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Hey Republicans, Can We End the Red Scare Already? Liberals Aren't Communists!

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I would say every child born during the cold war has been taught that.

That's exactly it, and a key demographic for the Republican base. Commies, Socialists and Liberals are bad people that don't really love America. We are probably working on the label of "Progressive" right now.

I say "we" because I am a Republican. Not because I personally hold all these terms as inherently evil. It's politics and the DEMs are doing just fine at vilifying or at least spinning some conservative principles.
 
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Great write-up! It's scary to think that a large part of our national dialogue has such a flimsy understanding of history and economics (if they even mean what they say). Obama and Sanders' policies are more akin to some form of a social market economy. From wiki:
You see?... This is much too calm. It doesn't whip anyone up into a frenzy, foaming at the mouth and raving that the world is coming to an end.

How is a Republican supposed to get elected with that?
 
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Blanket proclamations are rarely a sign of knowledge of the one's blanketed so easily in lieu of garnering an education about the specifics.


Bernie Sanders is a Communist. Democratic Socialist is the disguise.

Socialism is the next step to Communism. Jack the tax rate so that the rich make less? Why? Because they worked their tail off to become rich?

Let's look at the notion of Socialist income standards in a way most here can understand.

Little Johnny doesn't give a spit about school. He gets straight failing grades and never does his homework.
The school district decides all the 4.0 average kids are just too smart and that makes the little Johnnie's feel bad. The district puts a cap on grade point averages. Everyone achieves the same thing and the guideline to arrive at that point average is the majority of student grades below 4.0. Which are the top 1% of the school population.

POOF

Low and behold little dumb I could care less about education Johnny has a 2.25 average. And he can't even spell korectly.
While little Susie who was top of her class all through school has a 2.25 till the day she graduates.
And then when she delivers her school transcripts to Harvard and they look at her grades that fell drastically in junior high she has to explain why.
And no one at Harvard knows who the heck stupid little Johnny is. They just know that little Susie's grades are poor.
 
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Politics are nothing but a game of deception, contention and futility.
A drinking game with Calvinball rules to decide the leader of a global superpower. While the world watches in horror.
 
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People like to blur boundaries to scare voters.

1. Marxist = leninist or Stalinist. No such thing as variant , especially more democratic, forms of Marxism.

2. Socialist means Marxist-Communist.

3. Social Democracy = full dictionary defenition of socialism. In other words collective ownership of all the means of production.

4. American style liberal =social dem=socialist=marxist-communist= Leninist=Stalanist.. No such thing as differing views among anyone left of a right wing Republican. They are all the "not us people" and thus Stalinists.
 
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A drinking game with Calvinball rules to decide the leader of a global superpower. While the world watches in horror.

I dont watch in horror any more, i decided to let God take care of the worldly affairs of men instead. I believe politicians want to put the weight of the world onto our shoulders, as if we could bear it, then they make us think that if we give them the power they will remove that weight of burden, but its all just a game played between rich and powerful men who wouldn't know truth if it hit them between the eyes. I feel much better after i put faith in God and not in men, and allowed him to carry that burden instead of me. I believe it has helped my spiritual growth as well.
 
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Socialism is the next step to Communism.
Social-Democratic parties always drift to the right. Third-Way politics of Clinton and Blair have pulled Britain and the U.S. to the right and Obama was no different. Thatcher said Blair was her greatest achievement, with a smile.
 
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Socialism is the next step to Communism. Jack the tax rate so that the rich make less? Why? Because they worked their tail off to become rich?

If working their tails off was the only criterion then our streets would littered with millionaires and billionaires. Their are a great many other factors at work aside from that.
 
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Romans 13 teaches us to pay our taxes and submit to the government. That government that Paul was referring to in that scripture, at that time, was a pagan Roman government

Actually, the Bible doesn't teach us to pay our taxes and submit to government. It teaches us to render unto government that which belongs to government, and to submit to the authorities as it is God who establishes it and those authorities are only interested in serving the social contract which demands justice, yet still a peaceful society.

