Hiv/aids

[Antoninus Verus]

Once a cure for HIV/AIDS is found, the inevitable question becomes how to distribute it.

So how do you distribute a cure to the world's worst plague in history? Do you give it out for free? Who pays the cost if you do that? What about selling it for low prices? What about the poor who cant afford it? If they dont get the cure, the virus will spread again to the rest of society.

 

[Alecto]

I think it would be a moral obligation to freely distribute the vaccine

 

[Electric Sceptic]

AIDS isn't even close to the worst plague in history.

 

[Arnold_Philips]

AIDS isn't even close to the worst plague in history.

It's actually in 2nd place and will soon overtake the Black Plague.
http://wcau-tvhealth.ip2m.com/index.cfm?pt=itemDetail&item_id=50037&site_cat_id=14

 

[Arnold_Philips]

And yes, it should be free or incredibly cheap. The government should pay for it.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

It's actually in 2nd place and will soon overtake the Black Plague.
http://wcau-tvhealth.ip2m.com/index.cfm?pt=itemDetail&item_id=50037&site_cat_id=14

Well I'll be .......d. I had no idea it was so high. I stand corrected.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

I'm pretty sure we didn't charge people much to eradicate things like Polio. We shouldn't if we cure AIDS.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Once a cure for HIV/AIDS is found, the inevitable question becomes how to distribute it.

So how do you distribute a cure to the world's worst plague in history? Do you give it out for free? Who pays the cost if you do that? What about selling it for low prices? What about the poor who cant afford it? If they dont get the cure, the virus will spread again to the rest of society.

Correction, it will spread (continued or spread again) to a particular part of society. Last I checked it was transferred as a result of certain events and not by some airborne or simple contact means.
The saddest victim is the child born with the early death sentence given by the parents. Some can continue grasping at a remedy to a symptom only to continue the behavior and I'll stick to addressing the root cause.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

I think it would be a moral obligation to freely distribute the vaccine

Why?

 

[butterfoot]

Why?

Why not? This is a safety issue for the public. Who is to say that a woman meets and falls in love with a man who has aids? She has been a good Christian and remained a virgin. The man isn't aware he has aids. They later find out but after it was to late. You say the government shouldn't give away the cure. I think they should give it away for the simple fact that we could completely get rid of this killer.



-cw

 

[NothingButTheBlood]

Once a cure for HIV/AIDS is found, the inevitable question becomes how to distribute it.

So how do you distribute a cure to the world's worst plague in history? Do you give it out for free? Who pays the cost if you do that? What about selling it for low prices? What about the poor who cant afford it? If they dont get the cure, the virus will spread again to the rest of society.

I guess it will work the way most meds do. Those with a doctor will go and get it done via insurance or pay for it and those less less fortunate will go to clinics and health departments for it. There would be groups I'm sure who would begin buying the cure for distrubution for free in third world countries like Africa much like they do for other medicines. Chemotherapy isn't free to everyone with cancer why would the aids/hiv cure be?

 

[Spinrad]

Correction, it will spread (continued or spread again) to a particular part of society. Last I checked it was transferred as a result of certain events and not by some airborne or simple contact means.
The saddest victim is the child born with the early death sentence given by the parents. Some can continue grasping at a remedy to a symptom only to continue the behavior and I'll stick to addressing the root cause.

What a hero.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Why not? This is a safety issue for the public. Who is to say that a woman meets and falls in love with a man who has aids? She has been a good Christian and remained a virgin. The man isn't aware he has aids. They later find out but after it was to late. You say the government shouldn't give away the cure. I think they should give it away for the simple fact that we could completely get rid of this killer.



-cw

It was a simple question that I had hoped would spur a reality we must also consider... something that didn't occur. Why should our limited resources be devoted to something that is directly dealing with behavior/actions and in that devotion, takes away from other needs that are also important... such as the elderly, the poor, other health needs. IOW - the feel good "this should be everyone's cause" never seems to address that other societal needs end up getting ignored, are more important or more to the point are not a consequence of a given immoral act (generally speaking). May seem a bit rough, but real life has that aspect about it and resources are not a matter of making them up. That's not to say that I disagree with research in finding a cure or in distributing the cure, but it is to say that a justification needs to be made to those other needs which will be robbed to cater to this cause. I have to prioritize my resources at home and make judgment calls to competing needs/wants, this is no different.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

What a hero.

