Hey neo calvinist

[J3thekingofking]

The internet is full of calvinist stuff. When you google a meaning of a verse you'll most likely landed on a calvinist site.

I'm not anti calvinist but when I debate with one they're super sure they're right. Then I asked them did they read anything outside of their eco chamber they can't answer. Not sure it's the same with any other group. In order to debate or discuss, at least your knowledge can't be just limited to your own circle. Calvinist think they are the only group of the majority in the Christian world but the reality is they have an unique view of certain things.

If other groups which consist of millions of Christian came to a different conclusion, wouldn't it makes them think they might be wrong?

 

[Hammster]

The internet is full of calvinist stuff. When you google a meaning of a verse you'll most likely landed on a calvinist site.

I'm not anti calvinist but when I debate with one they're super sure they're right. Then I asked them did they read anything outside of their eco chamber they can't answer. Not sure it's the same with any other group. In order to debate or discuss, at least your knowledge can't be just limited to your own circle. Calvinist think they are the only group of the majority in the Christian world but the reality is they have an unique view of certain things.

If other groups which consist of millions of Christian came to a different conclusion, wouldn't it makes them think they might be wrong?

Not a single Calvinist you’ve debated has read anything outside their so-called echo chamber? That seems far fetched since most Calvinists come from other theological viewpoints.

Also, when you make a debate point, do you think you’re wrong?

 

[J3thekingofking]

Not a single Calvinist you’ve debated has read anything outside their so-called echo chamber? That seems far fetched since most Calvinists come from other theological viewpoints.

Also, when you make a debate point, do you think you’re wrong?

You're not ready for a debate when you are a Christian with 1 Yr exp and have attended a calvinist for a year. If you don't know something just say don't know.

 

[Hammster]

You're not ready for a debate when you are a Christian with 1 Yr exp and have attended a calvinist for a year. If you don't know something just say don't know.

I don’t know what “attended a calvinist” means. Or, for that matter, what your point is.

 

[J3thekingofking]

I don’t know what “attended a calvinist” means. Or, for that matter, what your point is.

Typo, calvinist church

 

[Hammster]

Typo, calvinist church

I don’t attend a Calvinist church, so I don’t see the relevance.

Anyway, here’s my first post, if you’d care to address it.


Not a single Calvinist you’ve debated has read anything outside their so-called echo chamber? That seems far fetched since most Calvinists come from other theological viewpoints.

Also, when you make a debate point, do you think you’re wrong?

 

[Tom 1]

The internet is full of calvinist stuff. When you google a meaning of a verse you'll most likely landed on a calvinist site.

I'm not anti calvinist but when I debate with one they're super sure they're right. Then I asked them did they read anything outside of their eco chamber they can't answer. Not sure it's the same with any other group. In order to debate or discuss, at least your knowledge can't be just limited to your own circle. Calvinist think they are the only group of the majority in the Christian world but the reality is they have an unique view of certain things.

If other groups which consist of millions of Christian came to a different conclusion, wouldn't it makes them think they might be wrong?

Calvin was a lawyer, and that legal training had a profound effect on his interpretation of the scriptures. When anyone tries to nail down a kind of holistic approach to bible interpretation like that, and claims to have got it right, by definition you can be sure they are wrong. The bible is way more complex than some set of legalistic notions about it, but we’re all different and some people find that kind of approach appealing. It offers a kind of clarity that, while entirely false, has a particular appeal.

 

[Hammster]

Calvin was a lawyer, and that legal training had a profound effect on his interpretation of the scriptures. When anyone tries to nail down a kind of holistic approach to bible interpretation like that, and claims to have got it right, by definition you can be sure they are wrong. The bible is way more complex than some set of legalistic notions about it, but we’re all different and some people find that kind of approach appealing. It offers a kind of clarity that, while entirely false, has a particular appeal.

It seems that, if this is true, you can’t be sure of anything.

 

[Tom 1]

It seems that, if this is true, you can’t be sure of anything.

Very few things. I think that’s just a basic truism, most of the things we think are true are just random approximations.

