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His Past Relationships...

ido

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You make it sound like knowing such things is bad in all cases when there could be a very good reason behind it.

No... I don't. I think it's important to know if a partner who has been sexually active in the past has/had an STD. But, I don't think having mulitple discussions about their sexual history is helpful or productive.

Also, I didn't see anything in her posts that showed she held anything against him, so the whole "forgive him" thing is a moot point, that and there's nothing to forgive or condemn in this situation. He didn't do anything to her. This was all stuff he did before he was in a relationship with her.

She posted a thread about struggling with her boyfriend's sexual past. If she is bothered by it, mostly b/c of her own personal convictions, then she needs to forgive him for the sin of premarital sex and move past it in their relationship. If she can't do that, then they shouldn't be in a relationship. It's really that simple. I'm not saying she is wrong for feeling the way she does, I'm just saying she needs to decide if she can live with it or not.

SLIGHTLY OFF-TOPIC + EDIT: I'm really starting to question this notion of forgiving/not forgiving someone by people when someone has made a decision pertaining to relationships/relationship boundaries that are outside the norm. Seriously, most people have things they simply cannot handle in a relationship and considering that this is all supposed to lead up to marriage, which is supposed to be a LIFETIME ARRANGEMENT and a POSITIVE LIFE-CHANGING EVENT, I think it's reasonable to have boundaries and limits, especially if you've been in a situation before where it's been proven that you can't handle it no matter how hard you try.

I'm not really sure what set you off on this rant, but I don't think anyone - especially not me - has said that she would be a bad person if she couldn't get past this issue. But, I do think it's unfair that she keep making HIM feel bad by crying and getting her feelings hurt when the discussion comes up - hence the suggestion that she forgive him and move past it, if she can. I know I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with someone who was constantly hanging a sin from my past over my head. She has reduced him to tears b/c he can't change his past and she can't move past it.

I think it's reasonable to suggest that she choose to forgive and move past or acknowledge that she can't live with his past and move on.
 
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Fair enough.

I wanna apologize if I came off as being angry in that post. I've had to deal with situations like this and similar to this and often times the people I'm dealing with are hardheaded/stubborn/difficult or are trying to manipulate me, so natural defenses come up and I become ANGRY INTERNET MAN. >:
 
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Ultimately it's up to you. A sexual past is either a deal-breaker or a relationship strengthener. There really is no middle ground here. Everyone has a past in one way or another, but some past decisions do leave lasting baggage that not only hurts the person who is reaping the consequences of their behavior, but people who grow close to them as well. I wasn't a virgin when I met my husband and neither was he. In fact, both of us had previously been married and had children from our previous marriages. I couldn't, realistically, expect to marry a virgin. There is nothing wrong, however, if you want that.

If it's about the issue of you striving to be a virgin until your wedding night and his past lack of wanting the same thing is what's bothering you then that is something you may be able to work through. If you're constantly mentally filling in the blanks and trying to picture what it was like and were they pretty, etc. then it will destroy the relationship because it will destroy your inner peace first.

I'll let you in on a secret, though, and it deals with this statement:

and the thought of it no longer being a special thing for him.

Some people may disagree with me, but you don't have to be a virgin on your wedding night for sex to be special. By no means am I saying go ahead and just do it with this young man because it will still be special. What I'm saying is if the two of you were to be married some day then being intimate with you will be the most special thing he's ever experienced.

I had been sexually assaulted as well as highly sexually promiscuous prior to meeting my husband. I also divorced a cheating, abusive husband at the age of nineteen and had a child. I assumed no man would want a serious relationship with me, so I fooled around a lot. I'm not proud of it. Anyone who tells you sleeping around is empowering is lying to you and themselves. It's a form of physical, spiritual and emotional bondage. Despite the both of us having previous partners, sex with my husband is not only very special, it's sacred. It's special because we're in love and we're soul mates and we have a mutual care and respect for one another. It is absolutely nothing like casual dating sex or one-night-stand sex.

In the long-run it will be up to you to decide if his past is going to effect your future.

ETA: I also agree with the opinion that knowing every sordid detail about a person's past relationships (including sexual encounters) is not beneficial to a relationship. It just adds confusion and feelings of insecurity. To me it's almost borderline perverse to want to know how good a previous partner was in bed, what they did together, how frequently they had relations, what their name was, what was their body like, etc. There is something to be said for tact and discretion, even in a serious relationship. I'm not condoning outright lying, but no one gains anything but heartache and jealousy from demanding the "dirt" on previous partners.
 
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I do think it's unfair that she keep making HIM feel bad by crying and getting her feelings hurt when the discussion comes up - hence the suggestion that she forgive him and move past it, if she can. I know I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with someone who was constantly hanging a sin from my past over my head. She has reduced him to tears b/c he can't change his past and she can't move past it.

Excuse me?!?!

