Holy Ghost ( Part 1 )

[HephzibahBenJudah]

Nice site. Much work went into this study.

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

Nice site. Much work went into this study.

Thank you sister. This site is doing the will of the Father and that is spreading his Words of truth. Truth today is such a rare commodity and the world would rather believe a lie. It is for this reason we continueously try to push for air time to advertise this site. All the monies made and I do mean all go to the speading of the gospel of Jesus Christ and his the words of truth. For we believe that that something is either a truth or a lie. If you have a truth with a compromise, it is not truth any longer. A white lie is still a lie. We do not knowingly post anything we believe is untruthful. We believe all that is posted is done through the unction of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Schroeder]

Dear Schroeder,

You are not understanding. You mistake the baptism of the Holy Spirit with salvation. These are not the same. When a man is born again, saved, he is cleansed by the blood of the lamb. He is baptized into Christ through his blood. The temple must first be made clean, become sanctified before the Holy Spirit of God can come into the temple.

that is what Christ baptism of the SPirit was for SALVATION to join us with HIs death and ressurection so HIS blood COULD cleanse us. rom 6 says this rom 8:11-13 says this. coll 2:11-14 speaks of t his eph 4:23-24 rom 13:14. they go with heb. 9:14 read heb 9:28 SOO he can not be cleansed by the blood UNITLL he is united with Christ sacrifice which is through the SPirit. KEEP ON STUDYING.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do people put new wine into old wineskins, or else the skins would burst, and the wine be spilled, and the skins ruined. No, they put new wine into fresh wineskins, and both are preserved."


The man must first be made clean. He believes and is baptized by the blood of the lamb. Now, there have been times when men have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit at the same time he was saved. Yet, this is not common. There have been times men have been saved and when receiving water baptism they received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. God will baptize whom he pleases when he pleases as he did on the day of Pentecost.

The point I am trying to make is those on the day of Pentecost were already saved before the Holy Spirit came upon them. They were already believers covered by the blood of the lamb. On the day of Pentecost, they received the baptism of the Holy Spirit which was the infilling or overfilling of the Holy Ghost. This was given by God without the laying of hands.

So we see that the baptism was given without the laying on of hands on the day of Pentecost and we find out that it was given with the laying of hands. So it is done both ways. It became mostly practiced by the laying of hands to give the baptism of the Holy Spirit as the church began to grow and spread throughout the regions. Reason being was because of the how quickly the church was growing.

that passage doesnt go with what your saying. SIN is what keeps us from GOd the work of Christ destroyes the CURSE of sin and gives us a new life to live it covers up the Sin and destroyes the curse of it. we still sin but if we live through the SPirit we will live a rightoeus life. the SPirit is our new birth because Christ in us is our new person. the flesh counts for nothing. the blood only covers our sin and old nature it does not destroy it, it destroys the curse of it though. as for the rest of your post eph 1:13-14 says what gal 3:2 says what. 1 cor 12:13 says what. most of what you say is assumption and distortion of scripture. maybe we do not believe the same thing after all.

 

[Schroeder]

I also become sad when i sin and i feel the need to ask for forgivness. I have not been baptised in water yet. and ive only been a christian for about 3 or 4 months.

it is because the Spirit is inside of you and convicts you of sin. when you believe in Christ and accept him you are baptized by the Spirit. eph 1:13-14, rom 6:3- if you read rom 8:5-10 you see that you know understand the will of God because you have received the SPirit. the Spirit in you brings out the gifts that God gave you at birth. whatever it or they may be. you do not need to be water baptized. if you wish to that is fine but it should be because you feel God wants you to not because evey body tells you you should. it doesnt do anything really except make you feel or have a time you can look back and say this is when i DID begin to want to please God. OR a time or moment others can show you you did make a commitment to Christ so that you can live up to that commitment. BUT if you daily die to sin and live to your new birth Christ in you and let the SPirit Guide you you will not need to have a one time moment to look back on. besides it is thew Spirit that leads us out of sinfullness not past rememberances. and do not think you must now everything right off to grow as a chrsitian is not about knowledge persay but expereinces in life. you will continue to grow your whole life if you stop growing you start dying. may your knowledge and wisdom and growing and gifts continue to increase and touch others so they may see Christ in you.

