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Whenever in any country or place,... Or deny how the spread of Christianity was by force and not genuine love of people wanting to come to Christ.
YhwhWouldn't your think that somewhere we would be inspired to observe it by even one of the writers of New Testament scripture?
There was only one time Christianity was spread by the sword, and that was the conversion of the Saxons by Charlemagne.Whenever in any country or place,
anyone was told "become Christian or die"
they don't become Christians,
they become either actors, or dead. (at least, that's what happened as far as I know).
So, throughout history (as verified millions/ billions of times)
in line with all of Scripture,
there were a lot dead, and a lot of actors.
Nothing has changed, really, has it ?
I don't have a clue what this has to do with the thread. The thread isn't about Judaism.Dear Brother or Sister in Christ,
I was reading this post about SDA and her heresies, I know you are not trying to hurt anyone's feelings and that I believe is very honorable. Some of my favorite people are Catholic so I want to say this very lovingly. The SDA church does not have it all figured out, but the Catholic and the Protestant Churches have their fair share of heresies. Below I have posted some historical information if you would like to review the totality of the information, I provided a link. I only pasted up to the 4th century, it gets even worse in the Dark ages and continuing in the 19-20 century leading to the holocaust. I am trying to say this as lovingly as possible, I think all Christians should review the their denomination's history before they throw stones at another denomination.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_antisemitism
A number of early and influential Church works — such as the dialogues of Justin Martyr, the homilies of John Chrysostom, and the testimonies of church father Cyprian — are strongly anti-Jewish.
During a discussion on the celebration of Easter during the First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, Roman emperor Constantine said,
...it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast we should follow the practice of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin, and are, therefore, deservedly afflicted with blindness of soul. (...) Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way.[11]
Prejudice against Jews in the Roman Empire was formalized in 438, when the Code of Theodosius II established Christianity as the only legal religion in the Roman Empire. The Justinian Code a century later stripped Jews of many of their rights, and Church councils throughout the 6th and 7th century, including the Council of Orleans, further enforced anti-Jewish provisions. These restrictions began as early as 305, when, in Elvira, (now Granada), a Spanish town in Andalucia, the first known laws of any church council against Jews appeared. Christian women were forbidden to marry Jews unless the Jew first converted to Catholicism. Jews were forbidden to extend hospitality to Catholics. Jews could not keep Catholic Christian concubines and were forbidden to bless the fields of Catholics. In 589, in Catholic Iberia, the Third Council of Toledo ordered that children born of marriage between Jews and Catholic be baptized by force. By the Twelfth Council of Toledo (681) a policy of forced conversion of all Jews was initiated (Liber Judicum, II.2 as given in Roth).[12] Thousands fled, and thousands of others converted to Roman Catholicism.
Yet many think their true roots came from the apostles. There have been many threads showing Xmas & Easter was a RCC invention and not anything the apostles celebrated, yet many disagree and say all sources are lies just copying each others lies. Or deny how the spread of Christianity was by force and not genuine love of people wanting to come to Christ.
I notice that you both are Messianic. Do you really believe you are free from heresies if you have bought into all their beliefs?.1John2:4 said: ↑
Dear Brother or Sister in Christ,
I was reading this post about SDA and her heresies, I know you are not trying to hurt anyone's feelings and that I believe is very honorable. Some of my favorite people are Catholic so I want to say this very lovingly. The SDA church does not have it all figured out, but the Catholic and the Protestant Churches have their fair share of heresies. Below I have posted some historical information if you would like to review the totality of the information, I provided a link. I only pasted up to the 4th century, it gets even worse in the Dark ages and continuing in the 19-20 century leading to the holocaust. I am trying to say this as lovingly as possible, I think all Christians should review the their denomination's history before they throw stones at another denomination.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_antisemitism
A number of early and influential Church works — such as the dialogues of Justin Martyr, the homilies of John Chrysostom, and the testimonies of church father Cyprian — are strongly anti-Jewish.
During a discussion on the celebration of Easter during the First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, Roman emperor Constantine said,
...it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast we should follow the practice of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin, and are, therefore, deservedly afflicted with blindness of soul. (...) Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way.[11]
Prejudice against Jews in the Roman Empire was formalized in 438, when the Code of Theodosius II established Christianity as the only legal religion in the Roman Empire. The Justinian Code a century later stripped Jews of many of their rights, and Church councils throughout the 6th and 7th century, including the Council of Orleans, further enforced anti-Jewish provisions. These restrictions began as early as 305, when, in Elvira, (now Granada), a Spanish town in Andalucia, the first known laws of any church council against Jews appeared. Christian women were forbidden to marry Jews unless the Jew first converted to Catholicism. Jews were forbidden to extend hospitality to Catholics. Jews could not keep Catholic Christian concubines and were forbidden to bless the fields of Catholics. In 589, in Catholic Iberia, the Third Council of Toledo ordered that children born of marriage between Jews and Catholic be baptized by force. By the Twelfth Council of Toledo (681) a policy of forced conversion of all Jews was initiated (Liber Judicum, II.2 as given in Roth).[12] Thousands fled, and thousands of others converted to Roman Catholicism.
Ditto for me. I chose to say non denominational to show no allegiance to organized religion. I am a Christian (born-again and-blood bought).I notice that you both are Messianic. Do you really believe you are free from heresies if you have bought into all their beliefs?.
