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Really? I did not know that Thor was an apostle.
I know what you meant, but the fact that the years are based roughly on the date of Jesus's birth is not any stronger evidence that he was real than the days of the week are evidence that Norse gods were real or than the months are evidence that the Roman gods were real.
That is a particularly weak argument. Though I am not a mythicist. I am interested in perhaps getting a primer on the OP's beliefs.
God Evolved
Alpha First Beginning
Isaiah 44:6
“This is what the Lord says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
Isaiah 48:12
“Listen to me, Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.
Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 21:6
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life.
Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
The proof that God exist is in the fact that spontaneous evolution of life is not possible in this universe. God evolved, then He created. From the Subatomic and the primordial Dark Matter. A type of nothing, because it has no atomic bonds to form anything. God created gravity and gravitons to form the atomic elements of this Universe.
Dark Matter is undifferentiated material which has no atomic bonds, this would make it of no particular substance. In other words, it is Nothing. And if you are willing to accept it, it is primordial, and God's store house for creating the universe from "Nothing."
Dark Matter is accepted by the mainstream scientific community. The existence and properties of dark matter are inferred from its gravitational effects on visible matter, on radiation, and on the large-scale structure of the universe. The presence of dark matter in the universe, including gravitational lensing of background objects by galaxy clusters such as the Bullet Cluster, the temperature distribution of hot gas in galaxies and clusters of galaxies and, more recently, the pattern of anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background.
According to cosmologists, dark matter is composed primarily of a not yet characterized type of subatomic particle.
The belief that God created from nothing comes from the Ramban comments on Genesis: www.sefaria.org/Ramban_on_Genesis.1.1?lang=en&layout=lines&sidebarLang=all
Dark Matter: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
The missing links are missing because life did not evolve in this Universe.
Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god formed, nor will there be one after me.
The key is the word "formed." Absolutely anything that has no beginning does not exist. God says that He is the FIRST AND THE LAST. Therefore He Began. That is why His name means "Life Began."
Astronomers detect dark matter though the effect of its gravity on the path that light takes as it crosses the Universe. As light travels through a region of dark matter, its path gets distorted by gravity. Instead of taking a straight line, the light is bent back and forth depending on how much dark matter is passes through.
Astronomers can map out regions of dark matter in the sky just by looking at the distortions in the light, and then working backwards to figure out how much intervening dark matter would need to be there to cause it.
After the creation of the Universe the Earth was later created by God. Before there was a firmament it was a formless body of water. The bible does not state how much time had passed before the creation of the Earth.
God says that no god formed before Him. He also states that none will form after Him, meaning that the element to the forming is no longer available. The word "form" would not have been used if it were not a condition.
"Pulling and gravitation, which resemble basic feminine traits, are the dominant properties of the magnetic loop. Consequently, magnetic loops have a capacity for storing energy and act to maintain the structural integrity of the entire wave formation. The electronic/energetic loop consists of expanding properties that disperse energetic matter that “disappears” into space. This is synonymous with masculine characteristics." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)
"The essential matter from which our universe is created is energetic matter. It behaves like living matter, creating every known entity, including living objects and even thought (which occurs through energetic matter–wave interaction). The essential structure of energetic matter is high-energy (concentrated energetic matter) electro-magnetic waves (picture above). This simple structure is the basis of everything: every energetic formation and the universe. In picture 2, we see that the DNA (double helix) of all living formations has the same structure as waves: two loops of the same energetic matter, behaving according to the same rules." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)
No, I have not read his work.This is brilliant... and exactly what I have believed for a number of years now as well.
Have you read any of the Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman writings on this?
Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex
Grand Unified Theory: Wave Theory and Life
Yeah, but he added that they too had to have come around by means of evolution, so he just replaced the question of our origins with the question of their origins...
Sorry.... I just thought of two other ones that might grab your fancy?
Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.
Would an Intelligence / intelligence..... who may have existed in some sense from eternity in the past......
who could learn as higher and higher levels of experiment were conducted with fundamental or nearly fundamental energy....... become emotionally attached to what was being formed and created..... especially living beings?
Near death experiencer Mellen Benedict was shown a variation on The Cyclic Model of the Universe / Multiverse that very much resembles Chapter 13 in Stephen Hawking's Universe. (It was entitled The Enthropic Principle).
Quite frankly I suspect that Dr. Hawking could be something of a Closet Theist or perhaps polytheist like Dr. Albert Einstein..... but he claims to be an Atheist.... due to the pressure that is put on our scientists to stay away from anything resembling religious belief. (High level bureaucrats and government officials have noticed that Theists......... tend to have difficulty working on new variations of Terminator Seed Technology.... and such inventions that might cause a budding philosopher some pangs of conscience?!
Could God be the most emotional being in the universe????
There you go. That is a bit better.
Do you understand how your date argument fails?
ETA: I am still interested in a primer on the Jesus as myth beliefs. I wonder what part of the forum would be appropriate for such a discussion.
Hey, this seems to be a re-introduction topic: My name is Dave
I agree that a mutually respectful dialogue can be beneficial, and informative. Hope to get to understand your position better.Hi there! I'm an atheist who enjoys talking to and debating with Christians and others in a mutually-respectful manner. Our outlook is part of what we are, and even if our outlooks are radically and fundamentally different, I think each "side" can learn a lot from the other. I'm pretty far out there as far as religion goes, as I'm a complete atheist regarding supernatural phenomena of all kinds. In addition, after a reasonable amount of study (admittedly as an amateur), I have become convinced that Jesus never actually existed (the so-called "mythicist" position). I love talking about it all with anyone who also enjoys it.
I'm JeroenI'm Michael
Peter was crucified upside down because he refused to deny Jesus Christ is the Messiah. Peter watched Jesus be crucified. So what kind of false fabrication would be that important to knowingly endure that kind of torturous death?
I was just breaking the ice. I didn't say our calendar proves Jesus existed. I was just getting started in the conversation. Actually I had just got off work and I had to drive home so I was pointing out a few things to start with.
You can never "prove" Jesus existed. At best you can find evidence for his existence. But your example does not even count as evidence as shown by the months and the days of the year.
It's a step in that direction. You are correct you can't prove Jesus existed. The calendar is just another piece of evidence. Do you think that I thought he was going to become a believer because I mentioned the calendar is based on Jesus' birth? It was the first piece of evidence I presented. I was planning on presenting more in later replies. I didn't want to write a huge book that he might not even read.
But once again, it is not "evidence", by that standard months are evidence for Roman gods and days of the week are evidence for Norse gods. It is better to see it as what it is. Just a tradition and nothing more.
I didn't know the origin of the days or months
Really? Some of the months have numbers one them, October, November, and December. They used to be the 8th, 9th, and 10th month. Some are named for gods, January is named for Janus, February for a purification feast. March for the god Mars. June for Juno. And a couple of months are name for Caesars. July for Julius and August for Augustus.
Monday, Moon-day. Tuesday for Tiw, the Germanic equivalent of Mars again, Wednesday for Odin, Thursday for Thor. Friday for Frea.
Hi there! I'm an atheist who enjoys talking to and debating with Christians and others in a mutually-respectful manner. Our outlook is part of what we are, and even if our outlooks are radically and fundamentally different, I think each "side" can learn a lot from the other. I'm pretty far out there as far as religion goes, as I'm a complete atheist regarding supernatural phenomena of all kinds. In addition, after a reasonable amount of study (admittedly as an amateur), I have become convinced that Jesus never actually existed (the so-called "mythicist" position). I love talking about it all with anyone who also enjoys it.
Thanks, everyone!Welcome!
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