Helsinki

[Traveling teacher]

I'm just wondering if you Trumpsters still support the President even in his shameful statements he made in his joint press conference with Putin.

For those of you catching up with the news, Trump is denying that Russia interfered with the last election, and actually disparaged the US intelligence agencies, saying that Moscow was a more reliable source of information.

Not only has American Intelligence determined that Russian hacking did occur, it has indicted Russian nationals for the hacking.

President Trump met with Putin for two hours, and simply decided he believed him more, saying (paraphrasing), Putin says it never happened and there really is no reason for Russia to do such a thing.

Trump is being skewered by his own party for his own statements. Even Fox News is giving him negative coverage.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who has criticized the president's posture toward Russia in the past, called it "one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory."

Former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a Trump confidant, called the president's comments "the most serious mistake of his presidency."

Retiring Republican Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona, a frequent critic of the president, said Trump was wrong to hold the U.S. partly responsible for the deterioration of the relationship between the two countries. "I never thought I would see the day when our American President would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression. This is shameful," Flake said.

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., who rarely criticizes Trump publicly, contradicted Trump's equivocations about Moscow's election meddling and said "the president must appreciate that Russia is not our ally...There is no question that Russia interfered in our election and continues attempts to undermine democracy here and around the world," Ryan said in a statement.

Republican Sen. Bob Corker, chairman of Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he didn't think it was "a good moment for our country. "Actually, sometimes the president cares more about how a leader treats him personally than forcefully getting out there and pushing against things that we know have harmed our nation, and I thought that's what we all experienced today," Corker said.

Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, pushed back against Putin’s assurance at the Helsinki summit that his country did not meddle in the election, calling it "a lie" and adding that it should be recognized as one by the president. "Vladimir Putin is not our friend and never has been. Nor does he want to be our friend. His regime’s actions prove it. We must make clear that the United States will not tolerate hostile Russian activities against us or our allies," Burr said in a statement.

Mitt Romney, the former Republican presidential candidate now running for U.S. Senate in Utah, called Trump's "decision to side with Putin" over the conclusions of American intelligence agencies "disgraceful and detrimental to our democratic principles."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...kers-pundits-react-trump-s-joint-news-n891736

this is a long going fued between Putin and the clintons....
it goes back to 2011 when Hillary meddled in the russian elections
but even way back to the 1990s
https://spectator.org/dick-morris-bill-clinton-meddled-in-russian-election-for-yeltsin/
We, Clinton and I, would go through it and Bill would pick up the hotline and talk to Yeltsin and tell him what commercials to run, where to campaign, what positions to take. He basically became Yeltsin’s political consultant.

“I think that Putin resented that, hated it, thought that it was an inappropriate intervention by Bill Clinton and I think he’s determined to take his revenge out on Hillary Clinton.”

dick morris was a consultant for Buffalo Bill at the time and goes into detail how Bill called Yeltson and gave consulting advice on a continual basis before the election

Has nothing to do with Trump as they just tried to get him caught up in the middle of the fued which he didnt buy into....

 

[ChavaK]

No matter what it is he says or does, you guys will disapprove of it.

This. No matter what he does, people are going to condemn it.

 

[Go Braves]

No, I don't.

Well then that's a start. Saucy, have you paid attention to what Dan Coats has said regarding this? Or Mitch McConnell? John Bolton? You may not have any respect for our intelligence communities, on account of your devotion to Trump, but they do.

Trump crapped the bed in Helsinki, Saucy. He disgraced himself & our country. You can keep gushing that it smells like a bunch of roses & that everybody else, including Republicans, are just meanie lefties on account of saying he stunk up the place if need be.

But again, the FBI, CIA, and others are PROVEN corrupt agencies.

No, they're not. They're fallible, just like their equivalent agencies around the world. You don't see the leaders of other countries betraying their intelligence agencies like Trump did ours. It's an extraordinarily stupid thing to do, Saucy.

I can't blame Trump for not trusting them.

Anyone with an understanding of the office of the presidency can blame him for not trusting them. He should have stuck with being a tacky TV show host instead of being in a position that must work with them. The real issue is that Trump doesn't like things that interfere with his pride.

