Holocast Weapons

[dad]

I don't think it was proven that the Muslims used in the 911 attack were the real organizers.


I think they should leave Iran alone. There are a lot of good people there. They have no Nuclear weapons. If Israel destroyed all their holocast weapons, as Vannunu called them, I don't think there would be a big problem over there.

If they can have, Iran can have, and everyone and his brother can have.

I would like to see a worldwide, unilateral disarming of weapons of mass destruction! That would be a clue to me, as to who really are the good guys, and the bad guys.

 

[Eruliel]

If we go after anyone next it should rightfully be Osama Bin Laden. He's the dork who bombed us in the first place! I mean we shouldn't even have gone after Iraq, simply because they didn't commit the 9/11 attacks. Our war with Iraq is unjust, and our ignoring Afghanistan and Osama is just stupidity.
Slainte!
Eruliel

 

[dad]

If we go after anyone next it should rightfully be Osama Bin Laden. He's the dork who bombed us in the first place! I mean we shouldn't even have gone after Iraq, simply because they didn't commit the 9/11 attacks. Our war with Iraq is unjust, and our ignoring Afghanistan and Osama is just stupidity.
Slainte!
Eruliel

I can agree with this viewpoint. My concern is whether Osama really did mastermind it. I don't think we really know. We know Arabs were used in the operation, not who really orchestrated it. There are always Arabs willing to do that, but willing, and able is another thing. I think we ought to KNOW before blowing up weddings, retaurants and towns.

Sometimes people can be fooled. For example there is an elite Israeli unit(s) that specialize, I read in going into other countries, and assasinating enemies. Mostly Arabs, like in Lebanon, etc. They dress as Arabs, speak the language, and if possible, they try to blame the event on Arabs as well. ("One of their own bomb factories blew up, rtc..) As it happens, there was a 'former officer' on the first plane to go down that September day. Also, it happens he was sitting right by the hijackers. We assume he was a hero, and not involved, of course. But it goes to show that some people do go to other counties to murder, and blame it on Arabs.

How can we be sure something more than met the eye was not going on here? Can we? If not, why blast countries?

 

[Ave Maria]

I think that all the nations in the world should gather up all of their nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction, put them all on a big rocket, and send it out to the outer edges of our solar system and then detonate it significantly far enough away from planets or moons. This way we can all be rid of them. But this would have to be done all at once. I mean, I honestly don't blame Israel for not wanting to get rid of their weapons when they know that the nations surrounding them also have the weapons. Its more of a deterrent than anything. But in honesty, I'd love to see the complete and total safe destruction of weapons of mass destruction.

 

[dad]

I think that all the nations in the world should gather up all of their nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction, put them all on a big rocket, and send it out to the outer edges of our solar system and then detonate it significantly far enough away from planets or moons. This way we can all be rid of them. But this would have to be done all at once.

Here here! Got my vote.

I mean, I honestly don't blame Israel for not wanting to get rid of their weapons when they know that the nations surrounding them also have the weapons. Its more of a deterrent than anything.

I disagree. They say Israel might use them on Iran's facilities, tactical nuke bunker busters. If men have thenm, they will one day use them. If Israel has them, Iran can have them, and Libyia, and everyone. If the US wants anyone to have no nukes, IT needs to lead the way by example! The cost could not possibly be as great as using them.

 

[NeoScribe]

In terms of military power, the United States doesn't need its nuclear weaponry to be considered a threat, and by know everbody has figured out we'll never use them again anyways. The problem is that if the US destroyed all its nukes, there would be no way to ensure other nations would follow, especially since we wouldnt have our nuclear weight to throw around. And if Isreal kissed its nuclear program goodbye, the world could kiss Ireal goodbye. I'm all for peace and disarmerment of WMD's but not everyone, and not everyones leaders feel the same same way. Optimistical, but unfortunetly not very practicle.

 

[dad]

In terms of military power, the United States doesn't need its nuclear weaponry to be considered a threat, and by know everbody has figured out we'll never use them again anyways. The problem is that if the US destroyed all its nukes, there would be no way to ensure other nations would follow, especially since we wouldnt have our nuclear weight to throw around.

No, we would have to look to God more. Better than blowing the world to hell. But the action would carry a lot of weight. It would also garner a lot of moral suppport worldwide. Currency the US has long lost.

And if Isreal kissed its nuclear program goodbye, the world could kiss Ireal goodbye.

So, before it had nukes, it could not have existed? But it did. I think if they loved their neighbors and treated them right they would have a lot better chances. Right now, they treat the Plaestineans a lot like they were treated in the last century. They are not the people of God since Jesus came. They have no rights to some Arab land God's people used to live on, when His people were blood relatives of them. They came in and took it by force and continue to do so. I cannot support them holding the land by nuclear threat, sorry.

