Hidden sin!

[pescador]

Ok, so you never sin then? You are sin free?

These are two different things. Of course I sin, as nobody (except Jesus) is perfect. When I sin it is unintentional and forgiven in advance.

Yes I am sin free. The Holy Spirit and sin cannot exist in the same body.

 

[Goatee]

These are two different things. Of course I sin, as nobody (except Jesus) is perfect. When I sin it is unintentional and forgiven in advance.

Yes I am sin free. The Holy Spirit and sin cannot exist in the same body.

So, you commit murder and then you are forgiven even before to do it! So, you can sin as much as you want knowing you are automatically forgiven!!! lol, really!!

Ezekiel 18:23-24
23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live? 24 But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity and does the same abominable things that the wicked man does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds which he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, he shall die.

Romans 11:17-22
17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in their place to share the richness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast over the branches. If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 You will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast only through faith. So do not become proud, but stand in awe. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.

2 Peter 2:21
21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.

Romans 11:22
22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.

1 Corinthians 9:27
27 but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

Philippians 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

 

[pescador]

So, you commit murder and then you are forgiven even before to do it! So, you can sin as much as you want knowing you are automatically forgiven!!! lol, really!!

Ezekiel 18:23-24
23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live? 24 But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity and does the same abominable things that the wicked man does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds which he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, he shall die.

Romans 11:17-22
17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in their place to share the richness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast over the branches. If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 You will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast only through faith. So do not become proud, but stand in awe. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.

2 Peter 2:21
21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.

Romans 11:22
22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.

1 Corinthians 9:27
27 but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

Philippians 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Apparently you don't understand what being dead to sin but alive to God means. Do you really think that the Holy Spirit, who lives in me and everyone else who has received him by faith, would commit murder? When one lives by the Spirit there is no desire to sin in any manner. If you think that anyone born of the Spirit sins intentionally, you have no understanding of the gift of salvation and God's grace.

I strongly suggest you read what Paul says in Romans if you don't understand sin. Here are some excerpts...

Romans 6:1-2 "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?"

Romans 7:4-6 "So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."

Romans 8:5 "Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires."

 

[Goatee]

Apparently you don't understand what being dead to sin but alive to God means. Do you really think that the Holy Spirit, who lives in me and everyone else who has received him by faith, would commit murder? When one lives by the Spirit there is no desire to sin in any manner. If you think that anyone born of the Spirit sins intentionally, you have no understanding of the gift of salvation and God's grace.

We all sin. Even Saints sinned. Its not the Holy spirit that sins. It is you and i. You may not desire to sin but you can easily do so. You may curse someone, upset someone, kick a dog even! etc etc etc.

You sin buddy. Its a fact. We all sin. You cannot live a life without sinning in some way. It is then that one turns to God and asks for forgiveness. Jesus did not suffer and die so that you could have an easy life and not worry about sin or forget about forgiveness!

Jesus said the narrow way would be hard to follow. Jesus said we have to pick up our crosses and follow him.

You cannot follow Jesus and expect to have all you future sins forgiven without repentance. Without asking God for forgiveness. Without having a firm belief that you will not sin again.

Jesus died to save sinners. It doesn't mean that we will thus never sin or expect never to ask for forgiveness if we do sin.

Repent and seek Gods forgiveness if you sin of which, nobody is sin free!!

 

[pescador]

We all sin. Even Saints sinned. Its not the Holy spirit that sins. It is you and i. You may not desire to sin but you can easily do so. You may curse someone, upset someone, kick a dog even! etc etc etc.

You sin buddy. Its a fact. We all sin. You cannot live a life without sinning in some way. It is then that one turns to God and asks for forgiveness. Jesus did not suffer and die so that you could have an easy life and not worry about sin or forget about forgiveness!

Jesus said the narrow way would be hard to follow. Jesus said we have to pick up our crosses and follow him.

You cannot follow Jesus and expect to have all you future sins forgiven without repentance. Without asking God for forgiveness. Without having a firm belief that you will not sin again.

Jesus died to save sinners. It doesn't mean that we will thus never sin or expect never to ask for forgiveness if we do sin.

Repent and seek Gods forgiveness if you sin of which, nobody is sin free!!

You can go ahead and struggle with sin if you want but it's not for me. Jesus has already paid the price for all sin, and Christians are justified before God. Why should I continue to repent when I am forgiven and live in God's rest?

