hinduism

[rkan10]

Why has a year-old thread been revived?

Anyway, as to the issue you addressed, if I recall correctly, the only thing I said about the verses in question is that they are contained in the Rig Veda rather than the Gita. I haven't addressed the issue of whether or not they really advocate racism.

Does it matter ? Why not answer my question on your unwarranted claims ?

 

[arunma]

Does it matter ? Why not answer my question on your unwarranted claims ?

I thought I just did. I could certainly look up the pertinent verses if you'd like, but I think that would be pointless unless I know precisely what you wish to discuss. It may also be a good idea to start a new thread.

 

[rkan10]

It is irrelevant to you what my motives are ? Since you made a claim in the thread, provide the quote.

 

[arunma]

It is irrelevant to you what my motives are ? Since you made a claim in the thread, provide the quote.

Rkan, I think we have a failure to communicate here. I didn't make a claim. What I did was more clearly define a specific controversy, without taking a side in it (but then, this thread is from almost a full year ago, so I honestly don't remember very much about it). Do you disagree with me? If so, then so be it, but I am posing no argument here.

 

[rkan10]

Rkan, I think we have a failure to communicate here. I didn't make a claim. What I did was more clearly define a specific controversy, without taking a side in it (but then, this thread is from almost a full year ago, so I honestly don't remember very much about it). Do you disagree with me? If so, then so be it, but I am posing no argument here.

Since you made a claim of the presence of such a verse, I wonder if you are just writing some hearsay.

 

[arunma]

Since you made a claim of the presence of such a verse, I wonder if you are just writing some hearsay.

It certainly isn't hearsay. For example, the Griffiths translation of the Rig Veda says this,

He gained possession of the Sun and Horses, Indra obtained the Cow who feedeth many.
Treasure of gold he won; he smote the Dasyus, and gave protection to the Aryan colour. (Book 3, Hymn 34, Verse 9)
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This is one of the disputed verses to which I was referring. If you want to dispute it, then go ahead.

 

[srev2004]

It certainly isn't hearsay. For example, the Griffiths translation of the Rig Veda says this,

He gained possession of the Sun and Horses, Indra obtained the Cow who feedeth many.
Treasure of gold he won; he smote the Dasyus, and gave protection to the Aryan colour. (Book 3, Hymn 34, Verse 9)
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This is one of the disputed verses to which I was referring. If you want to dispute it, then go ahead.

it's funny there is no such thing known as aryan in Sanskrit. It is Arya, and arya means noble. And I doubt the sanskrit version of the world colour actually is referencing to colour in that context.

 

[arunma]

it's funny there is no such thing known as aryan in Sanskrit. It is Arya, and arya means noble. And I doubt the sanskrit version of the world colour actually is referencing to colour in that context.

If you say so. I don't really care either way.

 

[rkan10]

It certainly isn't hearsay. For example, the Griffiths translation of the Rig Veda says this,

He gained possession of the Sun and Horses, Indra obtained the Cow who feedeth many.
Treasure of gold he won; he smote the Dasyus, and gave protection to the Aryan colour. (Book 3, Hymn 34, Verse 9)
​

This is one of the disputed verses to which I was referring. If you want to dispute it, then go ahead.

The verse talks about "Arya Varna" translated as "Aryan color". Not withstanding the wrong translation, where does it talk anything about white or black color ?

 

[srev2004]

The verse talks about "Arya Varna" translated as "Aryan color". Not withstanding the wrong translation, where does it talk anything about white or black color ?

dude arya = noble. Which translates to noble color at best. There is no aryan and dravidian race. It is something fabricated by the british to divide and conquer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/history/history_4.shtml
Even BBC has debunked it.

my 2 cents.

 

[rkan10]

dude arya = noble. Which translates to noble color at best. There is no aryan and dravidian race. It is something fabricated by the british to divide and conquer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/history/history_4.shtml
Even BBC has debunked it.

my 2 cents.

My 2 cents worth of advise. The question was directed at arunma and his/her attrocious claims of non-existent verses.

 

[arunma]

My 2 cents worth of advise. The question was directed at arunma and his/her attrocious claims of non-existent verses.

Please let me know if there are any other issues you would like to address. I think I have sufficiently clarified my earlier statement.

 

[srev2004]

My 2 cents worth of advise. The question was directed at arunma and his/her attrocious claims of non-existent verses.

there is no such thing as aryan. It is just a fabrication... A romantized superior race....

So it doesn't matter what context you use it in, if it doesn't exist.

 

[rkan10]

Please let me know if there are any other issues you would like to address. I think I have sufficiently clarified my earlier statement.

No you did not. Your claim was, that there is a verse in Rig Veda that says something about white and black color. Where is such a verse ?

I have not seen any such verse from Rig Veda quoted by you. Otherwise you must agree that you were just hand waving.

 

[arunma]

No you did not. Your claim was, that there is a verse in Rig Veda that says something about white and black color. Where is such a verse ?

I have not seen any such verse from Rig Veda quoted by you. Otherwise you must agree that you were just hand waving.

I think I've failed to communicate with you, because you don't seem to understand my original post which caused this contention.

 

[rkan10]

I think I've failed to communicate with you, because you don't seem to understand my original post which caused this contention.

I read through the posts, but the fact stays that you claimed of existence of a verse in Rig Veda which mentions black and white color.

Where is such a verse ?

or Were you just hand waving ?

 

[arunma]

I read through the posts, but the fact stays that you claimed of existence of a verse in Rig Veda which mentions black and white color.

Where is such a verse ?

or Were you just hand waving ?

I've already quoted one verse to you which some claim has a racist connotation. If you think that it doesn't, then take it up with someone who has studied the issue. I don't know if the translation is accurate, and I don't really care either. I have a multitude of other disagreements with Hinduism. I don't think you understand that you're arguing with someone who doesn't have a dog in this fight.

 

[srev2004]

I've already quoted one verse to you which some claim has a racist connotation. If you think that it doesn't, then take it up with someone who has studied the issue. I don't know if the translation is accurate, and I don't really care either. I have a multitude of other disagreements with Hinduism. I don't think you understand that you're arguing with someone who doesn't have a dog in this fight.

his point was you claimed it had black and white, but the one you posted has only aryan at best.

 

[arunma]

his point was you claimed it had black and white, but the one you posted has only aryan at best.

OK. Again, I don't really care. All I said was that the disputed text (at least as it is rendered by those who dispute its meaning) is in the Rig Veda and not the Bhagavad Gita. I'm guessing that Rkan is simply looking for debate.

If he really wanted debate, all he would have to do is start a thread claiming that Hinduism isn't idolatry.

 

[rkan10]

I've already quoted one verse to you which some claim has a racist connotation. If you think that it doesn't, then take it up with someone who has studied the issue. I don't know if the translation is accurate, and I don't really care either. I have a multitude of other disagreements with Hinduism. I don't think you understand that you're arguing with someone who doesn't have a dog in this fight.

As usual you are merely trying to escape.

Refer post #16 as quoted by you

The mention of black and white skin is from the Rig Veda, not the Gita.

Where is the mention of the black or white skin in the Rig Veda verse you quoted ? Do you understand that there is no such mention of any color in those verses ?

"Arya" means "Noble" and does not refer to name of any color. So you were just hand waving. Do you accept that.