That's the thing about hacking. Real hackers know how to hide their identity. And the CIA knows how to make things look like however they want it to look.

Ok, well if you want to believe that you might as well believe we're all in the Matrix or whatever.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...stockpiled-techniques-other-hackers/98867462/

So no, I don't trust those agencies as far as I could throw them. I don't trust Russia either.

Well then I suggest you also don't decide to ever take on any job that will entail having a relationship with them, Saucy.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

I'm just wondering if you Trumpsters still support the President even in his shameful statements he made in his joint press conference with Putin.

For those of you catching up with the news, Trump is denying that Russia interfered with the last election, and actually disparaged the US intelligence agencies, saying that Moscow was a more reliable source of information.

Not only has American Intelligence determined that Russian hacking did occur, it has indicted Russian nationals for the hacking.

President Trump met with Putin for two hours, and simply decided he believed him more, saying (paraphrasing), Putin says it never happened and there really is no reason for Russia to do such a thing.

Trump is being skewered by his own party for his own statements. Even Fox News is giving him negative coverage.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who has criticized the president's posture toward Russia in the past, called it "one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory."

Former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a Trump confidant, called the president's comments "the most serious mistake of his presidency."

Retiring Republican Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona, a frequent critic of the president, said Trump was wrong to hold the U.S. partly responsible for the deterioration of the relationship between the two countries. "I never thought I would see the day when our American President would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression. This is shameful," Flake said.

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., who rarely criticizes Trump publicly, contradicted Trump's equivocations about Moscow's election meddling and said "the president must appreciate that Russia is not our ally...There is no question that Russia interfered in our election and continues attempts to undermine democracy here and around the world," Ryan said in a statement.

Republican Sen. Bob Corker, chairman of Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he didn't think it was "a good moment for our country. "Actually, sometimes the president cares more about how a leader treats him personally than forcefully getting out there and pushing against things that we know have harmed our nation, and I thought that's what we all experienced today," Corker said.

Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, pushed back against Putin’s assurance at the Helsinki summit that his country did not meddle in the election, calling it "a lie" and adding that it should be recognized as one by the president. "Vladimir Putin is not our friend and never has been. Nor does he want to be our friend. His regime’s actions prove it. We must make clear that the United States will not tolerate hostile Russian activities against us or our allies," Burr said in a statement.

Mitt Romney, the former Republican presidential candidate now running for U.S. Senate in Utah, called Trump's "decision to side with Putin" over the conclusions of American intelligence agencies "disgraceful and detrimental to our democratic principles."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...kers-pundits-react-trump-s-joint-news-n891736

Let's just put it this way, under no circumstance will I support in the way of a vote for a pro-choice party candidate, which includes other baggage such as: pro-gun control, pro-tax increases, and big brother socialism, not to mention catering to special interest groups rather than the will of the people, not to mention ties to morally bankrupt Hollywood as a whole. People may come and go in politics, but the issues at stake remain relatively the same. The party platform issues will always be greater to me than individuals relative position to the polarized platforms. Say what you will about the morality or lack of individuals within a political party, but I prefer to look at the bigger picture in it all.

 

[visionary]

And Putin said "$400 million he received from Hillary.. yet this thread isn't about that.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Seriously? Obama let the Russians hack us! He knew it was going on and he didn't stop it. He told his tech guys to 'stand down'! THAT is treasonous. And no, what Trump did today doesn't even compare to that. You're extreme bias is showing if you think that.

Using your logic, Trump is allowing countries to currently hack us.

 

[Go Braves]

 

[visionary]

Come on now. Russia isn't our enemy. You just hate them because you believe they helped Trump win. If Hillary won, you wouldn't give two thoughts about Russia. Even Obama said they're not a threat to us.

Putin said that he gave $400 million to Hillary... https://truepundit.com/putin-hillar...ion-from-tax-free-money-during-2016-election/

 

[Saucy]

Putin said that he gave $400 million to Hillary... https://truepundit.com/putin-hillar...ion-from-tax-free-money-during-2016-election/

And when Hillary gave 20% of our uranium to Russia, and Bill Clinton was suddenly paid millions, Russia sure wasnt our enemy then. Only now, in the age of Trump, because the haters say so.

