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Hillary Clinton wants to deprogram MAGA?

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MAGA cultists are part of the topic. I agree with Hillary that "maybe there needs to be" some efforts taken by friends and loved ones to pull the cultists back from their delusions, and reintroduce them to reality, at least in terms of facts vs. conspiracy theories.
Your time would be better spent trying to bring the woke extremists on the left back to reality, such as the ones holding rallies to support what Hamas did in Israel. But I don’t want to get off topic either
 
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Well, to be fair, she did get more votes than he did. But that's the electoral college for ya.

Though, in contrast, you might want to note what she hasn't done: lose over 60 legal challenges because of a complete and total lack of evidence, make a ton of social media posts claiming, again without evidence, that she actually won the election, try to coerce a state's election official to "find" enough votes to change the certified election outcome, urge her followers to march on the capitol when the votes were to be certified and "fight like hell" or "you won't have a country any more."

Just for comparison.

-- A2SG, another thing she hasn't done: propose a law to deprogram anyone.....
Nonresponsive to my statement, which was that Hillary is bitter and still angry that she lost the election, so she is projecting her bitterness onto others. That's what is relevant here.
 
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So what? The other person you mention also claimed his election was stolen. The difference is that that particular person took his accusations to courts all over the country and lost every case except one. Why complain about one person while ignoring the other?
One is indeed entitled to use legal means to challenge an election. Remember Gore doing this in 2000?
At any rate, he lost. One is not required to trot out every whataboutism when mentioning a fact relevant to the news story at hand.

Hillary is extremely bitter. This is why she wasn't elected; she is eminently unlikeable.
 
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One is indeed entitled to use legal means to challenge an election. Remember Gore doing this in 2000?
At any rate, he lost. One is not required to trot out every whataboutism when mentioning a fact relevant to the news story at hand.

Hillary is extremely bitter. This is why she wasn't elected; she is eminently unlikeable.
Bitter...

bitter old woman yelling at clouds....

It is all fun and games until peeps are locked up in interment camps due to bitterness.
 
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One is indeed entitled to use legal means to challenge an election. Remember Gore doing this in 2000?
At any rate, he lost. One is not required to trot out every whataboutism when mentioning a fact relevant to the news story at hand.

Hillary is extremely bitter. This is why she wasn't elected; she is eminently unlikeable.
She wasn’t elected because I’d the EC but she did get more votes than Trump. Likable or not, more voters wanted her in the office.
 
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One is indeed entitled to use legal means to challenge an election. Remember Gore doing this in 2000?
At any rate, he lost. One is not required to trot out every whataboutism when mentioning a fact relevant to the news story at hand.

Hillary is extremely bitter. This is why she wasn't elected; she is eminently unlikeable.
Naw, I got to agree with @A2SG - pure projection on your part.
 
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....Hillary is extremely bitter. This is why she wasn't elected; she is eminently unlikeable.
Is she? Ive heard quite a few interviews over the years and shes generally pretty warm with a sense of humor.
 
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Nonresponsive to my statement, which was that Hillary is bitter and still angry that she lost the election, so she is projecting her bitterness onto others. That's what is relevant here.
How, exactly, is she doing that?

And please, be specific.

-- A2SG, quoting her actual words would be good, too....
 
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How, exactly, is she doing that?

And please, be specific.

-- A2SG, quoting her actual words would be good, too....
Quoting Hillary has been done numerous times, but if you still are incapable of processing them, here you go again, with links:

Hillary Clinton is sticking with her conviction that the 2016 presidential election was not conducted legitimately, saying the details surrounding her loss are still unclear.

“There was a widespread understanding that this election [in 2016] was not on the level,” Clinton said during an interview for the latest episode of The Atlantic’s politics podcast, The Ticket. “We still don’t know what really happened.”

“There’s just a lot that I think will be revealed. History will discover,” the Democratic Party’s 2016 presidential nominee continued. “But you don’t win by 3 million votes and have all this other shenanigans and stuff going on and not come away with an idea like, ‘Whoa, something’s not right here.’ That was a deep sense of unease.”

Clinton also offered copious criticism of President Trump, saying she warned the country about her former rival, and “it was even worse than I thought it was.”

“I really did feel sometimes like the tree falling in the forest. I believed he was a puppet of Putin. I believed that there was relevant, important information in his tax returns. I believed he did not have the temperament to be president, he was unfit—not a partisan comment, but an assessment of him,” the former secretary of state said."

Bitter, bitter, bitter. This article was 2020, but sure, she's still doing it.

August 2023:


"Hillary Clinton appeared on MSNBC with Rachel Maddow on Monday, where the two discussed how "bad actors" who say "every election is stolen ... wounds us as a democracy."


"I think, you know, the truth matters," Clinton said.


The failed presidential candidate's show of concern about the questioning of election outcomes marks a departure from her past remarks about Republican electoral victories.


A Washington Free Beacon review of the historical record reveals Clinton and other prominent Democrats have questioned the legitimacy of nearly every significant Republican win in the past two decades.


"If she had a fair election, she already would have won," Clinton said in 2018 after Democrat Stacey Abrams lost the Georgia gubernatorial race to Republican Brian Kemp.

After her 2016 loss to Donald Trump in the presidential election, Clinton repeatedly called Trump an "illegitimate president."