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

Dear Schroeder,

You cannot have the Holy Spirit baptism in you until you are saved first? It is impossible. The vessel must first be made new. The vessel must be sanctified by the blood of the lamb, it must be cleaned of all sin. Don't you remember the parable of the new wine in the old wine sack? What happens if you attempt to put new wine in old wine sacks, they will burst. You must first be born again. Then can the Holy Ghost fill the man. For how can you put something Holy in something unholy unless you first sanctify it with blood. Did not the High Priest sanctify all things and themselves with blood before entering the Holy of Holies?

So don't get these two mixed up. The baptism of blood into Christ is what saves us from our sins, what makes us Holy and acceptable unto God. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is what God gave us to fill us with all truth. It was taken from out of the church when they changed how the baptisms were preformed. That is why you believe the way you do. The doctrines of men began teaching that you received this baptism at salvation, and there were times when a man here or there did. Yet, God, just as the on the day of Pentecost will baptize whom he wants to baptize. Those who are baptized in the Holy Spirit will bear the signs of the beleivers as spoken of in Mark 16.

 

[Schroeder]

Dear Schroeder,

You cannot have the Holy Spirit baptism in you until you are saved first? It is impossible. The vessel must first be made new. The vessel must be sanctified by the blood of the lamb, it must be cleaned of all sin. Don't you remember the parable of the new wine in the old wine sack? What happens if you attempt to put new wine in old wine sacks, they will burst. You must first be born again. Then can the Holy Ghost fill the man. For how can you put something Holy in something unholy unless you first sanctify it with blood. Did not the High Priest sanctify all things and themselves with blood before entering the Holy of Holies?

SO what makes us born again. your parable doesnt line up with this idea of yours. you are making it fit to try to make your point.

So don't get these two mixed up. The baptism of blood into Christ is what saves us from our sins, what makes us Holy and acceptable unto God. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is what God gave us to fill us with all truth. It was taken from out of the church when they changed how the baptisms were preformed. That is why you believe the way you do. The doctrines of men began teaching that you received this baptism at salvation, and there were times when a man here or there did. Yet, God, just as the on the day of Pentecost will baptize whom he wants to baptize. Those who are baptized in the Holy Spirit will bear the signs of the beleivers as spoken of in Mark 16.

you are seriously cherry picking. you are distorting scripture and apparently did not read any of the ones i gave you. gal 3:2 eph 1:13-14 says WHAT? that we receive the Spirit when we BELIEVE. is this a different Spirit then your holy SPirit baptism. NOPE. i notice you lack any scripture evidence for all you just said. and what act do we do to get this baptism of blood? did i nnot show you that this baptism of blood is through the SPirit because it is the Spirit that unites us with Christ and his work. go ahead just ignore the passages i gave you.

 

[Starcrystal]

So we make our stand on the Word of God and we believe the King James is the infallible Word of God. Many today are turning against the KJ. The world hates the KJ.

The scriptures tell us that Jesus is the Word of God. If Jesus is the Word of God, and he is, will not the world hate him? Would that not explain why so many are coming against the KJ? Jesus said that the world would hate him and would hate any who believes in him.

So it only makes sense that if the majority of the world hates the KJ, that it is the Word of God.

Amen! I won't go so far as to say the KJ is the infallible Word of God because actually the original Hebrew and Greek would be. But that is easily fixed if you use a Strongs lexicon to look up meanings of words in the KJ that might get misinterpreted. So KJ with accompanying Strongs is the infallible Word of God. A simple example is the word "unicorn" in KJ is not a one horned horse but actually a buffalo or aurocs. (Bovine, not equine)

The newer "versions" are watered down at the best and blasphemy at the worst. When translators cut out entire verses, remove the blood, and deny the works of the Spirit, then that is certainly tampering with sacred things.

