hindu scriptures

[evange]

If they were ethnic. Why would they ban Hindu festivals? Use your common sense here. You just can't accept the fact that there are Christian terrorists.

Formed on March 12 1989[1], the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT)is an Indian militant group demanding in order to create an independent state of Tripura.
It has conducted a violent campaign, and was declared an illegal organization under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act in 1997. Five years later, it was declared a terrorist organisation under the newly-coined Prevention of Terrorism Act.[2]
Contents

• 1 History, funding, and church support
• 2 Activities
• 3 Other ties
• 4 Peace efforts
• 5 Split
• 6 See also
• 7 References
• 8 External links

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History, funding, and church support

The Baptist Church of Tripura was initially set up by missionaries from New Zealand in the 1940s. Until the 1980s, only a few thousand people in Tripura had converted to Christianity. In the aftermath of ethnic riots in the 1980s, the number of conversions grew[3].
The NLFT was born in 1989, allegedly with the help of the Baptist Church. Since then, the NLFT has been advancing its cause through armed rebellion.
In April 2000, then Chief Minister Manik Sarkar of the Communist Party of India (Marxist) was reported as saying that state police had evidence that the Baptist Church was involved in backing separatist rebels, and had uncovered details of the alleged link after questioning a senior church leader, who had been arrested with a large quantity of explosives.[4]

The Tripura Baptist Christian Union is the largest protestant church body in the Indian state of Tripura. It has its head office in Agartala, the state capital.

The Government of Tripura uncovered evidence asserting that the Baptist Church in Tripura has been helping the Tripuri militants, such as the NLFT in the state. The NLFT militants, who are fighting to regain the independence of Tripura, have been reported to be forcing some local tribals to convert to Christianity at gunpoint and turning them against the Bengali Hindus in the state [4].




The Left-Front Government have accused the Baptist Church of Tripura of supporting this violent campaign of NLFT by providing funding and arms for the group after an incident in April of 2000,when Nagmanlal Halam, secretary of the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura, was caught with 50 gelatine sticks, 5 kilograms of potassium and 2 kilograms of sulphur and other ingredients for making explosives to the group. Halam later confessed to buying and supplying explosives to the NLFT for the past two years.
In another incident in August 2003, police arrested the secretary of a Baptist Christian Missionary church in North Tripura District who was in possession of five kg of potassium, one kg sulphur, few gelatin sticks and 45 gm of high explosive materials [5].

The source for these claims uses the word alledged 4 times.

And I would so say it's an ethnic conflict. Because it started before christianity was a factor in the region.

Religion is a result of teh conflict, not the cause.

 

[srev2004]

The source for these claims uses the word alledged 4 times.

And I would so say it's an ethnic conflict. Because it started before christianity was a factor in the region.

Religion is a result of teh conflict, not the cause.

These relatively small armed tribal groups are eventually nurtured by Missionaries into violent and sadistic terrorist groups:
On December 4th, 2000, Christians converts under the direction of Missionaries, desecrated an ashram (Hindu religious retreat) set up by murdered Hindu leader Shanti Kumar Tripura. . They desecrated Hindu idols and destroyed photos of the slain religious leader revered by both Hindu tribals and Bengalis. The Christian converts also raped two female devotees and brutally attacked two men who had come to the ashram for puja (religious rituals).
The next day, Christian converts brutally desecrated another ashram at Jirania Khola and forced the inmates to stop all Hindu rituals and practices at gunpoint. A group of seven armed converted Christian terrorists barged into the ashram and threatened the 150 Hindus with dire consequences if they continued to perform Hindu rites at the ashram. The terrorists fled only after a large group of locals rushed to the ashram.

Due to threats by violent Missionaries and their Christian converts, altogether 11 ashrams, schools and orphanages set up by the murdered Hindu leader in various parts of the state have been forcibly closed down by the Christian fundamentalist terrorist organization known as “National Liberation Front of Tripura” (NLFT).

2 terrorists from the NLFT

2 women terrorists.

Tribals showcasing their weapons. Not tell me where do these poor tribals in a remote part of India get funding for their weapons?

P.S. Aren't you ashamed to support such things. I never heard you condemn it even once. You simply pass it off as a reasonable excuse.

It's not in the name of christ. It's not in teh name of any religion. It has nothing to do with religion, any religion. It's an ethnic conflict, and most of the christain conversions in the region came after the violence, because they were feeling disenfranchised.

They are in the majority in the state of Tripura. So the poor christian terrorists harassing the Hindu citizens are disenfranchised... Give me a break. How would you feel if Hindu's took California at gunpoint and asked for secession once they were the majority. To top it all off, they go around shutting down churches and ban Christian holidays?

