Hillary Clinton calls for "Formal Deprogramming" of Trump supporters

Aldebaran said:

Ah, so it's elected members in our government that she doesn't agree with who need to be re-programmed. Got it. Democracy!!!
Perhaps it's the word "Freedom" she doesn't like.....

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It’s her opinion. Her constitutional 1 st amendment right.

Aldebaran said:

We've even seen people on this thread agreeing with her.

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Yep. I'm one of the people who thinks that some of Donald's ardent faithful are have fallen so deep into his personality cult that it might require cult deprogramming to help them reconnect to reality.

What NO ONE in this thread has advocated is "want(ing) to put all Donald supporters in reeducation camps". That is pure red hat persecution fantasy.

Aldebaran said:

But at least her words reveal how people like her think.

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This is hilariously ironic. Because it's really more telling about Donald's ardently faithful believers. As I've noted previously:

USincognito said:

This sort of mentality reminds me of @iluvatar5150 s thread where it seems that quite a few on the right have so immersed themselves in right wing rhetoric that liberals or anyone who even holds a left of center position or two, is not merely a political opponent, but fundamentally evil, actively trying to destroy America and possibly literally demonic. The Left ™ cannot be compromised with because they are so fundamentally evil and they must be exiled or destroyed.

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jacks said:

Hillary's just mad Pamela got to the Whitehouse before her.

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Who? And you do realize that then First Lady Clinton was a resident of the White House from 1993-2001, right?

Aldebaran said:

An opinion that reflects badly on her party. She's not the only one amongst them that talk that way. Biden used the same type of rhetoric in his anti-Republican speech that got so much backlash.

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the extreme that vote or are elected in either party are an issue. the whole debacle with MCarthy the Speakership, the budget? Where do we land that mess? At the foot of Trump and his disciples.

Perhaps instead of deprogramming, the removal of brain cells is needed to get those folks woke.

Aldebaran said:

Trump isn't even in the House to vote on the speakership.
BTW, how many House Republicans voted to oust MacCarthy? Just 8, and they're getting all the blame.
How many Democrats voted the same way? 208. That's ALL of them. But we hear not a peep about that. Just blame the 8--and Trump, who wasn't even a vote.

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Republicans have a majority and their extreme minority joined up with Democrats to vote him out. It’s no surprise Democrats wanted him out, but fringe Republicans made it happen.

Aldebaran said:

So you're saying democrats just march in lockstep and can't be blamed, while Republicans are the ones who think independently?

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If the roles were reversed, and a group of 8 democrats were trying to oust say, Nancy Pelosi, as speaker, would you expect or want Republicans to vote to keep her in?

Aldebaran said:

I never made that claim. Deprogramming, brainwashing, propagandizing, re-educating---none of it needs a "camp". Just an institute, or facility, or "Health Services Center", or other labels that sound oh-so-nice-and-civilized.

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Thank you for proving my point. Neither Secretary Clinton nor anyone in this thread has said anything about "brainwashing, propagandizing, re-educating, etc. at an institute, facility, health services center or anything like that. You're literally saying, "those people want to get me", not only does no one want to get you, no one wants to do to you what You're claiming "they" want to do you.

All your scenarios exist only in your imagination.

Aldebaran said:

Meanwhile, the kids already are being propagandized in government-run schools to not be conservative in the first place.

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I read the most amazing fan fiction on CF.

Aldebaran said:

"Terrorist parents" who disagree beware if they were to attend a school board meeting.

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Ah, yes. Another thing that never happened happened but right leaning folks insist is endemic in this country.

It's almost like you're trying to prove my point for me again .

>> This sort of mentality reminds me of @iluvatar5150 s thread where it seems that quite a few on the right have so immersed themselves in right wing rhetoric that liberals or anyone who even holds a left of center position or two, is not merely a political opponent, but fundamentally evil, actively trying to destroy America and possibly literally demonic. The Left ™ cannot be compromised with because they are so fundamentally evil and they must be exiled or destroyed.

Aldebaran said:

So you're saying democrats just march in lockstep and can't be blamed, while Republicans are the ones who think independently?

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So's Law gets validated yet again!

Aldebaran said:

Trump isn't even in the House to vote on the speakership.
BTW, how many House Republicans voted to oust MacCarthy? Just 8, and they're getting all the blame.
How many Democrats voted the same way? 208. That's ALL of them. But we hear not a peep about that. Just blame the 8--and Trump, who wasn't even a vote.
Blaming 8 while ignoring the actions of 208 makes sense to some.