Its reality, I look at the statistics from health organizations, the CDC, etc., consider what it is a result of and have to make a decision on how valuable it is to help some starving child in a foreign country, devote time and effort to the poor or elderly, visit and/or help the imprisoned... or help removing the consequences of what is generally speaking a result of immoral behavior. Given that I do not have the ability to simply wave a magic wand and make up resources at whim, I have to make a call and removing consequences is kinda low on that list - not off the list, but taking back seat to others. Welcome to the harsh realities of life.

 

[Rochir]

Last I checked it was transferred as a result of certain events and not by some airborne or simple contact means.

HIV/AIDS can and does affect all parts of society, not only a specific segement any longer!

 

[ChristianCenturion]

HIV/AIDS can and does affect all parts of society, not only a specific segement any longer!

I'm an American and looking at the facts involving my environment, homosexual activities and drug use seems to be the major statistic. Nope, your unsupported opinion doesn't prove otherwise.[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm#exposure

I don't fear AIDS; but then again, I don't fear death in general.[/font]

 

[Arikereba]

I'm an American and looking at the facts involving my environment, homosexual activities and drug use seems to be the major statistic. Nope, your unsupported opinion doesn't prove otherwise.[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/font]

Yes, there are people who are at higher risk than others.
That doesn't mean that we can say that it ONLY affects a specific segment, though.

My opinion? Corporations aren't there to be ethical, they're there to make a profit, and nobody'd be working on a cure just to give it away for free. That's life in capitalism. We just can't reasonably expect a free cure.

But I am confident that a one-time cure would at least be more affordable than the $9000-$12,000 a year that a regimen of protease inhibitors now costs.

 

[butterfoot]

It was a simple question that I had hoped would spur a reality we must also consider... something that didn't occur. Why should our limited resources be devoted to something that is directly dealing with behavior/actions and in that devotion, takes away from other needs that are also important... such as the elderly, the poor, other health needs. IOW - the feel good "this should be everyone's cause" never seems to address that other societal needs end up getting ignored, are more important or more to the point are not a consequence of a given immoral act (generally speaking). May seem a bit rough, but real life has that aspect about it and resources are not a matter of making them up. That's not to say that I disagree with research in finding a cure or in distributing the cure, but it is to say that a justification needs to be made to those other needs which will be robbed to cater to this cause. I have to prioritize my resources at home and make judgment calls to competing needs/wants, this is no different.

Just because of the manner in which they got the disease doesn't mean we shouldn't help those that have it. This is a society issue not a Religious/Secular issue.

-cw

 

[Spinrad]

Its reality, I look at the statistics from health organizations, the CDC, etc., consider what it is a result of and have to make a decision on how valuable it is to help some starving child in a foreign country, devote time and effort to the poor or elderly, visit and/or help the imprisoned... or help removing the consequences of what is generally speaking a result of immoral behavior. Given that I do not have the ability to simply wave a magic wand and make up resources at whim, I have to make a call and removing consequences is kinda low on that list - not off the list, but taking back seat to others. Welcome to the harsh realities of life.

You are one powerful so and so, as well as a hero. You may be the ubermensch.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Just because of the manner in which they got the disease doesn't mean we shouldn't help those that have it. This is a society issue not a Religious/Secular issue.

-cw

I didn't take that position, friend. I may have come close; but if my posts are seen, I have clarified that I do not advocate 'against' giving to this cause nor do I say every person reaps what they sow; however, I'm not going to hide from the facts and declare as some may that this need surpasses any other need (not referring to your comments). I would be interested in seeing an accurate analysis of how much we already give as citizen and Nation to this cause compared to others... say the poor, imprisoned, cancer, etc. I know that Bush has been ridiculed constantly on this and the billions and billions given via his pen/our tax dollars has surpassed previous administrations and is constantly raised... yet, it still doesn't seem to be 'enough' for some.

All I ask is justification, accountability and repeat that this wouldn't be an issue if God's wisdom be observed. If some feel justified in personal commentaries (speaking of others again) for voicing that common sense approach, well then "fire away, but I'm not as easily bullied." :o