It's a common mistake to take something out of context, forgetting to whom the words were spoken and under what conditions. Your sayings are from Luke's gospel and Matthew's gospel, both of which were spoken to the disciples before the crucifixion and before they were Christians.

If you want to put yourself back under the Old Covenant where every sin is punishable and continuing repentance is necessary to please God be my guest, but it's denying Christ.

And I'm not your buddy.

 

[Goatee]

You can go ahead and struggle with sin if you want but it's not for me. Jesus has already paid the price for all sin, and Christians are justified before God. Why should I continue to repent when I am forgiven and live in God's rest?

It's a common mistake to take something out of context, forgetting to whom the words were spoken and under what conditions. Your sayings are from Luke's gospel and Matthew's gospel, both of which were spoken to the disciples before the crucifixion and before they were Christians.

If you want to put yourself back under the Old Covenant where every sin is punishable and continuing repentance is necessary to please God be my guest, but it's denying Christ.

And I'm not your buddy.

Well, you have decided that as Jesus suffered and died for us you can have an easy life and not have a care if you sin..........

Me? I know that Jesus died to save sinners, just like me, but, i know that if i do sin, of which i do, i still have to ask for forgiveness. I still have to kneel before the Cross and beg absolution.

Jesus has given us a way, the truth and the life..............If we fail, we have to turn to Jesus and beg forgiveness.

Jesus did not suffer to make it easy for us.

We have to pick up our own crosses and follow Our Lord!!

 

[pescador]

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Ezekiel 18:23-24
23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live? 24 But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity and does the same abominable things that the wicked man does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds which he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, he shall die.

Romans 11:17-22
17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in their place to share the richness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast over the branches. If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 You will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast only through faith. So do not become proud, but stand in awe. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.

2 Peter 2:21
21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.

Romans 11:22
22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.

1 Corinthians 9:27
27 but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

Philippians 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Your selection of these verses (out of context) shows the fallacy of your reasoning.

Your quote from Ezekiel is from the Old Testament and describes God's relationship with humanity under the Old Covenant, i.e., the Mosaic law. It doesn't apply to Christians.

Your quote from Romans 11 (repeated in part twice) refers to Gentiles who have been grafted into the (Jewish) olive tree, i.e., they aren't naturally included. If they boast over the excluded Jews and entirely reject God's grace (voluntarily) they too will be cut off. This has nothing to do whatsoever with God punishing sin.

Your out-of-context quote from 2 Peter is a total misapplication of what was said. Peter was referring to false teachers. A few verses earlier he wrote, "For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.” This has nothing to do with Christians who are governed by the Holy Spirit! It refers to evil people preying on others by telling them lies and enticing them back into a sinful lifestyle.

If you look a couple of verses earlier in 1 Corinthians, it says, "Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever." It's an analogy to a sporting event. Paul knew that he was under God's grace for all eternity but he disciplined himself so that he could carry out the difficult work of being an apostle in a hostile world.

The out-of-context quote from Philippians is often used by those who have a predetermined agenda, but it is a total distortion of God's word. The Philippians were under severe stress from persecution because of their faith so they trembled with fear. The verse after the one you quoted says, "... for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose." Was God really unable to achieve his "good purpose" by refusing to let them to live out their salvation??

By your reasoning, the answer must be "yes". According to that philosophy, it is up to us, not God, to behave in a certain way so that we won't be punished. That negates the sacrifice on the cross and the activity of the indwelling Holy Spirit. Grace and God's love for his children mean nothing. We are continually on trial and if we make even the slightest mistake (even unintentionally) we must beg for the forgiveness that we already have. What an unnecessary burden you live under!!

As for me and many others, we live in God's rest and have his eternal shalom. Sin has no mastery over us. We are dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus!!

 

[Phil 1:21]

When one lives by the Spirit there is no desire to sin in any manner.

Even Jesus faced temptation.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

How can I continue to say that I am a Christian if I have a hidden sin I think that I should be open and clean to the world around me.

Truthfully?

Your relationship with our Father is not our business - just like a mom or dad has their special "thing" with each unique child, even each twin. If our Father and you have come to an understanding about your sin (because, nothing is actually hidden from Him) in the sense of repentance, then you should be good.

Transparency is important, so if your sin affects someone else, then you may have a responsibility to tell someone. But, that is your discretion, and what our Father and you have come to - in order to be able to be righteous in front of Him.