I think the fundamental misunderstanding by the left in most things Biblical is their desire to put their own spin on what scriptures mean. They think they give more when they have no job and give something when the Bible says that the woman who had 2 pence gave more than everyone else.

They don't even realize that Christ was edifying the woman herself because she gave of all she had for the God's use.

But in practical terms, two pence is worthless. You won't get anything done with two pence.

She gave a lot more than anyone else because she gave all she could, which was beyond her control, not intentionally because she lives in some delusion of self-righteous superiority that keeps her from ever pursuing means to give more.
 
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Actually, the Bible doesn't teach us to pay our taxes and submit to government. It teaches us to render unto government that which belongs to government, and to submit to the authorities as it is God who establishes it and those authorities are only interested in serving the social contract which demands justice, yet still a peaceful society.

Those two things mean the same thing. At least the way i read them anyway. Surely im not suggesting that Paul teaches us to follow the crooked and sinful examples that our government leaders show. The Roman government which Paul referred to in Romans 13 was a pagan government. Paul wasn't teaching us to follow paganism and to submit to its teaching. He was instead simply telling the Romans to submit to Rome's worldly government authority, and not to rebel against them or refuse to pay them taxes.
 
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Romans 13:7English Standard Version (ESV)

7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
 
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Politics are nothing but a game of deception, contention and futility.
Exactly- because anything that doesn't truly have Christ at its center- no matter how well intentioned- will fail.
 
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You see?... This is much too calm. It doesn't whip anyone up into a frenzy, foaming at the mouth and raving that the world is coming to an end.

How is a Republican supposed to get elected with that?
Don't worry, I can fix that... What he wrote is pure Leninist Marxist psycho babble, designed by the liberals to fool people into thinking that there is some form of socialism that is not 100% communist Marxist oppression!!!!
 
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Social-Democratic parties always drift to the right. Third-Way politics of Clinton and Blair have pulled Britain and the U.S. to the right and Obama was no different. Thatcher said Blair was her greatest achievement, with a smile.

But they haven't shifted right. They've shifted further left, and so have the Republicans.

Supporting big business is NOT shifting right, especially not in the way Democrats are doing it.

In case you haven't noticed, there aren't a whole lot of competitors like there used to be. Competitors are progressively being destroyed because they can't afford to keep going.

You know, it used to be pretty easy to find something you want to sell, and then just open a business to do so. Go, find something you enjoy and put all of your effort into starting a business in that. Yeah, you'll quickly see that the hurdles are very great, and not just supply and demand. Being able to simply follow all of the legal rules alone is prohibitively expensive. That's because our Socialism has grown to such proportions.

You know, you could be an ISP. Just go get a loan or save up, and buy internet IP addresses ranges that you can use to assign to your customers. You'll find that the potential profit has greatly diminished due to Net Neutrality, and that's not even talking about the regulations that help to keep ISP's as a monopoly in their area.

That doesn't happen because government is shifting right wing. Shifting right wing in the U.S. means to make things easier for businesses to flourish, means to progress back towards a more free economy that makes it easier for you to decide to and to start a business of your own, not more difficult so that only the biggest and richest of them survive.

You're getting crony Capitalism, which is another term for Socialism, confused with Capitalism.

You see, what many of you seem to be missing here is the fundamental nature of Socialism.

Do you think businesses go away under Socialism? Did you think Stalin abolished profit? Do you think China and North Korea have destroyed big business? No, their economies would crash without suppliers for people to purchase what they need. They simply changed the dynamic of big business in that one or two businesses needed to oversee their entire sector of the economy. I don't know what name they call it, but it's a practice of the rich all working together to be the upper class, the ruling class, collectively controlling all sectors of the economy at the expense of the economically equal lower class.