 

[debussyfan]

wow, people really go bazerk when they hear the word hell. I think you over reacted a bit

What you posted was immature and childish. Reread your post and ponder whether it really sounds like the words of a person who is following the "true religion" and has "knows God".

Yes, I believe my belief system to be better than all others.

You can believe whatever delusions you want, just like the supremacists believe they are better and the sexists out there believe they are better too.

But don't confuse your belief with reality. There is absolutely nothing which proves you to be better, as you belive. In truth you are worth no more than any other human being out there, and there is nothing that elevates you above any other people.

Your "I'm better than you" attitude may play well with the folks here in the forums. Unfortunately, once you step out into the real world you may have a startling realization.

Utter childishness.

 

[arunma]

What you posted was immature and childish. Reread your post and ponder whether it really sounds like the words of a person who is following the "true religion" and has "knows God".

Clearly, childishness is in the eye of the beholder, because I see no such thing in her posts. It would have been more accurate for you to simply say that you disagree with her religious beliefs, because I think that but for this you would detect no immaturity at all.

As I'm sure you're aware, when you step out into the real world, you will encounter many evangelical Christians who believe precisely as Evange and myself: that salvation is not possible except by faith in Jesus Christ. For you to believe that the entire world embraces religious relativism and rejects the notion of absolute truth is, from my own experience, rather naive.

 

[czach8]

For you to believe that the entire world embraces religious relativism and rejects the notion of absolute truth is, from my own experience, rather naive.

However brother, your belief that God would only deliver the Old Testament to Jews while neglect the rest of the world to the hands of the devil is also very naive. In addition, ignoring the fact religions co-exist with each other despite veritable proof also conveys your ignorance.

Thank you.

 

[arunma]

However brother, your belief that God would only deliver the Old Testament to Jews while neglect the rest of the world to the hands of the devil is also very naive.

Seeing as how I don't believe that, I can't really offer any meaningful response to this strawman.

In addition, ignoring the fact religions co-exist with each other despite veritable proof also conveys your ignorance.

I'm sorry, but this sentence doesn't make sense. Despite veritable proof of what?

 

[czach8]

Seeing as how I don't believe that, I can't really offer any meaningful response to this strawman.

A strawman argument? The bible itself supports this strawman argument:

Job 1:7, "The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."


Basically what you are saying is that the devil is more omnipresent than God, and you also claim God did not share His Word with others except only with Jews for 1000's and 1000's of years.

I'm sorry, but this sentence doesn't make sense. Despite veritable proof of what?

Oh come on brother, dont play dumb with me. Do you want more biblical strawman arguments. Here you go, and please answer my following questions that you have avoided for so long:

Psalm 33:5 says, “The Lord loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of his unfailing love.”


Now are you sure the devil is more omnipresent than God throughout the earth?


Psalm 19:1-4 says, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. [a]Their voice [b] goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. In the heavens he has pitched a tent for the sun”.

What voice went throughout the world, God's or the devil"s?

Psalm 46:9 says, “He makes wars cease to the ends of the earth; he breaks the bow and shatters the spear, he burns the shields [a] with fire.

If God only tended the Jews why would He make wars cease to the ends of the world. Wasn't that job only for the devil as you say?

Psalm 98:3 says, “He has remembered his love and his faithfulness to the house of Israel; all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.

How can all the ends of the earth have already seen the salvation of God during the reign of David? It is obvious David is saying God's Word played a role in other religions throughout the earth?

Psalm 147:15 says, “He sends his command to the earth; his word runs swiftly.

I thought only the devil sends his command to the rest of the earth except Israel. Is this true brother?

Malachi 1:5 says, "You will see it with your own eyes and say, 'Great is the LORD -even beyond the borders of Israel!'"

Geat is the Lord beyond the borders of Israel. Didn't you say only the devil was great beyond the borders of Israel?

Peace bro.

 

[rahul_sharma]

Yes, that is her purpose. Personally I consider it to be a laudable task.



On the contrary, she obviously loves them enough that she wants to snatch them from the flames of hell, which is their ultimate destination if they continue to practice Hinduism.



I do not understand why it is arrogant to believe that one's religion is correct. Some beliefs are just plain wrong, and Hinduism is one of them. One cannot believe the Bible without believing that non-Christian religions are false, because this is rather clearly taught in the Christian Scriptures. By asking us not to proselytize our own religion, you seem to be meeting your own definition of arrogance.

personally i consider such belief as "The Height of spiritualess state" filled with arrogance.

 

[mikkyo]

personally i consider such belief as "The Height of spiritualess state" filled with arrogance.

Any religion that promotes the violence and rape of infidels is the belief in a "The Height of spiritualess state". And that includes Christianity and Islam.