You have no responsibility to generally confess your sins to anyone EXCEPT God. In fact, it may actually cause unnecessary damage. It is a sign of Godliness to want to confront the truth in a pure way, so work with that and the relationship with our Father first before you decide your spiritual obligations to man. The first Man you should be honest with, if you feel you must be honest like I perceive in the OP, is Christ. So, literally tell Him everything if you must. Then the Holy Spirit will tell ALL of us what we need to know - one way or another, even if it is through you.

 

[pescador]

Even Jesus faced temptation.

And of course he had no desire to sin, which is giving in to temptation. Jesus was sinless and those of us in Christ are also considered to be sinless, otherwise salvation means nothing.

 

[Goatee]

And of course he had no desire to sin, which is giving in to temptation. Jesus was sinless and those of us in Christ are also considered to be sinless, otherwise salvation means nothing.

How can you go through life without being sinless? As a Christian the tiniest of errors can be sin. A curse, a bad look. an impure thought, shouting at someone, speeding, etc etc etc etc............

Christ died to save simmers yes but he did not die so that we could not worry if we sin in the future with no thought or worry.

If you sin, what do you do? Do you ask God to forgive you?

 

[Goatee]

I disagree! God has already forgiven all those who have accepted Christ's sacrifice and all their sins. There is no need to ask for something one has already received.

But, what you are then saying is that if you sin again and again there is no worry about that! You are saying that we could commit the most evil act and not worry about the consequences. You are sating that one does not have to go down on bended knee and beg God for forgiveness?

Sorry, but if i sin, i 'NEED' to say sorry to God. I 'NEED' to ask for forgiveness. For me, it would be so, so bad to think that Jesus suffered so that i had no worry of sinning.

Jesus said that we have to pick up our cross and follow him. Jesus suffered. We must expect to suffer too.

 

[Goatee]

1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Psalm 86:5
5 For thou, O Lord, art good and forgiving,
abounding in steadfast love to all who call on thee.

James 5:16
16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.

Luke 13:3
3 I tell you, No; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

Romans 10:10
10 For man believes with his heart and so is justified, and he confesses with his lips and so is saved.

 

[Petros2015]

1 John 1:5-10 seems pretty clear that we should confess our sins so they don't linger in darkness. Our instinct is to hide them, but that becomes more and more dangerous. 'you are only as sick as your secrets'.

Now as to who you confess them to, different faiths have different practices. Some say you confess only to Christ and it is personal, others to a brother, others to a Priest. Christ does the forgiveness, where there's a third party I believe it is there as part of accountability. It's letting someone else in and admitting to another human being where we are, it is helpful. I come from a 12 step recovery/addiction background where our 5th step is 'admitted to ourselves, God and another human being the exact nature of our wrongs', so confession is helpful, it keeps me reflective and corrected, like making sure the course of a ship is not varying off by degrees. It's easy to kid or justify ourselves when we are alone or just 'in our heads'. Stuff in the dark likes to stay in the dark, as John said. I can get on my knees and pray and repent, and that's between God and me. Letting someone else know involves trust and is another way of saying 'hey, I am really serious about this, I want it gone, help me if you can.' And God works through people too, expresses His forgiveness and acceptance through others while we are here on this earth.

By the same token, who you confess to is important. If I confess to a weak brother who does not hold me accountable but instead helps me justify my sin, or who condemns me or who gossips my sin to others what have I done, what healing is there in that? None. This is why some traditions formally use a priest. I do not believe that priests absolve or forgive sin, Christ does that. But by the same token, Christ lives in any believer. So if I say to a brother 'your sins are forgiven', not I but Christ says that. And not I but Christ has already done that for them. I am really just here to communicate Christ's message. As would be a priest. A priest can offer good counsel and be grounded in prayer and the word. In my tradition, a priest is the equivalent of a spiritual doctor.

Likewise there are some people to whom we must confess. If I have stolen $1000 from someone and I confess it to God and continue on without returning it, have I repented of the theft? What do you think a brother or a priest would counsel me to do? My own conscience would convict me to confess the sin to the person I stole from and to return the money.

So I feel like there is generally a need to confess hidden sins and make amends if we can to those we have harmed 'except when to do so would injure them or others'. In recovery we seek counsel from others and from God before making this step, especially if things like infidelity have been involved. I don't think a 'general confession' is necessary or helpful unless you have harmed or deceived a large body of people, though the early church did have general confessions before they moved towards priests as the exclusive facilitators for reasons I have stated above.

