Here's my problem, I believe in evolution, and it brings up doubts especially in the OT...

[TLK Valentine]

English works just fine.

He didn't die that day.

Funny what it takes to ignore this one simple truth...

 

[redleghunter]

What's wrong with English? Was the Bible poorly translated?

Some are better than others. However, when there is difficulty in the English you must go to the languages used in the translation.

Sounds like it took quite some time to come up with a plausible excuse...

More than plausible. As we see Peter knows of God's patience and long-suffering as he knew the TaNaKh well.

David should have been stoned to death by Mosaic law. He was not. There's a reason for such. We are not struck down dead with our first overt sin for a reason. The Grace and Mercy of God is not just a NT new found concept. We see God's Grace and Mercy throughout TaNaKh as well.

 

[redleghunter]

And so you return to this idea that you're teaching something here...

No not teaching. Just correcting misunderstandings.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Who is shoehorning? Paul? Peter? John? Luke? Are you saying only Christian Jews should be theologians or expounders on Scriptures? Who is not respecting observant Jews?

Don't be silly -- three out of those four were Christian Jews... It's everyone who came after them who screwed it up by first separating from Judaism, and then trying to hijack it.

 

[redleghunter]

Whereas your contempt for those who don't find your arguments as compelling as you do remains laser-focused....

Now comes the point where you make another comment on your superiority in these matters... go ahead; I'll wait.

The only attempt of hubris on this thread is you for considering yourself learned on the Scriptures.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Some are better than others. However, when there is difficulty in the English you must go to the languages used in the translation.

Genesis 2:17 --"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Tell us where the difficulty is in the English.

More than plausible. As we see Peter knows of God's patience and long-suffering as he knew the TaNaKh well.

David should have been stoned to death by Mosaic law. He was not. There's a reason for such.

In the words of the Jewish prophet Mel Brooks, "It's good to be the King..."

We are not struck down dead with our first overt sin for a reason. The Grace and Mercy of God is not just a NT new found concept. We see God's Grace and Mercy throughout TaNaKh as well.

Tell that to Uzzah... and about a couple of million other people I could mention who never got the warning.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The only attempt of hubris on this thread is you for considering yourself learned on the Scriptures.

Right on cue! I must give you credit, friend -- you know how to follow a script...

 

[redleghunter]

Funny what it takes to ignore this one simple truth...

Or ignore the larger truth I opined on already....Grace and Mercy. Always offered first by God before Judgment.

There is a some very good 'read the Bible in a year' plans I could recommend to you so you have a fuller understanding of the TaNaKh and Brit Hadashah.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Or ignore the larger truth I opined on already....Grace and Mercy. Always offered first by God before Judgment.

Always, you say? Might want to look into that...

In any event, Someone who lied once might do so again...

There is a some very good 'read the Bible in a year' plans I could recommend to you so you have a fuller understanding of the TaNaKh and Brit Hadashah.

Gusundheit!

 

[redleghunter]

Don't be silly -- three out of those four were Christian Jews... It's everyone who came after them who screwed it up by first separating from Judaism, and then trying to hijack it.

So you are former Messianic Jewish? You believe Christians today both Jewish and Gentile should be observing the feast days and most of the Mosaic law?

We do have Christians (Gentiles and Jews) that do exactly that. They have the liberty to do so in their walk with Christ. See Colossians 2.

 

[redleghunter]

Genesis 2:17 --"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Tell us where the difficulty is in the English.

There is not. Just your conclusion is flawed as I pointed out three times now.

In the words of the Jewish prophet Mel Brooks, "It's good to be the King..."

And a Scottish prophet once said "There can only be one."

Tell that to Uzzah... and about a couple of million other people I could mention who never got the warning.

Uzzah knew the Law. David was upset too. It is natural for us to be upset but such in a huge misunderstanding that we can fully know the Mind of God.

 

[redleghunter]

Right on cue! I must give you credit, friend -- you know how to follow a script...

Just trying to take a little time out of my busy schedule to expose specious attempts at theology.

 

[TLK Valentine]

There is not. Just your conclusion is flawed as I pointed out three times now.

Three tries, three failures. In baseball, that would signal the end of an inning.

And a Scottish prophet once said "There can only be one."

And that Scottish prophet decapitated those who got in his way.

We do agree, though, that David, under the law, should have been stoned for his transgressions.... and had he not been King, probably would have.

Uzzah knew the Law. David was upset too. It is natural for us to be upset but such in a huge misunderstanding that we can fully know the Mind of God.

David was more than upset... I suspect we're talking about different transgressions.

 

[TLK Valentine]

So you are former Messianic Jewish? You believe Christians today both Jewish and Gentile should be observing the feast days and most of the Mosaic law?

Nope, and nope. You're all over the map here.

We do have Christians (Gentiles and Jews) that do exactly that. They have the liberty to do so in their walk with Christ. See Colossians 2.

And good for them. We should all be free to worship as we wish... or not at all, if we so wish. Agreed?

 

[redleghunter]

Nope, and nope. You're all over the map here.

Thank you for the clarification.

And good for them. We should all be free to worship as we wish... or not at all, if we so wish. Agreed?

Yes we all have free will. Life is all about choosing wisely or poorly.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes we all have free will. Life is all about choosing wisely or poorly.

The wisest choice in that instance being to walk away from the magical "eternal life" ritual entirely...

Irony, thy name is Spielberg.

 

[Uncle Siggy]

Humans are quick to forget a lot.

Especially some voters...

 

[PsychoSarah]

How would you know that?

Know that there are a lot of past civilizations that did not worship Yahweh? Historical documentation, commentary by Europeans when they encountered people in the Americas for the first time. It is brought up a lot by them that the natives had "never heard of the Lord".

 

[PsychoSarah]

Now try it in the Hebrew, paleo-Hebrew or even LXX Greek.





Why is that though? The answer follows after that. The answers continue to be revealed many years to centuries after as well. Yet Adam did die. Hint: 2 Peter 3:9

I actually have a friend that was able to read to me some of the bible as it is in Hebrew. It does seem much better written in that language, it is a shame that the English translation sounds like such garbage sometimes, in terms of writing style.

Still has a lot of wacky stuff in it though.

 

[redleghunter]

Know that there are a lot of past civilizations that did not worship Yahweh? Historical documentation, commentary by Europeans when they encountered people in the Americas for the first time. It is brought up a lot by them that the natives had "never heard of the Lord".

Not entirely accurate. Read Romans chapter 1 through chapter 2.