I'm all for peace and disarmerment of WMD's but not everyone, and not everyones leaders feel the same same way. Optimistical, but unfortunetly not very practicle.

So, everyone lay down your nukes, that I don't like, then is your philosophy. Only your side could agree with that, so men are doomed if all follow your advice.

 

[ducktapehero]

Getting rid of nukes would be nice but it aint gonna happen. And letting Iran have them "just to be fair" is not an option for Israel. Israel has had them for quite some time but has refrained from using them. Iran OTOH has already threatened Israel wth destruction. If you were Israel would you be more concerned with your survival or being fair? Getting rid of your weapons and hoping your enemies do the same is just not smart thinking.

 

[dad]

Getting rid of nukes would be nice but it aint gonna happen.

The way they will get rid of them is using them on men, I guess.

And letting Iran have them "just to be fair" is not an option for Israel.

Did I ask what was an option for Israel? that is one little country. It has no more rights than any other country on earth. It has no devine right to have holocaust weapons!

Israel has had them for quite some time but has refrained from using them.

My, that was nice of them.

Iran OTOH has already threatened Israel wth destruction.

When you bug your neighbors, that is the kind of reaction that eventually might come. The solution is being nice, and not being the bad guys Iran accuses them of being. Israel needs to work it out with it's own neighbors.

If you were Israel would you be more concerned with your survival or being fair?

Personally, I would return much of the land, and move, unless invited by the good graces of the good people, largely christian, who happen to live there, before I kicked them out! Besides, Israel is one concern. Palestine is one concern. Syria is one, etc. One may not have nuclear weapons. Someons suggested Kennedy felt that way as well, and was planning to speak up. Unfortunately, he never lived that long, maybe that would have changed the picture there?

Getting rid of your weapons and hoping your enemies do the same is just not smart thinking.

I didn't say get rid of weapons, I said Nukes. That is smart. Even if the US, and other countries who laid them down were to suffer for so doing, I think God would care for them if they looked to Him. At least the suffereing would be for righteousness sake then, not like now.

 

[NeoScribe]

If I implied that I dont like the idea of worldwide nuclear disarmerment, I must have typed something incorrectly. I do support the idea, but I can see that if is ever to happen, it will not happen for a very, very long time. Most of us see no reason to fire, or own nuclear weaponry, but for the countries that have more recently joined the "Nulear Club" as they call it, Nukes=respect and power. They arent going to give up their new positions in the world. And the Isrealis and Palistinians treat each other like dirt. I stronly disagree with the way Isreal is handelling thr resettlement issue, but its not just a one way street. And the Palistenians werent forced to leave, they were encouraged to by the neighboring countries before the first war. Isreal's already been reduced in size before, to get them to do it again would be like asking the US to give up the western states. Why dont the other countries around Isreal give the Palistinians some land. It not like they dont have plenty of it.

In case my original message didnt get across; Destroy all nukes! Somehow...

 

[dad]

If I implied that I dont like the idea of worldwide nuclear disarmerment, I must have typed something incorrectly. I do support the idea, but I can see that if is ever to happen, it will not happen for a very, very long time.

Actually, it will happen quite soon. WE, as new leaders of the world after Jesus returns will insist on it. They will turn their weapons into ploughs.

Most of us see no reason to fire, or own nuclear weaponry, but for the countries that have more recently joined the "Nulear Club" as they call it, Nukes=respect and power.

You mean Iran. I hear they are a decade away from bombs. They mean the nuclear power club. Israel is the only one in the area there with bombs. Many also want to have them because of this. That is where the problem lies.

They arent going to give up their new positions in the world. And the Isrealis and Palistinians treat each other like dirt. I stronly disagree with the way Isreal is handelling thr resettlement issue, but its not just a one way street.

It never is.

And the Palistenians werent forced to leave, they were encouraged to by the neighboring countries before the first war. Isreal's already been reduced in size before, to get them to do it again would be like asking the US to give up the western states. Why dont the other countries around Isreal give the Palistinians some land. It not like they dont have plenty of it.

I think the issue is that Israel claims to be God's people still, despite killing Jesus, and claims special rights there. Others, many Christian Arabs, have been forced out, had their homes and orchards buldozed, and fences built over their lands etc. I do not believe Israel has any rights at all more than anyone else on the planet. The people ther, in my opinion that ARE God's people are the Christians, which in that area, happen to be mostly Arabs!