Democrats' questioning of elections goes as far back as the 2000 presidential election, which Clinton, along with Joe Biden and Terry McAuliffe, painted as stolen by the Supreme Court.

 
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Quoting Hillary has been done numerous times, but if you still are incapable of processing them, here you go again, with links:

Hillary Clinton is sticking with her conviction that the 2016 presidential election was not conducted legitimately, saying the details surrounding her loss are still unclear.

“There was a widespread understanding that this election [in 2016] was not on the level,” Clinton said during an interview for the latest episode of The Atlantic’s politics podcast, The Ticket. “We still don’t know what really happened.”

“There’s just a lot that I think will be revealed. History will discover,” the Democratic Party’s 2016 presidential nominee continued. “But you don’t win by 3 million votes and have all this other shenanigans and stuff going on and not come away with an idea like, ‘Whoa, something’s not right here.’ That was a deep sense of unease.”

Clinton also offered copious criticism of President Trump, saying she warned the country about her former rival, and “it was even worse than I thought it was.”

“I really did feel sometimes like the tree falling in the forest. I believed he was a puppet of Putin. I believed that there was relevant, important information in his tax returns. I believed he did not have the temperament to be president, he was unfit—not a partisan comment, but an assessment of him,” the former secretary of state said."

Bitter, bitter, bitter. This article was 2020, but sure, she's still doing it.

August 2023:


"Hillary Clinton appeared on MSNBC with Rachel Maddow on Monday, where the two discussed how "bad actors" who say "every election is stolen ... wounds us as a democracy."


"I think, you know, the truth matters," Clinton said.


The failed presidential candidate's show of concern about the questioning of election outcomes marks a departure from her past remarks about Republican electoral victories.


A Washington Free Beacon review of the historical record reveals Clinton and other prominent Democrats have questioned the legitimacy of nearly every significant Republican win in the past two decades.


"If she had a fair election, she already would have won," Clinton said in 2018 after Democrat Stacey Abrams lost the Georgia gubernatorial race to Republican Brian Kemp.

After her 2016 loss to Donald Trump in the presidential election, Clinton repeatedly called Trump an "illegitimate president."


Democrats' questioning of elections goes as far back as the 2000 presidential election, which Clinton, along with Joe Biden and Terry McAuliffe, painted as stolen by the Supreme Court.

Which has nothing to do with the topic.
 
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Is she? Ive heard quite a few interviews over the years and shes generally pretty warm with a sense of humor.
It's a pretty commonly understood acknowledgement: and it is not sexism.

Hillary's unlikability

 
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It's a pretty commonly understood acknowledgement: and it is not sexism.

Hillary's unlikability

Which has nothing to do with the topic.
 
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Naw, I got to agree with @A2SG - pure projection on your part.
Nope. You would have had to miss all the other articles on just this topic to understand how widespread this acknowledgement is, back when Clinton was railroading Bernie Sanders, who should have been the candidate (and may have actually beaten Trump).

"Last week, at the 8th annual Women in the World Summit, Hillary Clinton linked her election loss to her success and ambition. She claimed, "the more successful and therefore ambitious a woman is, the less likable she becomes."
Clinton certainly had a likability problem during her presidential campaign, but it was due to her untrustworthiness, which she never overcame in the polls with the American public. With her email scandal looming large over her campaign, she saw her support drop. The email scandal and the ensuing investigation that plagued Clinton, along with the spotlight on the ethics of the Clinton Foundation, painted her as distrustful. Her likability had nothing to do with her ambition and success as a woman but with how she conducted herself when she held positions of power.
There are plenty of men and women (myself included) who are ready to see a female president in the White House. Unfortunately, Clinton wasn't the right person for the job."




"Labeling all of "us" a sexist mob like our beef with Hillary has to do more with her being a woman than our general fears about another moderate, left of center, establishment democrat in office isn't just unfair, it's a blinders-on-generalization to defend a flawed candidate. Proof of this is the simple fact that I and many Sanders supporters would vote for Elizabeth Warren if she were in the race over Hillary or Bernie. That's why there were dozens of petitions from thousands of progressive liberals urging her to run, and why there just as many now in hopes she becomes Sanders' vice president."

 
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It's a pretty commonly understood acknowledgement: and it is not sexism.

Hillary's unlikability

Did you even read those?

Theres nothing about personality and "bitter" etc. Its all about policy matters and her unacceptable centrism and elite connections compared to Bernie and the like.
 
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Which has nothing to do with the topic.
I was asked how she was projecting her bitterness, and I provided a lot of linked material. I also responded to subsequent comments.
 
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bitter and still angry that she lost the election...
There seems to be a lot of that about. Remember when people used to concede graciously? Ah, the good old days...
 
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There seems to be a lot of that about. Remember when people used to concede graciously? Ah, the good old days...
Indeed. Today a number of politicians refuse to concede, graciously or ungraciously. Hillary Clinton conceded to the very man who she now is reaching out to get his 'supporters' intervention to help escape from his control.

Here is Clinton's concession speech. Notice not one word of a stolen election. Not one ounce of bitterness to be found.

Our last President did not concede, instead he organized a failed coup.

Even to this day, Mrs. Clinton is thinking about helping Americans to be better Americans, and all she gets is attacked.
 
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