 

[SamInNi]

The internet is full of calvinist stuff. When you google a meaning of a verse you'll most likely landed on a calvinist site.

I'm not anti calvinist but when I debate with one they're super sure they're right. Then I asked them did they read anything outside of their eco chamber they can't answer. Not sure it's the same with any other group. In order to debate or discuss, at least your knowledge can't be just limited to your own circle. Calvinist think they are the only group of the majority in the Christian world but the reality is they have an unique view of certain things.

If other groups which consist of millions of Christian came to a different conclusion, wouldn't it makes them think they might be wrong?

I'm not sure why you've added "neo" to Calvinist. Really the true Calvinist will be very enthusiastic about most of the views expressed throughout John Calvin's writings. But maybe it's what some Calvinists call themselves these days? (I'm not one myself, and non-demoninational too.)

Really it doesn't matter what label a person hangs on himself, what matters most is what he actually believes that's properly grounded in Scripture. In my long experience most confessing believers who consistently hold to a high view of Scripture have a lot in common and strongly disagree on very little.

But not everyone handles God's Word "accurately" (we don't have to look far), and many of those who don't will find fault all over the place with just about everybody! Immaturity, lack of knowledge and the many flaws of human nature are often the main problems in online debates and discussions, regardless of the label.

Looking at the bigger picture, we should keep in mind Bible texts that warn against controversy, bickering about words, speculations, strife, and the like.

 

[Hammster]

Very few things. I think that’s just a basic truism, most of the things we think are true are just random approximations.

I believe that there’s absolute truth, and it’s found in scripture.

 

[Tom 1]

I believe that there’s absolute truth, and it’s found in scripture.

Most things doesn’t mean everything. Sure some things are true, most of our ideas about what that means to any degree of exactitude aren’t.

 

[Hammster]

Most things doesn’t mean everything. Sure some things are true, most of our ideas about what that means to any degree of exactitude aren’t.

Then you can’t even say that this statement is true.

 

[Tom 1]

Then you can’t even say that this statement is true.

You appear to be taking ‘most things’ to mean ‘everything’, which it doesn’t.

 

[Hammster]

You appear to be taking ‘most things’ to mean ‘everything’, which it doesn’t.

Let’s go with most things. How do you know your truth statement is true?

 

[Tom 1]

Let’s go with most things. How do you know your truth statement is true?

This is getting a bit silly. On the opposite end of the scale would be ‘everything is true’. Do you believe that to be an accurate statement? If not then somewhere in between is ‘some things are true’, assuming, based on what you have said, you believe some things are true; so, the next question is what things? The things that you know about and believe? The things you know about and believe plus some other things you don’t know about but assume would be true if you did know about them (some part of the bible you aren’t familiar with for example)? What quantity of ‘things’ in the whole universe of things people believe/think/assume does that add up to? All/most/some/ or not many?

 

[Hammster]

This is getting a bit silly. On the opposite end of the scale would be ‘everything is true’. Do you believe that to be an accurate statement? If not then somewhere in between is ‘some things are true’, assuming, based on what you have said, you believe some things are true; so, the next question is what things? The things that you know about and believe? The things you know about and believe plus some other things you don’t know about but assume would be true if you did know about them (some part of the bible you aren’t familiar with for example)? What quantity of ‘things’ in the whole universe of things people believe/think/assume does that add up to? All/most/some/ or not many?

Maybe we are talking past each other. So let me ask this. Do you believe there’s an absolute truth?

 

[Tom 1]

Maybe we are talking past each other. So let me ask this. Do you believe there’s an absolute truth?

An absolute truth about what?

 

[Hammster]

An absolute truth about what?

About anything? For instance, do you believe John 14:6 is absolutely true for all people?

 

[Tom 1]

About anything? For instance, do you believe John 14:6 is absolutely true for all people?

That's a question of faith - something you or I may believe to be true. Whether or not anyone thinks they 'know' it is true beyond all possible doubt is neither here nor there, it either is or it isn't, we can believe it or not but our belief or lack of belief makes no difference to whether or not it is 'absolutely true'.