I choose not to "belong". I have been there and done that. I am free in Christ and I carry no baggage from some well intentioned king fish. I claim the promises, fellowship with all Christians, have a personal relationship with Jesus and am strictly a New Testament Christian. I do not "keep" days or any other ritual that God gave only to Israel.
Are you Jewish? If you are not Jewish, why were you ever Messianic to begin with? If you are Jewish, why would you act Gentile? Those questions are not accusations... I'm generalizing and there are exceptions to rules, so I'm curious.I notice that you both are Messianic. Do you really believe you are free from heresies if you have bought into all their beliefs?.
I choose not to "belong". I have been there and done that. I am free in Christ and I carry no baggage from some well intentioned king fish. I claim the promises, fellowship with all Christians, have a personal relationship with Jesus and am strictly a New Testament Christian. I do not "keep" days or any other ritual that God gave only to Israel.
I notice that you both are Messianic. Do you really believe you are free from heresies if you have bought into all their beliefs?.
I choose not to "belong". I have been there and done that. I am free in Christ and I carry no baggage from some well intentioned king fish. I claim the promises, fellowship with all Christians, have a personal relationship with Jesus and am strictly a New Testament Christian. I do not "keep" days or any other ritual that God gave only to Israel.
I notice that you both are Messianic. Do you really believe you are free from heresies if you have bought into all their beliefs?.
I choose not to "belong". I have been there and done that. I am free in Christ and I carry no baggage from some well intentioned king fish. I claim the promises, fellowship with all Christians, have a personal relationship with Jesus and am strictly a New Testament Christian. I do not "keep" days or any other ritual that God gave only to Israel.
Only by birth and then only 1/2.Are you Jewish?
I became a Seventh-day Adventist and stayed one for 40 years.If you are not Jewish, why were you ever Messianic to begin with?
Ask away. I am a believer and follow the New Testament. The Holy Spirit is my guide. Old covenant rituals are history. Jesus is reality.If you are Jewish, why would you act Gentile? Those questions are not accusations... I'm generalizing and there are exceptions to rules, so I'm curious.
I also opened my eyes and allowed the Holy Spirit to guide me to the real truth. He opened my eyes to 1Jn3:19-24.Im not Messianic, non denominational. I dont follow the Talmud and I go to church on Sunday, but I have opened my eyes to all I have been taught to see if it is in line with the bible vs I have been taught by someone from theology school.
Who on God's green earth told you that? What happened to:If you claim to be a New Testament Christian, that means you have a relationship with Jesus and dont have one with God,
Someone has really done a number on you my friend. The old Testament is full of great lessons. It is part of the Holy Writ. That does not mean I am bound to laws that only pertained to Israel. I live by the new and better covenant. The old one has passed. The new one is unlike the one given only to Israelbecause you are to be a biblical Christian which is the entire bible, not disregard 66% of it.
Who told you that? Jesus gave the command to go to all nations of the world and spread the good newsYou dont keep days or rituals that God gave to Israel, even though the New Covenant and all the commands are to Israel,
Why are you writing you are sure, you don't know me. I know all that you mentioned are not found in scripture, but think about it, what is wrong with honoring Jesus birth? What is wrong with celebrating Jesus resurrection? Why do people try to make something dirty when it really is wonderful? Didn't Jesus tell us:but im sure you keep all the days and rituals that the RCC gave to man and follow them strictly.
You make a claim, but it sure looks like you are. The old covenant is great history. The new covenant is reality. You cannot be loyal to both. Either choose Jesus or Moses. Moses ended at the Cross.(just in passing , Bob S., I hope joyfully and honestly you mean you follow Jesus(yes, Jesus, Himself)
which is complete in line and harmony with all the Scripture ,
but
saying I follow (the NT) or (the OT) or (republican) or (democrat)
doesn't mean someone follows Jesus. )
It's not nitpicking - it's life and death difference between "letter of the law that kills" and "spirit of the law that brings life".
This was what you posted I was referring to. (your reply didn't answer).... I ... follow the New Testament.
This was what you posted I was referring to. (your reply didn't answer).
All of God's Word is absolutely true,
but if anyone just follows it as if a rule book, as if "good guide", without Jesus (even denying Jesus), then Jesus says it won't do them any good.
So I merely asked for clarification,
do you follow Jesus with the NT as His Word (which it is),
or
do you follow the NT (along with any other writings, OT or otherwise), without Jesus ?
(a lot of churches do that; so clarification is helpful)
I am sorry I don't know what you want me to say.This was what you posted I was referring to. (your reply didn't answer).
Do you believe I deny that?All of God's Word is absolutely true,
Are you insinuating.....?but if anyone just follows it as if a rule book, as if "good guide", without Jesus (even denying Jesus), then Jesus says it won't do them any good.
Have you even bothered to read my posts? If you had you wouldn't be asking such questions.So I merely asked for clarification,
do you follow Jesus with the NT as His Word (which it is),
or
do you follow the NT (along with any other writings, OT or otherwise), without Jesus ?
(a lot of churches do that; so clarification is helpful)
From some of your other posts, I simply expected you followed Jesus.Have you even bothered to read my posts? If you had you wouldn't be asking such questions.
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