History of Abortion in the U.S.A.

[CatsRule2020]

The surprising history of abortion in the United States | CNN

I always thought that this issue did not go back as far as the late 1700s .

 

[essentialsaltes]

Yep, in the era of the Founding Fathers, abortion was accepted in English common law, and that also pertained to the colonies and early America.

In the 18th century and until about 1880, abortions were allowed under common law and widely practiced. They were illegal only after “quickening,” the highly subjective term used to describe when pregnant women could feel the fetus moving, Reagan said.

 

[98cwitr]

The surprising history of abortion in the United States | CNN

I always thought that this issue did not go back as far as the late 1700s .

Actually goes back to ancient Rome and Greece. See Didache 2:2; as well as the documented cases in the Bible and other ancient texts.

We had little insight in fetal development before the imaging technology we have today. With science on the side of life, I think we can soon end this crisis.

What will be the true uphill battle will be unbrainwashing people from believing that a mother killing their own children is somehow a virtuous "right"

 

[Tiberius Lee]

What will be the true uphill battle will be unbrainwashing people from believing that a mother killing their own children is somehow a virtuous "right"

This is where I completely see opposite of evangelical Christians who claim to be pro-life. As a born-again Christian, if I want to reduce abortion, I don’t need to un- brainwashed any one about abortion or ban abortion or change law about abortion or defund planned parenthood.. What I need to do is preach the gospel and bring people to Christ and let Holy Spirit do the work.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

We had little insight in fetal development before the imaging technology we have today. With science on the side of life, I think we can soon end this crisis.

Science tells us that fetuses don’t develop higher brain functions until after the first trimester. So we know they aren’t persons. I don’t see how that helps your case...

 

[Greengardener]

Science tells us that fetuses don’t develop higher brain functions until after the first trimester. So we know they aren’t persons. I don’t see how that helps your case...

I'm curious about your point about higher brain function: how does Science determine this? And even if higher brain function isn't there or perhaps isn't provable at that point, what makes that a criteria for the fetus to be a person? It would seem to me that we all started out equally vulnerable and demonstrating much lower brain function at that stage than we do as adults.

 

[Aldebaran]

Science tells us that fetuses don’t develop higher brain functions until after the first trimester. So we know they aren’t persons. I don’t see how that helps your case...

"Science" has been known to contradict himself quite a bit lately.

 

[Pommer]

I'm curious about your point about higher brain function: how does Science determine this? And even if higher brain function isn't there or perhaps isn't provable at that point, what makes that a criteria for the fetus to be a person? It would seem to me that we all started out equally vulnerable and demonstrating much lower brain function at that stage than we do as adults.

A potential human being would likely need to have an actual, physical brain before expecting “brain functions”.

 

[CatsRule2020]

I'm curious about your point about higher brain function: how does Science determine this? And even if higher brain function isn't there or perhaps isn't provable at that point, what makes that a criteria for the fetus to be a person? It would seem to me that we all started out equally vulnerable and demonstrating much lower brain function at that stage than we do as adults.

Evolution (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

If we want to get real technical about 'personhood this is about as scary as you can get.

 

[Pommer]

Evolution (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

If we want to get real technical about 'personhood this is about as scary as you can get.

A “person” (in the legal sense), does not breathe amniotic fluid. A full-term fetus is a human being at that point but not yet a “person”, (legally).

 

[hislegacy]

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[hislegacy]

Abortion stops a beating heart.

 

[hislegacy]

If you are going to study the history of abortion in the US, one has to objectively look also at the largest abortion provider. Planned Parenthood and its founder Margaret Sanger.

Margaret Sanger was a racist eugenics advocate who shouldn't be honored

In promoting birth control, she advanced a controversial "Negro Project," wrote in her autobiography about speaking to a Ku Klux Klan group and advocated for a eugenics approach to breeding for “the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extinction, of defective stocks — those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.”

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[98cwitr]

This is where I completely see opposite of evangelical Christians who claim to be pro-life. As a born-again Christian, if I want to reduce abortion, I don’t need to un- brainwashed any one about abortion or ban abortion or change law about abortion or defund planned parenthood.. What I need to do is preach the gospel and bring people to Christ and let Holy Spirit do the work.

I agree, but just as with murder, robbery, rape, and a host of other heinous crimes, the law must both deter and punish the guilty. Unless you wish to make a case for undoing those laws as well, I don't see the relevance of "leaving abortion legal" just because it is right now.

 

[98cwitr]

Science tells us that fetuses don’t develop higher brain functions until after the first trimester. So we know they aren’t persons. I don’t see how that helps your case...

Because science is clear that life begins at conception. As far as living human vs. "personhood" argument; this is just a factor of time. It's like seeing your parent go on life support due to a car accident (or whatever), knowing they'll be okay in 3-4 months, but pulling the plug because you don't want to take care of them.

Heart beats at 5 weeks and when an abortion is performed, it's not the mother's heart that is stopped, but the baby's.

 

[KCfromNC]

This is where I completely see opposite of evangelical Christians who claim to be pro-life. As a born-again Christian, if I want to reduce abortion, I don’t need to un- brainwashed any one about abortion or ban abortion or change law about abortion or defund planned parenthood.. What I need to do is preach the gospel and bring people to Christ and let Holy Spirit do the work.

That plus comprehensive sex ed starting in middle school. At least if we go by the evidence.

 

[Desk trauma]

I agree, but just as with murder, robbery, rape, and a host of other heinous crimes, the law must both deter and punish the guilty. Unless you wish to make a case for undoing those laws as well, I don't see the relevance of "leaving abortion legal" just because it is right now.

I mean if any of those things had been made legal in 1973 and after decades of legality the rate of occurrence was lower now than during prohibition, like what happened with abortion....

 

[98cwitr]

I mean if any of those things had been made legal in 1973 and after decades of legality the rate of occurrence was lower now than during prohibition, like what happened with abortion....

There shouldn't be a "rate" of which viable babies, killed by doctors, should be accepted IMO.

 

[Desk trauma]

There shouldn't be a "rate" of which viable babies, killed by doctors, should be accepted IMO.

Yet leaving it legal has made that rate lower. Why then make it illegal if that is demonstratively less effective?

 

[98cwitr]

Yet leaving it legal has made that rate lower. Why then make it illegal if that is demonstratively less effective?

Because I firmly believe that making abortion illegal would prevent more abortions AND give justice to the dead babies of those who would still perform them. This seems very much common sense to me. Where's the justice for those who perform them now? Murder is murder, aside from the permissive will of the state.