ESPHIGMENOU MONASTERY - MOUNT ATHOS
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www.esphigmenou.com
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Holy Esphigmenou Monastery
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Vasileios
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The rest of the 19 monasteries in the Holy Mountain do not agree with the Esphigmenou monastery. According to the latter, they are correct and everybody else is wrong. It is a very sad situation, which it would be well if we did not promote here.
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It shows he is a heretic because why in the world does he treat the Pope better than the, at worst, schismatic Esphigmenou (I dare the EP to show me one heresy they preach; there have been many times in history where saints stopped commemorating a local bishop because he wasn't Orthodox). Rather, he treats the Pope with more respect, even though the Latins are heretics!
Vasileios, all 20 monasteries used to resist. Esphigmenou and some hermits are the last remnant of that. How do you explain that the rest of Athos sees the last three abbots of Esphigmenou as saints? Quite odd if Esphigmenou are really so schismatic.
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OIT said:
Perhaps because he loves them more that the Catholics, after all they (the monks) are his spiritual children? Hence the corrective persecution:
For the Lord disciplines him whom he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives." (Heb. 12:6)
Who said these isn't a bright side in all things?
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The Orthodox do not react in such harsh, abusive and violent ways.
Typically, they are passive. But when it comes to metters of doctrine and heresy, they are passionate.
The Pope of Rome is a spiritual father not of the Eastern Orthodox church. He is a very good theologian and pastor to his [massive] flock, but the orthodox do not accept him.
The reason is the great schism which really found its height in 1054 AD, when the Roman church placed a bull of excommunication in the Byzantine church of Hagia Sophia (then the capitol of Christian activity). The great schism is too huge to even begin to explain on here, but it is the main reason of the division (schism) between the East and the West.
I don't believe it is a matter of "disrespect" but rather a matter of not acknowledging the theological views of the Pope. The Orthodox do not aim at causing offence, but would rather pray over such matters.
Extremism is something this world is too full of.
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Well this goes either way, Those who are with the EP, those who hate him, and those who could give less of two blanks about it.
May God Strike fear in all their hearts, and I mean everyone involved.
My advice let them come to America where they can form their own Schismatic group without anybody so much as shaking a fist at them in the Process.
On the other hand I motion this thread be closed as It does nothing to help or serve to the people of TAW and can only cause either A) an Argument, or B) Confusion
May God Strike fear in all their hearts, and I mean everyone involved.
My advice let them come to America where they can form their own Schismatic group without anybody so much as shaking a fist at them in the Process.
On the other hand I motion this thread be closed as It does nothing to help or serve to the people of TAW and can only cause either A) an Argument, or B) Confusion
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What are the Monks doing that the EP doesn't like? My opinion, they are modern day martyrs...unless other evidence of heresy can be shown. But still we (Greek goverment and the EP) should not be treating anyone like that, Orthodox or not. It's not Christian.
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I agree.
Would St. Seraphim of Sarov treat people like this? No. He greeted everyone with "My Joy, Christ is Risen."
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Just because they are being mistreated does not mean they are not schismatics and in the wrong WRT the disagreement with the rest of canonical Orthodoxy on Athos.
FWIW, when I visited Athos, I was told by my spiritual father, a pious Hieromonk, to avoid them.
FWIW, when I visited Athos, I was told by my spiritual father, a pious Hieromonk, to avoid them.
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But what are they doing is what I am asking? I stated above they are modern day martyrs UNLESS evidence of heresy can be shown, which I have no idea what it is they are doing...
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I disagree. You can't just run off, do your own thing, and claim martyrdom for it because you died a monk. Passion bearer perhaps if you died a nobel and Christian death, yes, but unless we know that they are holding to the true faith, and all 19 other monasteries are heretics (sound familiar ?), they are not martyrs.
What should Athos do if a bunch of miscreants decide they are going to go their own way and wave flags that say Orthodoxy or Death, if in fact they are no more canonical than the myriad of self-authenticating splinter, schismatic and even vagante groups throughout the world ? I'm sorry, the burden of proof is on them, and it's going to take a lot more than Sergianist, New Calendar, Ecumenist style finger pointing to convince me.
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Oblio,
I have asked 2 times now on what the Monks are doing that is their "own thing". This is what I want to know. I have no idea..
I have asked 2 times now on what the Monks are doing that is their "own thing". This is what I want to know. I have no idea..
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i agree completely with you, and i also wonder what makes them schismatics. someone mentioned something about them not commemorating the EP, but I didnt think this made one a schismatic. Didnt St. Maximus the Confessor place himself out of communion with several bishops, perhaps even Patriarchs, I'm not sure. I'm not saying they arent schismatics, but what is it that makes them schismatics. and of course, either way, the treatment they are receiving is horrible.
I asked my priest about this tonight and he said the EP is just making them even more entrenched in their dislike of him.
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That's what I'm saying straw, I have no idea what makes them schismatic, besides the fact the don't like or care for the EP..
Is everyone aware that in our not so distant future, that the True Church will be considered schismatic by the "Originaztional Church"? What I mean is, the Churches that refuse to follow the EP and other's into this false Ecumenism with the West, will be considered schismatic, although the schismatics will be True Orthodoxy...just thought I would throw that out there..
Is everyone aware that in our not so distant future, that the True Church will be considered schismatic by the "Originaztional Church"? What I mean is, the Churches that refuse to follow the EP and other's into this false Ecumenism with the West, will be considered schismatic, although the schismatics will be True Orthodoxy...just thought I would throw that out there..
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