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What exactly constitutes a hero? What makes a man or woman heroic?

I would have to say it would be bravery and courage, extreme dedication to a cause regardless of the cost. An excellent example would be the Greek Spartans at Thermopylae. The Spartans numbered only about three hundred men and the Persians fielded almost a million men. The Spartans stood and fought, slaughtering twenty thousand Persians before being killed. They knew that there was no possible way to win but they stood and fought, even when they lost thier weapons, Herodotus tells us that they bit and tore at the Persians with thier nails and teeth.

These men are truly heroic in my view.
 

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There are many sorts of heroes. All heroes courageously pursue, rather than shy away from, the Great Challenge of their lives, whatever that may be.

Blessed is the one who has a heroic sense of life -- someone who deep down views people, and especially him or herself, as able to rise to the challenges of life. Not as weak or helpless victims.


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What is a hero? WHat makes one a hero? That is a question that which I have toiled with for some time. Is it sacrifice? But sacrifice of what? If one sacrifices his life, than what is his goal? The livelihood or appreciation of others? Why sacrifice one's self, if those you fight for are not willing to make such a sacrifice? And why seek a goal which you will never benefit from? WHy seek appreciation from those that have used your life, to ease their sufffering? Why save men who do not truly value your life until your death? Why save men that need you to accomplish their goals but you do not need them to accomplish yours?
If a man saves another from peril, why does no one condemn the man that needed to be saved for placing himself in mortal danger? Why does no one condemn that saver for saving a foolish man that welcomes peril in his life, and possible danger to others, to repeat his history? And he will. For he will assume to be saved again and grow careless.
IF your house caught fire what would you attempt to retrieve before your house collapsed? The things you need. Not want, need.
So if a man saves another, is he admitting he needs that man. What is a man who needs another? A dependent.
In a primitve sense of mankind, a man that can not grow and hunt his own food, build his shelter, sustain his security, or supply his own needs, will perish. If he is to remain alive for the sustinence of other what is he then? Not a man, but a parasite. That which cripples, drains, or kills the thing that gives it life, that which takes and gives nothing, that which does not build does destroy.
A civilized example of this are welfare recipients. They do not produce, but take the production of others. They hang their weight on the arms of the laborers, the legs of the explorers, and on the heads of the thinkers. He who does not produce, consumes others labor to sustain his life. He who does not build, molds walls which he can not mend, with his stolen breath. These are the people who need to be saved. Why would one want to add weight to his back,which already hunches with the weight of his needs? Why slow your steps with strain that you need not endure. That retards your progression?
We have always been told that heroes face unbeatable odds, gave their lives, time, and comfort for others. If these are the people or futile and irational ideas that heroes give to, then are they heroes or fools?
If morality and vitrue or spiritual achievement are the reasons for a heroes actions, then those heroes must check those teachers premises. Sadly, I think they will find those teachers and exhalters need a fool to save them. I think the question here is not what is a hero, but makes an able man stoop to burden himself with the mistakes, short-comings and failures of others? What drives a man to die to protect himself from the weak that turned to force because they could not produce their own substinence?
 
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Hero;
A person held up by their socioty, as representing all the virtues of their socioty.

The Spartans at Thermopylae faced about 50,000 assorted persians and mercenarys, Not a million.
But they did stand and die defending a mountain pass against an invading army. They knew they had a choice. They knew they could run to safety. They knew the persian general was open to negotiation. They knew the persians were attempting to punish Athens for its raids against Persian posessions, And that Athens was an enemy of Sparta...
... But they also knew that victory would give them a sort of immortality. Today every Greek school-child learns to recite the names of those 300 Spartans who died 2500 years ago.

Of course it also helps that they were on the winning side. There are no doubt Persians who were as courageous and determined, But they were defeated and their history erased.
 
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What exactly constitutes a hero? What makes a man or woman heroic?

