Here's my problem, I believe in evolution, and it brings up doubts especially in the OT...

[JacksBratt]

Nice,

So, your saying that the Egyptian artist purposefully painted the beings ultra large as a spoof, a trick. These paintings and other works of art were done as a record of history. Not some archaic trick photography.

Nice pic though. If it was me, I would do it in a manner that showed me pushing it over.....just my way of looking at things I guess.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Look at the size of these guys working on the megalith... And to think this is the same people who had cone shaped heads, built huge structures and created art with these giant people in them. Then we find giant skulls in this day and age shaped like the people in these works of ancient art....

No,,, must be hoax.... must not change history, must follow leader, don't question leader, teacher or news man.....

Someone has obviously never heard of 'taking artistic license'.

 

[Nithavela]

Nice,

So, your saying that the Egyptian artist purposefully painted the beings ultra large as a spoof, a trick. These paintings and other works of art were done as a record of history. Not some archaic trick photography.

Nice pic though. If it was me, I would do it in a manner that showed me pushing it over.....just my way of looking at things I guess.

Painting important figures as larger than life was an important artistic technique popular in ancient as well as medieval times.

Alternatively, Jesus was the tallest baby ever.

 

[JacksBratt]

Painting important figures as larger than life was an important artistic technique popular in ancient as well as medieval times.

Alternatively, Jesus was the tallest baby ever.

Yes, of course this is artistic license...

To compare two dimensional Egyptian hieroglyphics with the age of Renaissance where they were exploring the use of proper proportion is a great argument....again, sarcasm, Sheldon.

 

[TLK Valentine]

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Yes, of course this is artistic license...

To compare two dimensional Egyptian hieroglyphics with the age of Renaissance where they were exploring the use of proper proportion is a great argument....again, sarcasm, Sheldon.

Is it your claim, then, that the Egyptians weren't sophisticated enough to associate size with importance?

Visited any pyramids lately?

 

[Jimmy D]

I see JacksBratt is an art historian now, where did you study? Youtube?

Back to reality though, the bigger the size of the figure depicted the more important their place in the Egyptian hierarchy, it's a well known artistic convention.

 

[JacksBratt]

I see JacksBratt is an art historian now, where did you study? Youtube?

Ah, no, but nice try. Youtube... that's funny. I like how people think that youtube is just for people with cat video's though..... time to catch up people. Youtube is an educational tool now. Not just epic fail vids.

But no, I studied enough art to know the difference between Egyptian works and the Renaissance art.

Love the comparison of two art styles that are worlds and millennia apart, yet still used in comparison in the attempt to prove a fact to be untrue.

Back to reality though, the bigger the size of the figure depicted the more important their place in the Egyptian hierarchy, it's a well known artistic convention.

"back to reality"? really?

This intelligent race of people decided to depict their people the same height as these grand works of construction because..... the worker is important? people would understand that the weren't really this tall?

I don't buy it. I have posted just a few examples of this phenomena. There are all kinds of them. Some showing these large beings carrying stone blocks to build the pyramids.

But, then again, if you studied much deeper you would run the risk of finding holes in your beliefs. Best you just slough it off as "baloney" and go live your life of bliss.

 

[Jimmy D]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchical_proportion

Hierarchical proportion is a technique used in art, mostly in sculpture and painting, in which the artist uses unnatural proportion or scale to depict the relative importance of the figures in the artwork.

For example, in Egyptian times, people of higher status would sometimes be drawn or sculpted larger than those of lower status.

During the Dark Ages, people with more status had larger proportions than serfs. During the Renaissance images of the human body began to change proportion was used to depict the reality an artist interpreted.


Have you got any other evidence of these giants (apart from the paintings, which can be explained)? Historical records, eyewitness accounts, bones, footprints etc? Maybe they're all being kept secret in a vast global conspiracy so we can never know they existed? I've certainly never heard of any archaeologists or historians offering them up as an explanation of how the pyramids were built.

I believe they painted Gods with human bodies and animal heads etc, are these real too?

Best you just slough it off as "baloney" and go live your life of bliss.

That is my intention, thanks.

 

[JacksBratt]

For example, in Egyptian times, people of higher status would sometimes be drawn or sculpted larger than those of lower status.

Yes, because the workers creating the megalith were of such grand status...... ok..... what ev's

Here ya go....

https://muhammadabdo.wordpress.com/...ent-egypt-the-giant-humans-forbidden-history/

 

[wndwalkr99]

Accept the observational evidence and your problems will resolve themselves.

Asian mates with Asian and produces ONLY Asian. African mates with African and produces ONLY African. Only when Asian and African mate is variation seen within the species or Kind. The Asian does not evolve into the Afro-Asian nor does the African evolve into the Afro-Asian.