I have NEVER EVER reduced him to tears...he has reduced himself to tears. HE brings it up because it is heavy on HIS own heart. I do not make him feel bad or put him down. I love him and hold him while he cries. HE volunteers the information because HE wants me to know about his past. I personally have never brought up the subject because I know how it hurts for him and I know how I feel about the subject. I have already explained to him that I do forgive him, although it's not my place to forgive him because he has done nothing against me. I have absolutely NOTHING again him or his past deeds.

Would you say that HE has reduced ME to tears because I have sobbed while telling him about my past? Or that he is making ME feel bad because I WANT HIM to know that I've been raped and abused? If he and I were to spend our life together, shouldn't I have a right to know about his past and he has a right to know about mine? Naturally...I don't want a lot of details just as he doesn't either. But if he needs to talk about it, I will listen.

I'm sorry to rant...but you make it sound as though it's my fault because he cries when he talks about it. He is hurt by his own past and WANTS to discuss it with me...he is not hurt by my response to it. I suppose next time I post something about someone crying around me I should specify on whether or not it's my fault.

The whole reason I posted here is so I can get some friendly advice and help on getting past it in the best possible way.

Sorry my post isn't longer, I just wanted to clarify.
 
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Lovely Lamb, i'm in quite a similar situation. My boyfriend only became a Christian a couple of years ago and he had sex with another girl before we started dating. My boyfriend and I are saving sex until marriage, but when I found out he wasn't a virgin I was ok at first, but then it started to really bother me. After a little while and at the right moment, I decided I would share with him how I felt about him not being a virgin. It really helped me, he was able to reassure me that he would never compare me with the other girl and that the other girl means nothing to him. He even asked me for forgiveness, because he feels terrible that he had sex with someone else.
I really encourage you to talk to your boyfriend!

Love and God bless,
Laura
 
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Excuse me?!?!

I have NEVER EVER reduced him to tears...he has reduced himself to tears. HE brings it up because it is heavy on HIS own heart. I do not make him feel bad or put him down. I love him and hold him while he cries. HE volunteers the information because HE wants me to know about his past. I personally have never brought up the subject because I know how it hurts for him and I know how I feel about the subject. I have already explained to him that I do forgive him, although it's not my place to forgive him because he has done nothing against me. I have absolutely NOTHING again him or his past deeds.

Would you say that HE has reduced ME to tears because I have sobbed while telling him about my past? Or that he is making ME feel bad because I WANT HIM to know that I've been raped and abused? If he and I were to spend our life together, shouldn't I have a right to know about his past and he has a right to know about mine? Naturally...I don't want a lot of details just as he doesn't either. But if he needs to talk about it, I will listen.

I'm sorry to rant...but you make it sound as though it's my fault because he cries when he talks about it. He is hurt by his own past and WANTS to discuss it with me...he is not hurt by my response to it. I suppose next time I post something about someone crying around me I should specify on whether or not it's my fault.

The whole reason I posted here is so I can get some friendly advice and help on getting past it in the best possible way.

Sorry my post isn't longer, I just wanted to clarify.

Convenient how you took out the one part of that post that you found offensive and ignored the rest of it. :doh:

Regarding the bolded part - if he needs to talk and you are going to be willing to listen, then you need to be willing to listen with the understanding that you are a "safe" person for him to talk to about his past. If he knows that his details of his past are hurting you and he continues to share them - and it upsets him to the point of tears (however he gets to that point), then your reactions to his details are not helpful to him. Maybe it would be better for him to talk to a counselor to resolve the guilt he has from his past.

Or, maybe, you could just let him know that if he asks forgiveness, he is forgiven and the guilt should be released. God's already forgiven him. He needs to forgive himself - and know that you have forgiven him or he will never be able to move past this.
 
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I started crying but I think he understood my jealousy and pain over it because he started crying too and asked me to forgive him. I told him that I did but it wasn't really my place to forgive him for that, and that he needed to forgive himself and he started sobbing.

FTR - this is the comment that you made that prompted me to make the comment that I made about reducing him to tears. His guilt isn't his own - it's brought on by how he knows his past makes you feel. You said it's not your place to forgive him (although you did) but he believes it is from what I am reading here.
 
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The church really does turn virginity into a god in and of itself. When one is forgiven by God, their past sin is then out of sight and out of mind in God's eyes. So isn't dwelling on our SO's past kind of putting our sin standards above God's? And if marrying a virgin is necessarily God's best or the highest standard, how would you explain the book of Hosea? Just a thought.
 
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The church really does turn virginity into a god in and of itself. When one is forgiven by God, their past sin is then out of sight and out of mind in God's eyes. So isn't dwelling on our SO's past kind of putting our sin standards above God's? And if marrying a virgin is necessarily God's best or the highest standard, how would you explain the book of Hosea? Just a thought.

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