 

[Vandhiyathevan]

Oh my oh my. this thread is fun.lol

I too was tempted to reply to evanges questions on her opening posts, now its obvious that she is nothing less than a wolf in sheep's skin.lol after reading the rest of her posts its obvious who she is.

and the friendly neighborhood religocentric Arunima is posting his drivel as well

Im a Tamilan/Thamizhan myself and i would just love to see evenge go to India) it would indeed be a humbling experience. some people would not know about reality unless it hits them smack on their face....cos they are so blinded by their dogma, as is the case with evanges.

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not Tamilian...Tamilian is not grammatically correct....

Tamil(Actually Thamizh) is the language
the speaker of that language is called "Tamilan/Thamizhan"
and the plural for that is "Tamilar/thamizhar"

]

Srev and others, keep up the good work

 

[indianx]

Let's keep it simple - தமிழர் (I hope that shows up in your browser).

 

[Vandhiyathevan]

Let's keep it simple - தமிழர் (I hope that shows up in your browser).

Yes it does show up great!

"யாமறிந்த மொழிகளிலே தமிழ்மொழி போல் இனிதாவது எங்கும் காணோம்"

 

[DurgaDas]

k, so I've decided I should probably read some of the hindu scriptures. I'm planning on a mission trip to India after I graduate, So I'd like a better understanding of what the locals believe (I also want to learn some Tamil, but my university doesn’t offer courses in it. So If anyone could help me out, recommend a website or something, I'd appreciate that too).

But mostly i think a lot of hindus here, and on the rest of the internetz, spew a lot of nonsense, and no one can challenge them on it because who's read the hindu scriptures? Unlike with muslims, where figuring out what to read is quite straightforward, and then the quran is a short book, so it only takes a few days to read it all. So a lot of people have read all or at least some of the koran. So when muslims spew nonsense, they get called out on it right away.

But with hindus, I can sense the BS, but I don’t know what to say about it, so I ignore it or make a sarcastic comment.

Anyway, these are my questions:

1. Which one should I read first? Which one is most important?
2. Recommend a translation?
3. I'd prefer an audio version because I'm lazy. Where can I find a free one online?

A noble goal in life indeed! Good Luck with it!

Refuting Hindu scripture is not possible because it would take several lives to learn and digest them, before you could come up with any sort of refutation. At best you can do nit picking..

1. The vedas also known as the sruti( the heard) consisting of the samhita, brahmana, aranyaka and the upanishads is the core of Hindu religion which in all consists of no less than 100,000 verses. Other important texts are the Mahabaratha, which includes the Bhagavad Gita, Ramayana, several Puranas, Agamas and so forth. Sage Vyasa composed the text known as brahmasutras ( in about 550 verses) for an easy reconciliation and harmonization of the Hindu scripture( and refutation of non vedic doctrines) and there exist three major commentaries( and 11 minor and 41 not so popular commentaries) for this text.

2. Translations/commentaries may be entirely different. Especially so between the Dvaita and the Advaita traditions, and you have to make up your mind where your preference lies.

From a logical point of view, it is very unlikely that you can come up with a counter because everything has been thrashed out here and Hindus as such have a long tradition of debates and polemical literature.(more than 2000 years)

And what fault can you find in a text like Bhagavad Gita that preaches universal love and selfless action, unlike many other scriptures filled with violence and self contradictions? At best you could say that you do not beleive in what it says, and it amounts to no counter.

 

[Vandhiyathevan]

A noble goal in life indeed! Good Luck with it!

Refuting Hindu scripture is not possible because it would take several lives to learn and digest them, before you could come up with any sort of refutation. At best you can do nit picking..

1. The vedas also known as the sruti( the heard) consisting of the samhita, brahmana, aranyaka and the upanishads is the core of Hindu religion which in all consists of no less than 100,000 verses. Other important texts are the Mahabaratha, which includes the Bhagavad Gita, Ramayana, several Puranas, Agamas and so forth. Sage Vyasa composed the text known as brahmasutras ( in about 550 verses) for an easy reconciliation and harmonization of the Hindu scripture( and refutation of non vedic doctrines) and there exist three major commentaries( and 11 minor and 41 not so popular commentaries) for this text.

2. Translations/commentaries may be entirely different. Especially so between the Dvaita and the Advaita traditions, and you have to make up your mind where your preference lies.

From a logical point of view, it is very unlikely that you can come up with a counter because everything has been thrashed out here and Hindus as such have a long tradition of debates and polemical literature.(more than 2000 years)

And what fault can you find in a text like Bhagavad Gita that preaches universal love and selfless action, unlike many other scriptures filled with violence and self contradictions? At best you could say that you do not beleive in what it says, and it amounts to no counter.

Well said!

 

[R3quiem]

Over 100,000 verses, plus more texts?

Wow.

 

[Vandhiyathevan]

Over 100,000 verses, plus more texts?

Wow.

The Indian Epic Mahabarata is 7 times the size of the Odyssey and the Iliad put together)