 

[Starcrystal]

SO what makes us born again. your parable doesnt line up with this idea of yours. you are making it fit to try to make your point.

you are seriously cherry picking. you are distorting scripture and apparently did not read any of the ones i gave you. gal 3:2 eph 1:13-14 says WHAT? that we receive the Spirit when we BELIEVE. is this a different Spirit then your holy SPirit baptism. NOPE. i notice you lack any scripture evidence for all you just said. and what act do we do to get this baptism of blood? did i nnot show you that this baptism of blood is through the SPirit because it is the Spirit that unites us with Christ and his work. go ahead just ignore the passages i gave you.

There are 2 works at play here. Yes you receive the Holy Spirit when you believe: you are born again of the Spirit according to John 3. But the baptism of the Holy Spirit is different. It is an empowering, an immersion, bringing to a fullness the ability of the Spirit to function within the vessel. What does it say in Acts 19:2? "Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? "
And in Acts 2 the 120 in the room were already believers and had been for some time. So this proves the baptism in the Spirit and the initial born again by the Spirit are 2 different things.

 

[Schroeder]

There are 2 works at play here. Yes you receive the Holy Spirit when you believe: you are born again of the Spirit according to John 3. But the baptism of the Holy Spirit is different. It is an empowering, an immersion, bringing to a fullness the ability of the Spirit to function within the vessel. What does it say in Acts 19:2? "Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? "
And in Acts 2 the 120 in the room were already believers and had been for some time. So this proves the baptism in the Spirit and the initial born again by the Spirit are 2 different things.

onlyh if you misread the passage and take it out of context with what is happening. FOr one the 12 were it for a reason. the outpouring was so other may see that they were of God and to be believed. and as for acts 19:2 read the rest of it. they did not know of Christ and HIS work of salvatiuon for them. they did not accept Christ work. it states clearly they were to TRUST in the ONE after him. once they did that they receive the SPirit i willl submit there may be a baptism of the SPirit BUT it is not so you can have gifts.a nd i think it is done for a point to show or prove GOd is in you. i think it is less needed now then in the earlir Church. i dont think it is bringing in the fullness of the Spirit to function in you. i dont see scripture to say this.

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

Amen! I won't go so far as to say the KJ is the infallible Word of God because actually the original Hebrew and Greek would be. But that is easily fixed if you use a Strongs lexicon to look up meanings of words in the KJ that might get misinterpreted. So KJ with accompanying Strongs is the infallible Word of God. A simple example is the word "unicorn" in KJ is not a one horned horse but actually a buffalo or aurocs. (Bovine, not equine)

The newer "versions" are watered down at the best and blasphemy at the worst. When translators cut out entire verses, remove the blood, and deny the works of the Spirit, then that is certainly tampering with sacred things.

The OT was in Hebrew, but the NT was not. So You may want to rethink your statement. I believe the King James, which was known as only the Holy Bible for almost two hundred years is the infallible Word of God and can prove all other translation false.

The Hebrew NT did not come to be until after the King James.

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

Gal. 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?


Eph. 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.



These are your scriptures and though we do receive the gift of grace, which is Christ the Lord, who is Holy Spirit, it is not the baptism of the Holy Spirit. When we are saved, born again, Jesus comes and lives in our heart.

 

[Starcrystal]

The OT was in Hebrew, but the NT was not. So You may want to rethink your statement. I believe the King James, which was known as only the Holy Bible for almost two hundred years is the infallible Word of God and can prove all other translation false.

The Hebrew NT did not come to be until after the King James.

I did mention the Hebrew AND Greek. The NT is written in Greek. And I use the Strongs to understand certain words in the NT from the Greek as well.

 

[Godslilgurlalways]

I just wanted to say that Part four is out now ABout to go read it

 

[Godslilgurlalways]

There are now five parts instead of 4

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

Wonderful. This is a very good study. I just pray that more and more saints get empowered with this baptism.

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

Dear Star,

I am do a study that may take us to the very brink of revealing the exact moment as to the uncovering the abomination of desolation and to prove the King James as the infallible Word of God. The Lord has me hot and heavy on the trail. Yet, the sad part is, just as with the 3 baptisms, most will not believe. For the world would rather believe a lie.