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Oh this is rich! The ultra-MAGA caucus refused to vote for McCarthy until he acquiesced to their demands which allowed just one of them to vacate the Speakers position, then one of that caucus has a temper tantrum and pulls the trigger but, somehow, it's all the Democrats fault?

DaisyDay said:

Okay, now you are substituting your meaning for hers.

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Yes, that’s how strawmanning works.

BPPLEE said:

I would think so I have no way to measure such a thing and I doubt anyone else does. Didn’t Hillary claim that half were a basket of deplorables?

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Yes, the January 6th folks were the cream of the deplorables.
Great catch!

USincognito said:

Oh this is rich! The ultra-MAGA caucus refused to vote for McCarthy until he aquiested to their demands which allowed just one of them to vacate the Speakers position, then one of that caucus has a temper tantrum and pulls the trigger but, somehow, it's all the Democrats fault?

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Those crafty Democrats!

SavedByGrace3 said:

Ok.... here is what was actually said.
"You know, because at some point, you know, maybe there needs to be a formal deprogramming of the cult members. But something needs to happen."

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You should really look up the meaning of hyperbole and facetious. What sort of reality is everyone living in that this could be discussed as if it was a serious suggestion?

Bradskii said:

You should really look up the meaning of hyperbole and facetious. What sort of reality is everyone living in that this could be discussed as if it was a serious suggestion?

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One where the president declares those in question a threat to national security.

Ordinary Christian said:

One where the president declares those in question a threat to national security.

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Some people are. Most aren't. But if you're concerned about it then how about you start a thread on national security and what internal elements are a danger. See if you can't stick to the facts, put forward honest opinions have a sensible discussion about it.

Nah...don't be silly. I was only joking. That's not possible in the current reality. A sensible discussion? Gee, I nearly spilled my drink (the sun's going down here). But hey, you gotta laugh. Even thought the current atmosphere is too thick with bulldust to raise a giggle let alone a full throated chuckle.

Let's face it. From someone who has no time for Mrs. Clinton (and had hardly any for Mr. Clinton), I can tell you that the woman spends a lot of time with her stiletto hovering pretty close to her mouth. She is an incredibly intelligent woman but she knows it (as opposed to one or two I could mention who are incredibly stupid but don't - I know which is by far the worst but the other grates terribly). And that means she is a lot smarter than a significant proportion of the country. And it annoys her that there are so many who are not too smart but yet seem to revel in that fact. Who keep wanting to prove it. Who think it a source of pride in some way. Yeah, I know that annoys you about her as well.

I said something earlier today in some similar thread that the further you move to the right, the less sense of humour you have. I guess it also applies if you find yourself wafting about in the rarified atmosphere of those who have certainty in whatever position they take, far above the great unwashed who say that they know, but are clearly incapable of putting together a meaningful couple of sentences explaining their position. So she's not a chuckle meister. Stand up is not her forte. The hyperbolic quip or knowing satirical aside with a subtly raised eyebrow is beyond her. So what she says comes across a little too seriously. A little too earnest.

But gee, someone would have to be as dumb as a box of rocks to think that what she actually said was what she literally thought should happen. It makes me frustrated as all get out that an offhand comment, albeit ill advised in the current climate, was even thought worth discussing in the first instance, let alone one that's produced close to 250 posts in a few hours.

And what does it lead to? Just more of the frustrating same. 'Oh, you think she didn't mean it? Well, what about THIS!' Really? Is that what counts as an argument in the forum these days? A question which will immediately trigger the usual schoolyard response: 'Well, they started it, sir! Why are you picking on me!'

This is all we get these days. Without checking I don't even know if this is in the political section. Ah, no. Current events. As if this facetious (and foolish) comment was an event that rated anything more than a passing glance. But it's all grist to the mill. Grind these comments up into a paste and you can keep throwing it at the opposition and see if you can score a couple of points. As long as you know it's just cheap points you think you are scoring. Whereas what you are doing is undermining the whole process of political debate and turning in to a game.

Here's an honest question. Can anyone tell me the last time there was a genuine discussion on a political policy that either party had mentioned anywhere? I really can't remember.

Anyway. As you were.