Hidden propaganda of the coming Beast of Revelation

seventysevens · Apr 30, 2018

BABerean2 said:
The text does not say the covenant is broken in Daniel 9:27.
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You simply are not understanding all of what is happening at this time -
In the middle of the seven years, the man of lawlessness will break his covenant with Israel, stop their sacrifices (Daniel 9:27), and enter the temple to set himself up as “god” and demand worship (2 Thessalonians 2:4). This is the “abomination that causes desolation” that Jesus spoke of in Mark 13:14.
For him to proclaim that he is god and sit in the throne of the temple that was built to honor the Lord - he desecrates the temple on a vile manner because he is not the true messiah but he is the false messiah , the true Messiah Jesus will never do this , he does not make a 7 year covenant with anyone and he does not sit in a throne that has a abomination put their by himself - When the true Messiah comes he comes in Great Glory from heaven and every eye shall see Him coming and know it is the True Messiah before he reaches the earth as they realize the Jesus is coming

jgr · Apr 30, 2018

seventysevens said:
You simply are not understanding all of what is happening at this time -
In the middle of the seven years, the man of lawlessness will break his covenant with Israel, stop their sacrifices (Daniel 9:27), and enter the temple to set himself up as “god” and demand worship (2 Thessalonians 2:4). This is the “abomination that causes desolation” that Jesus spoke of in Mark 13:14.
For him to proclaim that he is god and sit in the throne of the temple that was built to honor the Lord - he desecrates the temple on a vile manner because he is not the true messiah but he is the false messiah , the true Messiah Jesus will never do this , he does not make a 7 year covenant with anyone and he does not sit in a throne that has a abomination put their by himself - When the true Messiah comes he comes in Great Glory from heaven and every eye shall see Him coming and know it is the True Messiah before he reaches the earth as they realize the Jesus is coming

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The grammatical antecedent of "he" in verse 27 is Messiah the prince in the previous verses; i.e. Christ, not antichrist.

seventysevens · Apr 30, 2018

You should pay more attention to the context than the grammar
You simply are not understanding all of what is happening at this time -

In the middle of the seven years, the man of lawlessness will break his covenant with Israel, stop their sacrifices (Daniel 9:27), and enter the temple to set himself up as “god” and demand worship (2 Thessalonians 2:4). This is the “abomination that causes desolation” that Jesus spoke of in Mark 13:14.

Jesus will NOT do such as thing , Jesus will never confirm a covenant that last for just 7 years !!!!

Jesus will NOT set up an abomination in ANY temple at any time !!!!!!!

These Two Things prove that it is NOT Jesus

For him to proclaim that he is god and sit in the throne of the temple that was built to honor the Lord - he desecrates the temple on a vile manner because he is not the true messiah but he is the false messiah , the true Messiah Jesus will never do this , he does not make a 7 year covenant with anyone and he does not sit in a throne that has a abomination put their by himself - When the true Messiah comes he comes in Great Glory from heaven and every eye shall see Him coming and know it is the True Messiah before he reaches the earth as they realize the Jesus is coming

jgr said:
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The grammatical antecedent of "he" in verse 27 is Messiah the prince in the previous verses; i.e. Christ, not antichrist.

jgr · Apr 30, 2018

seventysevens said:
You should pay more attention to the context than the grammar
You simply are not understanding all of what is happening at this time -

In the middle of the seven years, the man of lawlessness will break his covenant with Israel, stop their sacrifices (Daniel 9:27), and enter the temple to set himself up as “god” and demand worship (2 Thessalonians 2:4). This is the “abomination that causes desolation” that Jesus spoke of in Mark 13:14.

Jesus will NOT do such as thing , Jesus will never confirm a covenant that last for just 7 years !!!!

Jesus will NOT set up an abomination in ANY temple at any time !!!!!!!

These Two Things prove that it is NOT Jesus

For him to proclaim that he is god and sit in the throne of the temple that was built to honor the Lord - he desecrates the temple on a vile manner because he is not the true messiah but he is the false messiah , the true Messiah Jesus will never do this , he does not make a 7 year covenant with anyone and he does not sit in a throne that has a abomination put their by himself - When the true Messiah comes he comes in Great Glory from heaven and every eye shall see Him coming and know it is the True Messiah before he reaches the earth as they realize the Jesus is coming

Context is subjective. It is subject to differences of opinion.
Grammar is objective. It is defined in rules which are independent of opinion.
When subjective context results in disagreement, objective grammar is used to arrive at the correct interpretation of context, and to resolve disagreement.
Grammar dictates that Daniel 9:24-27 is about Christ, not antichrist.