 

[Starcrystal]

Dear Star,

I am do a study that may take us to the very brink of revealing the exact moment as to the uncovering the abomination of desolation and to prove the King James as the infallible Word of God. The Lord has me hot and heavy on the trail. Yet, the sad part is, just as with the 3 baptisms, most will not believe. For the world would rather believe a lie.

I do know scripture tells us we will recognise the antichrist according to 2 thessalonians 2:1 - 3
specifically "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition"
I do not particularly believe the rapture will take place before the antichrist is revealed.... but I guess that's another topic.
But as far as knowing the exact moment??
Perhaps we will be able to when the time gets close enough, but I know we cannot know the exact moment of Christs return for the gathering (rapture), just the general season.

 

[Matthan]

A well-thoughtout essay. A few minor flaws, but excellent none-the-less.

Our experience with the Holy Ghost is a one-on-one thing. Nobody else ever matters. If we, as individuals, develop a love for and belief in Jesus as the Christ of God, and if we truly repent of our sinful ways, then we are born again by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Matthan

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

Dear Star,

As for knowing who the antichrist is, his spirit is already in the world. What I am speaking of is proof that will reveal beyond all doubt of the deception that has gone on for centuries. Proof that will convict all who do not believe in the truth. For how can one be made guilty, if not confronted with the truth. The denial of the truth is and has be occuring for generation after generation. We live in a world where most would believe the lie before the truth. For the love of sin is greater then the love for God.

I believe the Lord is leading me into a study that will prove beyond all doubt that the King James bible is the infallible Word of God. Already today, the world hates this bible translation. Jesus said, the world would hate him. Jesus is the Word of God. If Jesus is the Word of God and the scriptures plainly say that he is, and the world hates him, it is feasible to think that the translation that the world hates and is trying to destroy is the translation that is the Word of God.

The point is, I believe the KJ is the Word of God. There is no other translations that cannot be undone or discredited by using the KJ. I believe the gospel of Jesus Christ is perfect and it fits perfectly and fulfills perfectly the OT.

I am no one of any special meaning. I don't know why the Lord has paid me attention. Or why he has given me so much, when I give so little in return. He gave me the study on the 3 baptisms that I believe is the most power message to this world in this generation, and no one cares except for a few. Yet, I am not so sure he gave it, for the Gentiles, for the time of their season is about to come to an end? And most look at the study as garbage because they are so hung up in the doctrines of men.

I think he gave it so that when it comes time, they will be held accountable. For the truth was always there, for it was written. It was man's willingness to believe his own truth instead of the Word of God that has him ignoring the truth and this study on the 3 baptisms destroys all the doctrines of men. And it holds all the doctrines of men accountable to the truth.

Anyway sis, when it comes to knowing who the antichrist is, it says that he will be so deceiving, that he will even deceive many of the very elect of God. Yet, the elect of God I believe is referring to Israel. As for the saints of God, I do not believe he will decieve them, for how can he decieve the blood bought who see with spiritual eyes? The only problem is there are not as many of these as you may think. Most claim to be believers, yet not all are of the same God. Many are already held under the bondage of deception.

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

Dear Mattan,

Your belief is the same that has carried men for centuries and it is not correct. You stand on salvation. That is it. You do not receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit at salvation. It is a rare occasion that it happens and most do not receive it at that time. On the day of Pentecost, do you not think all those prior to the pouring out of the Holy Ghost were not already saved? They were. They were waiting for the baptism of the Holy Sprit. Did not Peter repent of his sins are are you saying he waited up to the day of Pentecost to get saved? I tell you that Peter was saved long before the day of Pentecost. You cannot put new wine in old wine sacks. Don't you understand that parable?


Matthew 9:17 Neither do people put new wine into old wineskins, or else the skins would burst, and the wine be spilled, and the skins ruined. No, they put new wine into fresh wineskins, and both are preserved."


Unless a man first be saved, born again, renewed, how can he house the Holy Spirit of God. How can you put what is Holy in that which is unholy unless you first cleanse that which is unholy. We are cleansed, sanctified by the blood of Christ. Our sins are washed away. And then Christ comes into our heart. We then, after being saved, receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.