In case my original message didnt get across; Destroy all nukes! Somehow...

Amen. I agree. I know it will not happen with wicked men. There will be nuclear war, as the bible fortells. But I thought it would be great if the US would lead the way, and be the good guys. But even if no one does, I can still have an opinion, We can also know right from wrong, and I say WOMD are WRONG, get rid of them.

 

[NeoScribe]

Truth, WMDs will have no place in the Millenial Kingdom, although how they plan to turn nukes into ploughs will be an interesting process to watch!

However, Isreal still has a part to play in the End of Days. Other people call this the Church age or the Time of the Gentiles. Isreal still gets one last chance before the Second Coming.

God Bless!

 

[dad]

Truth, WMDs will have no place in the Millenial Kingdom, although how they plan to turn nukes into ploughs will be an interesting process to watch!

Well, at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ, the surface of the earth gets burned with fire, that will do it! The mountains will even be lower after, and there will be no more sea. A beautiful, clean, renewed new earth.

However, Isreal still has a part to play in the End of Days. Other people call this the Church age or the Time of the Gentiles.

Yes, as does the antichrist, and even His people now, the Christians.

Isreal still gets one last chance before the Second Coming.

True, some will repent when they see Him coming, wiping out the antichrist forces at the gatse of Jerusalem. That is when they will look on Him whom they have pierced, as the bible puts it.

 

[NeoScribe]

I can't remember if it was 1/3 or 2/3 that get saved. And do WMD's play a part in the End of Days? (e.i. Will the Earth go dark 'cuase all the dust from mushroom clouds, or will God supernaturally cause a third of the sun, moon, and stars to go out.)

 

[dad]

I can't remember if it was 1/3 or 2/3 that get saved. And do WMD's play a part in the End of Days? (e.i. Will the Earth go dark 'cuase all the dust from mushroom clouds, or will God supernaturally cause a third of the sun, moon, and stars to go out.)

Zech 14:12 - And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. Yes the use of nuclear weapons was foretold, with thesymptoms. Also an endtime power refered to as Babylon the Great will be destroyed and burned with fire in one hour.

AS for Some of Israel getting saved, yes I believe it. At the gates of Jerusalem, when all is almost lost, and the antichrist hordes are about to wipe them out, Jesus comes back. Sounds like quite a few there will finally repent, as they see Him, whom they have pierced

As to the numbers you think you remember I would guess that axtually refers to something else, and someone applied it to Israel. Like when a third of the grass on earth is burned up etc? Unless you get specific, I can't remember that one.

 

[NeoScribe]

I cant either, thats why I asked. But I know God has a thing for 1/3 (and 7). But can you be sure these are nukes and not supernatural? I just want to keep my mind open.

 

[dad]

I cant either, thats why I asked. But I know God has a thing for 1/3 (and 7). But can you be sure these are nukes and not supernatural? I just want to keep my mind open.

I know it is widely believed that the bible refered to nuclear weapons. The symptoms are right there, like eyes melting out of their sockets, etc, as was seen at Hiroshima. Some other things, as I mentioned also indicate it must be, like a huge power being destroyed by fire in one hour. But I can't say I am sure. I do do believe it, though.

There is a case where the earth will be burned by fire from heaven, at the end of the millenium as well. I don't think this has anything to do with nuclear. It is just the earth being cleaned up, renewed, and made into the new earth, at the time the new heavens are revealed also.

 

[NeoScribe]

If they were nukes I wonder why John never mentioned giant mushroom clouds in Reveltions.

 

[dad]

If they were nukes I wonder why John never mentioned giant mushroom clouds in Reveltions.

If you mean near where the end times are described, rather than the fire after the millenium, it does mentiomn a few things.
Like a grevious plague, and sores, and that great 'city' burned with fire in an hour, and the sky being almost dark, with the moon looking red, and trees burned up, etc.
I think it they fired a nuke in the upper atmosphere, it would disrupt things that run on an electic current, like electronic circuits in some modern guns, and airplanes, and vehicles. Possibly one reason so many horses were used in the battles! ( I think they may even have emp weapons now)

 

[jak]

Hindsight after the Lord returns will tell us whether nuclear warfare was what the Bible was referring to!!

Till then, we have no way of being sure...and it's not really very important in influencing the way we should choose to live now.

From our side, we are called to be Jesus' followers, seeking peace, making peace.

Yes, very very seldom, very rarely, just wars may need to be fought...but I agree that as Christains, we should be constantly talking peace and trying to reduce all kinds of confrontation and skirmishing, reducing all kinds of weapons, downsizing armies...and seeing its terrible effects, should try to totally ban nuclear weapons globally.