I would have to say it would be bravery and courage, extreme dedication to a cause regardless of the cost. An excellent example would be the Greek Spartans at Thermopylae. The Spartans numbered only about three hundred men and the Persians fielded almost a million men. The Spartans stood and fought, slaughtering twenty thousand Persians before being killed. They knew that there was no possible way to win but they stood and fought, even when they lost thier weapons, Herodotus tells us that they bit and tore at the Persians with thier nails and teeth.

These men are truly heroic in my view.

Umm, no.

There were not almost one million. The actual number was closer to 10,000. Even today the US would be hard pressed to mobilize 1000000 fighting men. Furthermore, even though there were only 300 Spartans, those Spartans had 700 Thespian volunteers, putting their numbers at 1000. So all in all it was not 300:1000000 but about 1:10. The creators of '300' get a "Go back to Sophomore History Class" card. Do not pass 'Go'. Do not collect $200.

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[Steezie]What exactly constitutes a hero? What makes a man or woman heroic?

That's easy........

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Someone who wears their pants over their trousers :p
 
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Umm, no.

There were not almost one million. The actual number was closer to 10,000. Even today the US would be hard pressed to mobilize 1000000 fighting men. Furthermore, even though there were only 300 Spartans, those Spartans had 700 Thespian volunteers, putting their numbers at 1000. So all in all it was not 300:1000000 but about 1:10. The creators of '300' get a "Go back to Sophomore History Class" card. Do not pass 'Go'. Do not collect $200.

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Wikipedia disagrees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae

The Persian military unit is listed as being 10,000 strong, but estimates run as high as an army of 5,000,000. Also, let's not make the mistake that just because this happened 2500 years ago, there were necessarily fewer people.
 
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Wikipedia disagrees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae

The Persian military unit is listed as being 10,000 strong, but estimates run as high as an army of 5,000,000. Also, let's not make the mistake that just because this happened 2500 years ago, there were necessarily fewer people.
I suppose I can forgive the fact that you are quoting the Encyclopedia Editable by Five-Year-Olds, but not the fact that you only read the first tidbit. The size of the army is taken from the words of Herodotus, and are surely an exaggeration. Modern experts say that all considered, the area could have supported at most 170,000. Either way, it was not a battle of 300 vs 1000000. It was more accurately a battle of 1000 vs 10000
 
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The Spartans at Thermopylae faced about 50,000 assorted persians and mercenarys, Not a million.
There were not almost one million. The actual number was closer to 10,000.
We actually dont have a definitive number, estimates range between 50,000 and two million.

Herodotus puts the Persian army at 2,641,610 (Herodotus VII,186)
Fleet crew 517,610 Infantry 1,700,000 Cavalry 80,000 Arabs and Libyans 20,000 Greek puppet troops 324,000 Total 2,641,610
Most agree that this figgure is unrealistic. But the Persian empire has shown that it could and did raise very large armies of men. An army 500,000 fighting men is not unreasonable

Furthermore, even though there were only 300 Spartans, those Spartans had 700 Thespian volunteers, putting their numbers at 1000.
The Thespians had mostly been killed by the end of the battle but yes they did stand with the Spartans
 
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I suppose I can forgive the fact that you are quoting the Encyclopedia Editable by Five-Year-Olds, but not the fact that you only read the first tidbit. The size of the army is taken from the words of Herodotus, and are surely an exaggeration. Modern experts say that all considered, the area could have supported at most 170,000. Either way, it was not a battle of 300 vs 1000000. It was more accurately a battle of 1000 vs 10000

Yes, the source is Herodotus. Yes, the source is probably exaggerated. But I don't think anyone gets sent back to highschool history for citing Herodotus.
 
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Good Question. I have known many people who in the performance of duty have performed many heroic acts. Many without even giving it a second thought. I have been in situations when I have just simply reacted to help and have been called by some a hero for doing it. I do not think a real hero knows He or She is one. They are just people who care about others abundantly and simply react and do the right thing. Interesting question. Thought provoking for certain. Thank You and God Bless...
 
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