I do believe that repentance and confession is necessary throughout the life of any Christian and a natural consequence of the Holy Spirit indwelling a body of flesh. I don't do it out of fear of not being forgiven, I do it to keep myself accountable and my track in accordance with God's will, because I want to and because I believe it's his Will to help me and heal me.

It's all gonna come out into the Light anyway one day, I have no doubt about that.

 

[pescador]

But, what you are then saying is that if you sin again and again there is no worry about that! You are saying that we could commit the most evil act and not worry about the consequences. You are sating that one does not have to go down on bended knee and beg God for forgiveness?

Sorry, but if i sin, i 'NEED' to say sorry to God. I 'NEED' to ask for forgiveness. For me, it would be so, so bad to think that Jesus suffered so that i had no worry of sinning.

Jesus said that we have to pick up our cross and follow him. Jesus suffered. We must expect to suffer too.

If you want to beg for something that you already have be my guest. If you NEED to say you're sorry to God, go ahead. If these things make you feel better then by all means do them. However, they have nothing to do with Christian doctrine.

Suppose you're in court and you're found to be innocent. After you're acquitted you may beg for forgiveness. However, you're still innocent whether you do this or not.

I don't know your driving habits but I assume that you occasionally exceed the speed limit unintentionally. Do you pull over, call the police, confess your crime, and beg for forgiveness? After all, you have broken the law. If you don't do this, why not? The crime (sin) was unintentional and you're automatically forgiven for exceeding the speed limit by a tiny amount.

Again, I don't worry about the occasional sin committed by accident. Nobody's perfect so we make mistakes, and as God's children we are both sanctified and justified; our sins are not held against us.

 

[pescador]

1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Psalm 86:5
5 For thou, O Lord, art good and forgiving,
abounding in steadfast love to all who call on thee.

James 5:16
16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.

Luke 13:3
3 I tell you, No; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

Romans 10:10
10 For man believes with his heart and so is justified, and he confesses with his lips and so is saved.

Here we go again. You've taken verses out of context to justify your attitude toward sin. I'll respond one more time...

The beginning of 1 John was written to unbelievers. He says, "What we have seen and heard we announce to you too, so that you may have fellowship with us (and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ)." Why would he be telling believers something that they already know and inviting them to have the fellowship they already have??

That's a nice quote from Psalm 86, written under the Old Covenant, but it's irrelevant here.

The section in James you quote from is about the healing power of prayer. Here it is in context: "Is anyone among you ill? He should summon the elders of the church, and they should pray for him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick and the Lord will raise him up—and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. [Notice that the sick person is not required to do anything!] So confess your sins to one another and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great effectiveness." The purpose of confessing sins here is to be healed, not ask for God's forgiveness (which He has already given).

Luke and the other gospels were written to unbelievers. Believers who have believed the gospel and accepted Christ have eternal life. If you want to refuse God's grace and put yourself back under the Mosaic law where every sin is punished and must be atoned for by sacrifice, go ahead, but by doing so you're denying Christ.

The quote from Romans 10 is great. Here is the paragraph in context (with my emphases): "For Moses writes about the righteousness that is by the law: “The one who does these things will live by them.” But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) or “Who will descend into the abyss?” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we preach), because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and thus has righteousness and with the mouth one confesses and thus has salvation. For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between the Jew and the Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who richly blesses all who call on him. For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

There is no need to continually repent and ask God for forgiveness for sins committed.

 

[pescador]

1 John 1:5-10 seems pretty clear that we should confess our sins so they don't linger in darkness. Our instinct is to hide them, but that becomes more and more dangerous. 'you are only as sick as your secrets'.

Now as to who you confess them to, different faiths have different practices. Some say you confess only to Christ and it is personal, others to a brother, others to a Priest. Christ does the forgiveness, where there's a third party I believe it is there as part of accountability. It's letting someone else in and admitting to another human being where we are, it is helpful. I come from a 12 step recovery/addiction background where our 5th step is 'admitted to ourselves, God and another human being the exact nature of our wrongs', so confession is helpful, it keeps me reflective and corrected, like making sure the course of a ship is not varying off by degrees. It's easy to kid or justify ourselves when we are alone or just 'in our heads'. Stuff in the dark likes to stay in the dark, as John said. I can get on my knees and pray and repent, and that's between God and me. Letting someone else know involves trust and is another way of saying 'hey, I am really serious about this, I want it gone, help me if you can.' And God works through people too, expresses His forgiveness and acceptance through others while we are here on this earth.