Husky mates with Husky and produces ONLY Husky. Mastiff mates with Mastiff and produces ONLY Mastiff. Only when Husky and Mastiff mate is variation seen within the species or Kind. The Husky does not evolve into the Chinook nor does the Mastiff evolve into the Chinook.

Brown bears mate with Brown bears and produce ONLY Brown bears, Bottle-nosed dolphin mate with Bottle-nosed dolphin and produce ONLY Bottle-nosed dolphin, This is true for every animal in existence.

The problem lies in interpretation. If evolutionists had never seen a dog and knew nothing about them and found fossils of the Mastiff and Husky and then later in the layer found fossils of the Chinook, they would insist that either the Husky or the Mastiff evolved into the Chinook. We know from direct observation this is not what occurred, even if the Chinook appears later in the record. Worse yet, they would insist the Husky, Mastiff and Chinook were all separate species - simply because their appearances were different. Just as they have done in the fossil record.

These:

are no different than these:

Merely different infraspecific taxa in the species or Kind to which they belong - not separate species. They have simply ignored the observational evidence when it came time to classify the fossil record and have incorrectly classified 90% of the creatures that existed as separate species.

Theistic evolution starts from the same incorrect assumptions in their desire to feel they are practicing science - when evolution has no basis in science to begin with - but is based upon the requirement that we ignore all observational evidence of how life propagates and variation occurs within the species.

Wow, you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what you're talking about. "Kind"? LOL!!!!

 

[Nithavela]

Dad site tho.

 

[wndwalkr99]

If Genesis is only allegory, then the message of death coming into the world through Adam's sin is only allegory. If death is normal (or in the case of evolution, required) then Jesus dying on the cross for our sins is not necessary (or not even welcome). I cannot see any way to make evolution compatible with special creation without throwing out the central message of the whole Bible, that man sinned and cannot be reconciled to God through his own efforts, but God made a way through Jesus.

You are SO CLOSE here....

 

[wndwalkr99]

Dad site tho.

What?

 

[Nithavela]

You can almost taste the brimstone.

 

[Nithavela]

What?

Post #183

 

[smaneck]

If your source is Steven Greer, it is bogus. He's a known shyster and a liar. I have documentary evidence that he falsely reported his meetings with people and what they actually said. I tried to post it here but for some reason I couldn't. Be happy to send it to you via private email, however.

 

[wndwalkr99]

If your source is Steven Greer, it is bogus. He's a known shyster and a liar. I have documentary evidence that he falsely reported his meetings with people and what they actually said. I tried to post it here but for some reason I couldn't. Be happy to send it to you via private email, however.

I'd like to see that.

 

[TLK Valentine]

This intelligent race of people decided to depict their people the same height as these grand works of construction because..... the worker is important? people would understand that the weren't really this tall?

Just because you didn't get it doesn't mean other people wouldn't.

 

[Jimmy D]

Yes, because the workers creating the megalith were of such grand status...... ok..... what ev's

Here ya go....

https://muhammadabdo.wordpress.com/...ent-egypt-the-giant-humans-forbidden-history/

I'm just about to go home so I'll be brief - That is one of the most ridiculous websites I've ever seen. We're greeted by this banner....

A worldwide conspiracy, of course!



Is this your proof? Maybe it's a normal bloke carrying a normal sized bit of rock or did Egyptians only ever cut rock to one large size as shown in the photo?

Giant ducks too!

Anyway, I've wasted enough time on this rubbish, suffice to say I don't accept it, but of course you're entitled to your beliefs.

 

[JacksBratt]

If it's just a matter of understanding how the original audience would have understood Genesis, then there should be no other problems, no other contradictions. This is, after all, part of hermeneutics: interpreting Scripture with Scripture.

If Genesis is only allegory, then the message of death coming into the world through Adam's sin is only allegory. If death is normal (or in the case of evolution, required) then Jesus dying on the cross for our sins is not necessary (or not even welcome). I cannot see any way to make evolution compatible with special creation without throwing out the central message of the whole Bible, that man sinned and cannot be reconciled to God through his own efforts, but God made a way through Jesus.

Bingo.....

Thus, evolution denies the need for Christ and or the existence of God.
This is Satan's whole concept here. Get you to believe that God doesn't even exist or is even necessary for anything to exist.

Of course, this is it's purpose. No God = No need to repent or accept that you are a sinner. You don't have to face who you really are, admit it and ask for forgiveness.
Which, in all actuality, is a very simple thing for anyone who wants to face the truth about themselves.