God bless Joshua · May 1, 2018

The 3rd Temple is planned to be built by the Jews, are we pretending we dont know.
Antichrist knows this and will use it to declare himself as God (AOD) we just wait and see for the fulfillment after Israel reachs his 70 years of age, the last generation to see the fulfillment of Bible prophecies.

seventysevens · May 1, 2018

jgr said:
Context is subjective. It is subject to differences of opinion.
Grammar is objective. It is defined in rules which are independent of opinion.
When subjective context results in disagreement, objective grammar is used to arrive at the correct interpretation of context, and to resolve disagreement.
Grammar dictates that Daniel 9:24-27 is about Christ, not antichrist.

Irregardless of what you want to call it
Subject matter or context - that FACT IS you simply cannot understand what it is saying outright

Jesus will never confirm a covenant that last for just 7 years !!!!

Jesus will NOT set up an abomination in ANY temple at any time !!!!!!!

These Two Things prove that it is NOT Jesus in Daniel 9:27

You really believe Jesus would setup an abomination ?
You believe the New Covenant last for just 7 years ?

seventysevens · May 1, 2018

Jesus will never confirm a covenant that last for just 7 years !!!!

Jesus will NOT set up an abomination in ANY temple at any time !!!!!!!

These Two Things prove that it is NOT Jesus in Daniel 9:27

You really believe Jesus would setup an abomination ?
You believe the New Covenant last for just 7 years ?

BABerean2 said:
The text does not say the covenant is broken in Daniel 9:27.

The text says the covenant is "confirmed", or "strengthened".

You are changing the text to make your Two Peoples of God doctrine work.

You are taking the New Covenant found confirmed by the Messiah in Hebrews 8:6, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and are converting it into a treaty or covenant broken by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9, by adding a "gap" of time not mentioned by the angel Gabriel.

Your interpretation is antichrist, because you have taken something that belongs to Christ and have given it to a character not in the passage.

Daniel 9:27

(CJB) He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."

(ESV) And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."

(Geneva) And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.

(GW) He will confirm his promise with many for one set of seven time periods. In the middle of the seven time periods, he will stop the sacrifices and food offerings. This will happen along with disgusting things that cause destruction until those time periods come to an end. It has been determined that this will happen to those who destroy the city."

(LITV-TSP) And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week. And in the middle of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease. And on a wing of the altar will be abominations that desolate, even until the end. And that which was decreed shall pour out on the desolator.

(KJV) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(KJV+) And he shall confirmH1396 the covenantH1285 with manyH7227 for oneH259 week:H7620 and in the midstH2677 of the weekH7620 he shall cause the sacrificeH2077 and the oblationH4503 to cease,H7673 and forH5921 the overspreadingH3671 of abominationsH8251 he shall make it desolate,H8074 even untilH5704 the consummation,H3617 and that determinedH2782 shall be pouredH5413 uponH5921 the desolate.H8076

(NKJV) Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

(YLT) And he hath strengthened a covenant with many—one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'

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BABerean2 · May 1, 2018

seventysevens said:
Jesus will never confirm a covenant that last for just 7 years !!!!

Jesus will NOT set up an abomination in ANY temple at any time !!!!!!!

These Two Things prove that it is NOT Jesus in Daniel 9:27

You really believe Jesus would setup an abomination ?
You believe the New Covenant last for just 7 years ?

Matthew 10:5-7, Romans 1:16, Galatians 1:14-18

From the 1599 Geneva Bible, which was the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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Davy · May 1, 2018

tbenedetto said:
Pretty interesting understand that usa is promoting something that russia and china will make

Certain factions in the Christian west exist that work with Communism. They are allied with the Cecil B. Rhodes faction and Fabian Socialists.

One of the groups in the U.S. they don't like people to talk about is the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations). The British Round Table group of Cecil B. Rhodes socialist students formed an American version of it in the 1920's. The CFR is a think tank of members from every major sector of U.S. society, i.e., military, education, media, religion, government, etc. They claim they don't formulate U.S. policy, not making any laws, but that's exactly what they do, and their policies show up in government policies. This information on the Round Table group and the CFR and it's history can be found in Georgetown history professor Carrol Quigley's 1960's book, Tragedy and Hope, a book which Quigley had to sue his publisher because they quit printing it and and he found out they destroyed the printing plates.