By the same token, who you confess to is important. If I confess to a weak brother who does not hold me accountable but instead helps me justify my sin, or who condemns me or who gossips my sin to others what have I done, what healing is there in that? None. This is why some traditions formally use a priest. I do not believe that priests absolve or forgive sin, Christ does that. But by the same token, Christ lives in any believer. So if I say to a brother 'your sins are forgiven', not I but Christ says that. And not I but Christ has already done that for them. I am really just here to communicate Christ's message. As would be a priest. A priest can offer good counsel and be grounded in prayer and the word. In my tradition, a priest is the equivalent of a spiritual doctor.

Likewise there are some people to whom we must confess. If I have stolen $1000 from someone and I confess it to God and continue on without returning it, have I repented of the theft? What do you think a brother or a priest would counsel me to do? My own conscience would convict me to confess the sin to the person I stole from and to return the money.

So I feel like there is generally a need to confess hidden sins and make amends if we can to those we have harmed 'except when to do so would injure them or others'. In recovery we seek counsel from others and from God before making this step, especially if things like infidelity have been involved. I don't think a 'general confession' is necessary or helpful unless you have harmed or deceived a large body of people, though the early church did have general confessions before they moved towards priests as the exclusive facilitators for reasons I have stated above.

I do believe that repentance and confession is necessary throughout the life of any Christian and a natural consequence of the Holy Spirit indwelling a body of flesh. I don't do it out of fear of not being forgiven, I do it to keep myself accountable and my track in accordance with God's will, because I want to and because I believe it's his Will to help me and heal me.

It's all gonna come out into the Light anyway one day, I have no doubt about that.

I agree with all of this. Thanks for posting it!!

 

[Goatee]

If you want to beg for something that you already have be my guest. If you NEED to say you're sorry to God, go ahead. If these things make you feel better then by all means do them. However, they have nothing to do with Christian doctrine.

Suppose you're in court and you're found to be innocent. After you're acquitted you may beg for forgiveness. However, you're still innocent whether you do this or not.

I don't know your driving habits but I assume that you occasionally exceed the speed limit unintentionally. Do you pull over, call the police, confess your crime, and beg for forgiveness? After all, you have broken the law. If you don't do this, why not? The crime (sin) was unintentional and you're automatically forgiven for exceeding the speed limit by a tiny amount.

Again, I don't worry about the occasional sin committed by accident. Nobody's perfect so we make mistakes, and as God's children we are both sanctified and justified; our sins are not held against us.

So, if you sin you dont worry about it as Jesus suffered you dont have to?

Jesus went through all that suffering so that you could be blameless with no suffering yourself if you sinned?

 

[Goatee]

Here we go again. You've taken verses out of context to justify your attitude toward sin. I'll respond one more time...

For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

There is no need to continually repent and ask God for forgiveness for sins committed.

You only read from the passages i quoted the way that 'you' interpret them. You only can see what 'you' want to see.

Matthew 7:21
21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

You have to repent if you sin. You have to acknowledge your sin and repent to God. You cannot sin and believe that as Jesus died on the cross all is ok! Every time we sin we drive the nail in deeper in Jesus's hand and feet.

Jesus died to save sinners. He gave us a way to be forgiven, yes. But, we have to acknowledge our sins, go on bended knee, and tell God we are truly sorry and beg for forgiveness.

I know of no saint that thought like you do.

You think that once saved is always saved but you are wrong my dear friend.

Its one thing believing in Christ. Its another thinking that you are safe and should not worry about the sins you commit, believing that God has forgiven you of any sin you commit without you having a care in the world!

Why did Jesus give us the 'Our Father' Prayer? In that it says:

'Forgive us our Trespasses as we forgive others........'

Why would Jesus give us those words if we don't need to ask for forgiveness?

You need to go back to the drawing board my dear friend and see that one is not free to sin without some 'suffering' of ones own! Repent, seek forgiveness.

God bless you

 

[pescador]

So, if you sin you dont worry about it as Jesus suffered you dont have to?

Jesus went through all that suffering so that you could be blameless with no suffering yourself if you sinned?

You are correct!