Who said one had to achieve perfection? But is it not desirable to achieve as close to perfection in this life as possible? But even to achieve this, it is not by man's own power, but by the power of God in His Grace . .atoborch said:
So I made no assumption as you claim above, and I didn't see anyone else make such an assumption.
But the argument is whether one has to submit to God's will or not . . this is not a discussion on perfection, this is a discussion of an attitude of the heart and an action of the will in response to God's Grace . . if that is absent, if one does not submit to God's will, then their faith is meaningless . .
Now, I am speaking in general, not of specific instances . . but if one fails to submit to God's will, then one has the opportunity to repent and receive forgiveness and go forward . .
But to say one does not have to submit to God's will to be saved is a blatantly false statement and not in line with the whole of scripture .
And. as far as perfection goes, this is what Jesus said:
Pretty strong words to swallow if one thinks that Christ does not require perfection . .
The difference in our perspectives is that you seem to see this as man trying to achieve it under his own power, which is impossible .
We see it as being achieved through a complete surrender to God by HIS power, not our own, but involving our Free Will being exercised to choose to respond to His Grace . . so we can never accomplish this in our own power, neither would we try . .
It is ALL about GRACE - God's Divine Sanctifying Grace operating in our lives . .
This Divine Sanctifying Grace is more than just mere favor, it is the infusion of the very life and power of God which enables us to live for Him, to experience the marriage of faith and works in our life which releases more Divine Sanctifying Grace, and thus the cycle continues as long as we exercise our free will to choose to respond to this Divine Sanctifying Grace of God operational in our lives . .
IT is ALL about Grace!!!
Peace in Him!
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