They didn't call them monopolies, but that was their function, to be the monopoly that the government could pull the strings of in order to control the economy.

Socialism cannot control the economy without some form of monopoly in every sector of the economy. Either the monopoly is held by government directly, by a close network of rich elite allies. Either way Socialism requires monopolies to function.

And that's exactly what Democrats are working towards. If you haven't noticed, all of Democrat economic policies are geared towards specific government-controlling goals. One of their main avenues is to tax and fee and make it as impossible as we allow them too for new competitors to form and rise up to challenge their monopolistic allies.

You see it's like this. If you're one of them, like Microsoft or any number of virtual monopolies progressively siding left these days, if you are the main provider in a sector of the economy, if you're corrupt, then you want taxes, regulations, fee because nothing that government can do will bring you more profit than being the sole or one of a few sole providers of a good or service.

Think about it, from debt to tech, the most monopolistic of companies are going towards the left and Democrats. I would do the same if I were corrupt and greedy. I would do everything in my power to get on the side of the Democrats because they're strangle and destroy every single one of my competitors out of business. I would ask for my taxes to be raised, donate to every grotesque liberal cause like abortion, make everyone think I'm this enlightened company when in reality, I'm just doing my part to strangle out my competitors so that I'm the only one of a few left. It wouldn't matter how much Democrats raised my taxes and fee'd me, it would never have the detrimental impact that it will have on my less wealthy competitors who will inevitably crash and burn as I fill the gap they leave behind. It will never be enough to even remotely take away all of the extra profits I will make by being only one of few providers.
 
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I believe that sharing all things, like we see in Acts chapter 4, is good, but it cannot be forced on anyone in the church because that contradicts scripture. It should instead be taught by example, i believe. The Church leaders must teach by example. Forcing unbelievers to live in a certain way also contradicts scripture. The Church judges itself but not the world. God judges the world himself.

To add politics to our faith is not wise.

No Christian pastor have I ever seen growing up as an Army brat Christian has ever even remotely suggested that we should force our faith upon others either inside or outside of the church. Even if one tried, I don't see how it would be possible.

Do you think that feeling guilty because of sin you have in your life is the same as Christians forcing their faith upon you. Perhaps you feel convicted, and instead of humbling yourself to find out why you feel this way and acknowledging the things in your life that are wrong, you are more inclined to blame others, that somehow it's their fault for "forcing" it upon you somehow . . . ?

I can see how Satan would try and make one feel that way. Shoot, I've been tempted to feel that way. But I always knew it was ridiculous, so that thinking never went very far for me.
 
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No Christian pastor have I ever seen growing up as an Army brat Christian has ever even remotely suggested that we should force our faith upon others either inside or outside of the church. Even if one tried, I don't see how it would be possible.

Do you think that feeling guilty because of sin you have in your life is the same as Christians forcing their faith upon you. Perhaps you feel convicted, and instead of humbling yourself to find out why you feel this way and acknowledging the things in your life that are wrong, you are more inclined to blame others, that somehow it's their fault for "forcing" it upon you somehow . . . ?

I can see how Satan would try and make one feel that way. Shoot, I've been tempted to feel that way. But I always knew it was ridiculous, so that thinking never went very far for me.

Please dont try to psycho analyze my words friend. I was referring to mixing politics and religion. Nothing more.
 
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The Republican Party is bursting with politicians who evidently think liberals are communists—even Presidential candidates. Donald Trump has called Bernie Sanders a communist multiple times.

Well, perhaps if you would just listen instead of just believing what you need to believe, you'd see why they keep saying that.

First of all, Bernie Sanders is an admitted Socialist, and Socialism is the native economic structure to Communism . . . and all modern dictatorships to date.

Second, we conservatives judge things by the value of action. We look at what they believe and say and do, and by that, we determine that because they're following the patterns of Communism, they must believe in Communism, or they're simply too brainwashed to realize that they do. Since we conservatives tend to think that all humans have a level of common sense, we tend to believe that they aren't actually that stupid, and that they actually do believe in Communism, they simply aren't admitting to it . . . for obvious reasons.

