and spiritual form - Jesus and the Holy Spirit. He even speaks of Himself as plural in Genesis. I think that we, as fallen prideful man, naturally try to trim God down to our own size and dimension in order to understand and exercise power over Him without even being aware of it. It is our nature from birth into a fallen world to sin and do this. We are unable to control much of the dimensions we are aware of, such as time, yet God lives outside it in eternity and sees beginning to end at the same moment. Can such awesome power be confined to one body .....or what words can be found to wrap around and express what and all that He is?
I am glad that He can be even more that what I can count on my fingers and toes, and I give Him all the glory and trust I can muster with my life. We are made after His image and not visa-versa. He is truly All in All, as He not only manifests Himself to us in flesh and spirit, but we actually live inside Him and have our being. All of creation speaks of Him to us, and what language speaks better than life itself about the awesomeness of our creator and God who is Jesus.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Col.2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Isaiah 6:8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!

Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Ac 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

 

[ccastellow]

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image; God patterned them after himself; male and female he created them.
Why not us here, could he not be talking to the angels who were there at creation?

Genesis 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.

Again, couldn't us mean the angels, God took full advantage of his Angels.

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

You said it all here, these three parts of God are one God.


One more I really like is Galatians 3:20 "God is one"
Why wouldn't He say three here?

 

[ccastellow]

Christians believe in ONE God and only one God-the Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). We say that it works this way: From the Father, through the Son and in the Holy Spirit when seeing how God deals with His creation. Though the term 'Trinity' is not found in the Bible the references to it certainly are (most noticeably perhaps in the Great Commission Mt. 28). Christians believe that there are 3 persons of the Trinity but one nature.

So here I am a father, a son and a husband. So I guess that makes me three persons in one. Wow! That just makes all the sense in the world.

 

[HypnoToad]

So here I am a father, a son and a husband. So I guess that makes me three persons in one. Wow! That just makes all the sense in the world.

But your example is NOT what the Trinity expresses.

The Trinity is 3 persons, one nature. Your example is more like 3 natures, one person.

 

[Scholar in training]

One more I really like is Galatians 3:20 "God is one"
Why wouldn't He say three here?

This is not a debate forum. If you would like to debate this and other prooftexts (or better yet, textual data as evidence for the dogma of the Trinity) then take it to Unorthodox Theology.

 

[ccastellow]

But your example is NOT what the Trinity expresses.

The Trinity is 3 persons, one nature. Your example is more like 3 natures, one person.

Exactly.

I just want to shower blessings and power on each and every person who reads this today. May your day go good with nothing but the best for all no matter what they believe.

 

[Rafael]

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One more I really like is Galatians 3:20 "God is one"
Why wouldn't He say three here?

Because God is not a man, nor limited to the dimensions of man. He is so much more than our understanding. We cannot take away from the divinity and Oneness of the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit for this reason - each is God even though Jesus is called the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form - the flesh.
God in the flesh will always be Jesus, now and through eternity, but the Father will also be God, too, along with the Holy Spirit. Yet they are One God in ways we do not yet completely comprehend. We know in part, for now, but the day will come when we will know more - as He knows us.
God bless.

1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

 

[ccastellow]

Because God is not a man, nor limited to the dimensions of man. He is so much more than our understanding. We cannot take away from the divinity and Oneness of the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit for this reason - each is God even though Jesus is called the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form - the flesh.
God in the flesh will always be Jesus, now and through eternity, but the Father will also be God, too, along with the Holy Spirit. Yet they are One God in ways we do not yet completely comprehend. We know in part, for now, but the day will come when we will know more - as He knows us.
God bless.

1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Jesus was the name given to us by God for himself. Emmanuel was what he was named "God with us". The Father is God!! Jesus and God are not two separate Gods but One. Your comments above separate them and if there is only one God then you are making one of them subordinate to the other.

 

[ccastellow]

Jesus was the name given to us by God for himself. Emmanuel was what he was named "God with us". The Father is God!! Jesus and God are not two separate Gods but One. Your comments above separate them and if there is only one God then you are making one of them subordinate to the other.

Let me rephrase something I said, Jesus is the Father, the Son (his human nature) and Jesus is the Holy Spirit! They are not three persons.

 

[NacDan]

Jesus is not the Father. He didn't pray to himself. Jesus submitted his will to the Father. Jesus asked the Father to take "this cup from me" (if it be His will). The Father delights in bruising the Son. They are separate. What you are explaining is Oneness Doctrine.

I'm sure somewhere in this thread I put the original hebrew text for Genesis 1:1. The word translated "GOD" is singular plural. That means that even the early Hebrews understood that while there is only one God, He is made up of separate persons of one essence. The Father BEGAT the Son. John 3:16 does not read, "For God so loved the world that He sent HIMSELF, that whosoever shall believe shall not perish but have ever lasting life." (HIMSELF substituted for "His only Begotton Son")

Danny

 

[The Virginian]

I have a hard time believing in a physical holy spirit. The only reason I believe in it slightly is because of the christians I know who seem to have something in them.

As for the trinity, it isn't in the bible so I don't really understand it...Can anybody explain these two?

There's no physical Holy Spirit!!! The simple reason being, is that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Living God, who Himself is not a physical entity.
The word Trinity is a "theological" word, and while it has no presence within the pages of Holy Writ (although we do see in two of the Gospels -at Jesus' baptism- where Jesus is baptized, the Father speaks, and the Holy Spirit descends as a dove), it is nonetheless viable in our understanding of the Godhead!
God the Father ---is the ungenerated, creator of all that is. By saying ungenerated, I mean that at no time has He ever not been in existence, nor was He ever created.
Jesus the Son of God --- There is a big difference between the Logos, the Word of God, whom St. John identifies as always being with,and is God, and Jesus the Son who was born of the Virgin Mary, the Theotokos (Theotokos means simply Mother of God)
Holy Spirit --- It is difficult to definitively define the Spirit of God. Jesus said to His Disciples, "I will pray to the Father, and He will send to you another Comforter..." The Holy is the Spirit which proceeds from God, hence He is Holy.
As concerning the redemption of mankind each of the Persons of the Trinity has a specific role to play. THe Holy Spirit testifies to us of the Son; the Son is door , the gateway to the Father, from whom and in whom we have our being.
CLEAR AS MUD! I sure hope so!!!