Hit It, and Repent It.

[Lionroot]

When fornication is not adultery, what is the general teaching if your church?

I have heard church preachers recommend a repent and abandon strategy, but thats not Biblical. Right?

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

 

[Harry3142]

Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. (Hebrews 13:4,NIV)

Adultery, fornication, homosexuality, and other acts that are not part of the recognized marriage bed, all have this in common: They are the outgrowth of narcissism, rather than compassion. Even in the case of fornication, there is the attitude of the partners to the act that they will enjoy the rewards that are earned by those who have chosen to make a commitment to each other, even though they themselves have not chosen to make that commitment to each other.

There is an old saying that many have only heard the first half of. It's this: "You get what you pay for, and you pay for what you get." Those who freely choose to accept the responsibilities that attend sexual relations, and confirm their acceptance of these responsibilities through marriage, find the responsibilities approaching them simply as part of their ongoing existence. But those who conspire to 'taste the fruit' without accepting the responsibilities, find the consequences of their act bearing down on them like a tidal wave.

 

[Lionroot]

Good word, Harry.

Unfortunately it doesn't address the OP.

So Harry, if your single, and you seduce a single lady, what course would you take? Would you repent the sin and abandon the girl? Or does the Bible suggest another course of action?

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

 

[Harry3142]

Lionroot-

The person is to marry the girl. Unlike other activities, the consequences of sexual relations may not be known for weeks, so the girl has the right to have the support of her partner on a continual basis. Also, the girl has the right to a solid relationship which will help her satisfy her needs on a regular basis (both men and women have testosterone).

Real life is not a movie or TV show. There are numerous complications that can occur following sexual relations which will never be shown in a theater or on TV. This is why it is necesary for both partners to be in a committed relationship, because only then are they both prepared for the complications that may ensue.

 

[Lionroot]

So Harry,

Is that what your church practices? How do they hold these men accountable?

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

 

[Harry3142]

So Harry,

Is that what your church practices? How do they hold these men accountable?

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

Marriage is a decision that is up to the individuals involved in the union. However, the church is clear that the burden is not to be solely borne by the girl. Both parties are seen as responsible. In the few cases I know of, the partners have married as a natural progression of their affection for each other.

 

[Lionroot]

So they would be equally okay with it if he abandons her...thats a sad state

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

 

[Cuddles333]

Hit It, and Repent It.

When fornication is not adultery, what is the general teaching if your church?

I have heard church preachers recommend a repent and abandon strategy, but thats not Biblical. Right?

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

When 'fornication' is not adultery .

We are seeing what has happened to Bible teaching because some earlier scholars took it upon themselves to mistranslate the Koine Greek word 'pornia' to mean any kind of sexual thing the current church deems to be immoral. The original (and the correct) meaning of 'pornia' is to have sex with either a male or female religious pagan prostitute to appease their deity.

The reason we have such difficulty with sex outside of marriage today is because we do not have our 16 year olds married like they did in the 1st century and earlier.

Today, 'fornication' does not exist, so there can be no spiritual adultery taking place by the single people referred to in the OP.

 

[Lionroot]

Cuddles...

Wow!

I guess we will have to take your word for it. So you read ancient Greek? Certainly you have some credentials, to support your pronouncement...

How could we have been so blind...I feel so liberated now...Jesus lets me have sex with anyone whom doesn't work for a pagan temple.

Thanks for opening my eyes...

Want to cuddle...; p

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

 

[chuck77]

LOL, thanks Lionroot, for the laughs (starting with "Hit it and repent it") and the rest of the thread in general. It was fun to read (so far).

 

[Lionroot]

Thanks Chuck,

It would be funnier if it want so sad.
The liberal agenda has invaded the "church", and the victims are largely women.

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

 

[Armistead14]

As someone mentioned correctly that fornication comes from the latin word fornix. A fornix, basically is latin for arch. In the pagan sex temples the prostitutes basically worked under these archways and the slang word for their work became fornication. In biblical times and for hundreds of years after, fornication meant nothing but prostitution, usally with pagan worship. In several european nations it holds to the same definition today, simply prostitution and not applied to other sexual activity.