Communism is bad, again, for obvious reasons. It does not afford us the freedom to do as we see fit. It gives absolute power to a few people to dictate how people are to live, how and economy is to run, and even what God we are allowed to worship. Sounds a lot like a dictatorship doesn't it . . . ? Yeah, that's because it is. Words don't make a whole lot of difference. You can call it Nazism . . . back before the stigma was developed around that term, you can call it "Community" . . . ism, which is the fundamental deception of Communism, BTW, you can call it progressivism, you can call it liberalism, but in the end, it's all the same beast, systems that give the elites all of the power so that they can decide everything. And more often than not they destroy freedom.

Do you understand why Communism as Karl Marx talked about it only seems to work for everyone in the cold north with the Eskimo's?

I'll tell you why. One, the big one, corruption, special favors, oppression would almost definitely result in either the death of the leader/s or in their replacement and shame. In other words, their communities are as such that to become greedy and selfish means you'll probably die, especially if you're the leader.

Another thing, it contradicts the system that God put in place with the Jews. You do realize that the concepts of free market and Capitalism came directly from the Jews and the concepts they learned from the system passed down through Moses by God.
 
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Don't worry, I can fix that... What he wrote is pure Leninist Marxist psycho babble, designed by the liberals to fool people into thinking that there is some form of socialism that is not 100% communist Marxist oppression!!!!

Speaking of psycho babble.
 
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Well, perhaps if you would just listen instead of just believing what you need to believe, you'd see why they keep saying that.

First of all, Bernie Sanders is an admitted Socialist, and Socialism is the native economic structure to Communism . . . and all modern dictatorships to date.

Second, we conservatives judge things by the value of action. We look at what they believe and say and do, and by that, we determine that because they're following the patterns of Communism, they must believe in Communism, or they're simply too brainwashed to realize that they do. Since we conservatives tend to think that all humans have a level of common sense, we tend to believe that they aren't actually that stupid, and that they actually do believe in Communism, they simply aren't admitting to it . . . for obvious reasons.

Communism is bad, again, for obvious reasons. It does not afford us the freedom to do as we see fit. It gives absolute power to a few people to dictate how people are to live, how and economy is to run, and even what God we are allowed to worship. Sounds a lot like a dictatorship doesn't it . . . ? Yeah, that's because it is. Words don't make a whole lot of difference. You can call it Nazism . . . back before the stigma was developed around that term, you can call it "Community" . . . ism, which is the fundamental deception of Communism, BTW, you can call it progressivism, you can call it liberalism, but in the end, it's all the same beast, systems that give the elites all of the power so that they can decide everything. And more often than not they destroy freedom.

Do you understand why Communism as Karl Marx talked about it only seems to work for everyone in the cold north with the Eskimo's?

I'll tell you why. One, the big one, corruption, special favors, oppression would almost definitely result in either the death of the leader/s or in their replacement and shame. In other words, their communities are as such that to become greedy and selfish means you'll probably die, especially if you're the leader.

Another thing, it contradicts the system that God put in place with the Jews. You do realize that the concepts of free market and Capitalism came directly from the Jews and the concepts they learned from the system passed down through Moses by God.

I was a once conservative republican, at one time. I gave up that messy worldly political snare because the Lord lead me away from it. It is a snare and will cause our love for God and this world to be divided. We can serve only one master. We cannot marry corrupt politics and the Gospel together, Light and darkness have no agreement. "Come out from among them" says God "and do not touch the unclean thing". "Be holy because i am holy", says God. I could preach all day to you about this, but i wont.

Im not a Conservative Republican any more, nor am i a liberal democrat either. My loyalties are with Christ alone now. I put no faith in men whatsoever. Its a snare. Beware my friend, it surly is.
 
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