Quigley considered himself an 'Insider' and claimed he was allowed to see the "establishment" secret records for two years, like a shadow history of behind the scenes events. Quigley said he had no problem with the movement and that he had been close to it for most of his life, only that he thought the group had an instrumental hand in western history and disagreed that they wished to remain secret.

Quigley was Bill Clinton's history professor, and Clinton endorsed Quigley in his inaugural speech. Quigley said in his work they often work with the Communists and have no problem doing so. It's because they and the Communists have the same goal of a "one world government". One of the things Quigley revealed about the Rhodes group is how the Rhodes scholarship program is actually a program for training western leaders towards policy of helping to create a "one world government" (Bill Clinton was a Rhodes scholar and went to Oxford University in Britain). Cecil B. Rhodes, the British explorer and owner of South African gold and diamond mines, believed that Britain was the highest on the social ladder, and that they should be the right heirs of ruler of the free world. He was a Socialist, and he left his students his great wealth to continue that aim.

seventysevens · May 1, 2018

Absolutely RIDICULOUS!
You simply have no understanding what it really means as you just force your false interpretations on the scripture

Israel has already had in place several covenant agreement with her enemies , but each time before the confirm the agreement , some dastardly dead gets done that stops it

As usual you just dont get it

Irregardless of what you want to call it
Subject matter or context - that FACT IS you simply cannot understand what it is saying outright

Jesus will never confirm a covenant that last for just 7 years !!!!

Jesus will NOT set up an abomination in ANY temple at any time !!!!!!!

These Two Things prove that it is NOT Jesus in Daniel 9:27

BABerean2 said:
From the 1599 Geneva Bible, which was the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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Jipsah · May 2, 2018

God bless Joshua said:
What is that ?

Toy robots, I think

Jipsah · May 2, 2018

God bless Joshua said:
The fig tree (Israel) began to put forth leaves in 1948 and this generation will still be alive too see the second coming of Christ.

That generation is just about gone as it is. A generation is usually though of as about 40 years, so 70 is pushing things pretty hard, isn't it? I 'spect that all that 1948 was leading up to was 1949. Hal LIndsey and his clones were all wet.

Israel has been pushed to accept the 2 states solution but its the antichrist who will appear to make 7 years Peace Covenant between Israel-Arab.

Says nothing in the Bible, at all.

Jipsah · May 2, 2018

seventysevens said:
the false messiah will be the one who's people destroy the sanctuary and the city

This Just In: that actually happened a couple thousand years ago.

FreeinChrist · May 2, 2018

MOD HAT

Good grief. This thread had a clean up of some posts for flaming. Stop insulting each other.

Also, this thread was moved from Eschatology to Conspiracy theories.

God bless Joshua · May 2, 2018

Jipsah said:
70 is pushing things pretty hard, isn't it?

Just wait what will happen after 14th May 2018 as this generation must see the coming 7 years of grief tribulation after Gog n Magog war.

TribulationSigns · May 3, 2018

God bless Joshua said:
Just wait what will happen after 14th May 2018 as this generation must see the coming 7 years of grief tribulation after Gog n Magog war.

Nope. You got wrong "generation" of Matthew 24:32-35 to begin with. It is not 40, 70, 120 years that we need to calculate with our calendar to see if you can predict when "7-year tribulation" will start depending on the world news. That is crazy and unbiblical!

I will no longer respond to this thread that you have started as it is now considered as "Conspiracy Theories" where it belong!

Tayla · May 3, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.
This was the 70th week of Daniel during the first century.

Yes I agree. The 70th week occurred long ago, continuous with the 69 weeks -- no centuries long gap between the 69th week and the 70th week.

Shek · May 3, 2018

God bless Joshua said:
Are you going to name this a conspiracy theory ? A president make a conspiracy theory of the New World Order ?

The New World Order does not originate from the Bush administration.

Hitler ...first proposed it in Mein Kampf.

I'm not gonna link to this filthy book, but you can find it on the net.

You can go a step further and do some research on who funded the Nazi's in WW2.

Bush bank tied to Nazi funding

seventysevens · May 3, 2018

Jipsah said:
This Just In: that actually happened a couple thousand years ago.

You say that something that happened a couple of thousand years ago
"IS JUST IN" ?
That shows just how outdated your sources are

Eccl 3 - History repeats itself - nothing new under the sun

It is about to repeat again as a false Messiah is about to take control for the last time

BABerean2 · May 3, 2018

God bless Joshua said:
Just wait what will happen after 14th May 2018 as this generation must see the coming 7 years of grief tribulation after Gog n Magog war.

Are you expecting to be raptured to heaven by that date?

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