The word pornia is greek and used in the NT and any activity related to pornia is always defined in the bible, premartial sex is never mentioned as pornia. It's defined because pornia activity was not only spiritually wrong, but in most areas legally wrong. Biblically pornia and fornication have nothing to do with one another, but starting about 400AD the political/religious church had needs to control sexulality and often they redefined pornia as fornication. As scripture was retranslated over and over by different councils often fornication was used to translate pornia which is misleading and totally biblically false. As the church progressed fornication became a catch all word for any sexual activity they claimed sinful. There were even times if married people had sex for any other reasons to procreate some church leaders said they were fornicating.

Premarital sex was hardly a problem back then, actually marriage was allowed at 12.5 years of age, most were either married or promised to marriage by 13-14 years old.

Premarital sex was allowed under jewish biblical law as long as you followed the laws. The NT really does not mention it. Many claim all the advice to marry in the NT somehow make singles sex sinful, but the culture then was much different, women were still property, virgin status has monetary value, etc..

 

[GQ Chris]

CF is funny, there are many professed Christians here who would give a pass to fornication. Scripture strictly forbids it.

 

[Cuddles333]

I think it is very noble of any teen or adult single person to try to save themself for marriage...if they can. Most cannot resist their body's powerful desire though, and end up having sex a number of times before they find the person they want to marry.

I think that since we do not have the same society as the Biblical days where 16 year olds (and younger) are married, that since the scriptures do not address this...then neither should we. Be silent where the Bible is silent.

 

[Armistead14]

CF is funny, there are many professed Christians here who would give a pass to fornication. Scripture strictly forbids it.

Fornication was and is sinful, christians should not pass it, nor should christains redefine how the word was actually used in that period to suit their own agenda. Many biblical words have been redefined, as some one mentioned often scripture was silent on issues, sadly man felt the need to create doctrines from silence as cultures evolved. We shouldn't add to the word of God.

 

[liars_paradox]

When fornication is not adultery, what is the general teaching if your church?

I have heard church preachers recommend a repent and abandon strategy, but thats not Biblical. Right?

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

How does that scripture relate to fornication???


I think that the repent and abandon strategy is just simply the logical conclusion that can draw from scripture. If you truly mean that you're sorry for what you're doing, then you'd likely try not to do it anymore, right?

If I kept jabbing you with a pencil over and over, telling that I'm sorry won't matter after the tenth time, right?

 

[MasterpieceMesias]

(@liarsparadox)your username is quite clever, kudos to you, sir.

 

[Lionroot]

How does that scripture relate to fornication???

nothing whatsoever. it's a signature from my phone app.

I think that the repent and abandon strategy is just simply the logical conclusion that can draw from scripture.

really can you cite two scriptures that support that opinion specifically about this subject?

If you truly mean that you're sorry for what you're doing, then you'd likely try not to do it anymore, right?

If I kept jabbing you with a pencil over and over, telling that I'm sorry won't matter after the tenth time, right?

let's go further let's say I was stabbing you with a knife should I just leave you to bleed out on the ground? having repented don't I owe you something? to mend your wounds? to heal you up? the good samaritan did that for a complete stranger. he didn't even inflict the wounds. he did not owe that guy anything.

why did you choose a pencil? is it because you do not think that fornication is very serious? that treating a woman like a harlot will not harm her?

From my phone....
Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

 

[Christ is Love]

The way I see it is this; an action can either promote God's values, or it can insult those values. If it insults them (this would cover adultery, sexual promiscuity, etc) then repent and cease to do it.

 

[Nanopants]

The original (and the correct) meaning of 'pornia' is to have sex with either a male or female religious pagan prostitute to appease their deity.

This is interesting. Can you provide a source?

Although, I think I may have to disagree in that to the early Church the meaning was not so narrowly defined:

It is actually reported [that there is] sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles--that a man has his father's wife! (1 Cr 5:1)

The word for sexual immorality here is "porneia" and it is being used in a different sense. It does, however, remain as an elusive term.