 

[Go Braves]

And when Hillary gave 20% of our uranium to Russia, and Bill Clinton was suddenly paid millions, Russia sure wasnt our enemy then.

Well 1st of all Saucy, that's wrong. Trump has crapped out a lot of whoppers, that being one of them.

Only now, in the age of Trump, because the haters say so.

Do you think Mitch McConnell is a hater? Lulz. He's refuted Trump's summit statements & said, "the EU "is our friend, the Russians are not."

 

[Saucy]

Well 1st of all Saucy, that's wrong. Trump has crapped out a lot of whoppers, that being one of them.



Do you think Mitch McConnell is a hater? Lulz. He's refuted Trump's summit statements & said, "the EU "is our friend, the Russians are not."

There's a huge difference between refuting Trump and not agreeing with his statements and calling it treason. Youre so angry I saw where you said "his fat legs". I know my support is frustrating, but your hatred is stiffling your testimony.

I dont like how things went down at all. Trump looked exhausted and fumbled his words. I dont trust Russia, but there's no doubt in my mind that these agencies are corrupt and tried to overthrow Trump's win. I think most Americans dont trust the intelligence agencies either, especially after the Iraq bungle. The CIA is no different than the KGB.

Trump sided not with Putin, but with peace. I agree with Ron and Rand Paul who sided with Trump. Poking the bear and insulting Putin on national TV is not diplomacy.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Yes still with him. He didn't do anything wrong.

I'm with him too. According to a news update there was one word that was mispoken and could make all the difference in the world. Instead of saying "wouldn't" he said "would"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...lsinki-putin-meeting-live-updates-2018-07-17/

 

[Saucy]

I'm with him too. According to a news update there was one word that was mispoken and could make all the difference in the world. Instead of saying "wouldn't" he said "would"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...lsinki-putin-meeting-live-updates-2018-07-17/

They dont buy it and they never would.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

They dont buy it and they never would.

Oh well, at least they cannot say there did not know.

Here's a copy of the full transcript as well:

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/16/17576956/transcript-putin-trump-russia-helsinki-press-conference

 

[Meowzltov]

Let's just put it this way, under no circumstance will I support in the way of a vote for a pro-choice party candidate, which includes other baggage such as: pro-gun control, pro-tax increases, and big brother socialism, not to mention catering to special interest groups rather than the will of the people, not to mention ties to morally bankrupt Hollywood as a whole. People may come and go in politics, but the issues at stake remain relatively the same. The party platform issues will always be greater to me than individuals relative position to the polarized platforms. Say what you will about the morality or lack of individuals within a political party, but I prefer to look at the bigger picture in it all.

Lots of third party candidates to choose from of superior quality.

 

[Go Braves]

There's a huge difference between refuting Trump and not agreeing with his statements and calling it treason. Youre so angry I saw where you said "his fat legs". I know my support is frustrating, but your hatred is stiffling your testimony.

Treason is an act of betrayal to your country. That is precisely what Trump did. Your support isn't frustrating at all, Saucy. It's predictable. I've explained this to you before, I'll explain it you one more time. I don't hate Trump or anybody else. What you're doing is classic projection. I do think he's a terrible & weak leader, which is precisely why our adversary put forth so much effort to meddle in our election on his behalf.

I dont like how things went down at all. Trump looked exhausted and fumbled his words. I dont trust Russia, but there's no doubt in my mind that these agencies are corrupt and tried to overthrow Trump's win. I think most Americans dont trust the intelligence agencies either, especially after the Iraq bungle. The CIA is no different than the KGB.

To say that the CIA is not different than the KBG is to either be profoundly ignorant of the facts, or just dishonest about them.

Trump sided not with Putin, but with peace. I agree with Ron and Rand Paul who sided with Trump. Poking the bear and insulting Putin on national TV is not diplomacy.

He sided with himself, Saucy. Not with the US, not with peace. It's just asinine to say that it's promoting peace or being diplomatic. Russia cyber-attacked our country & will do it again. They're not interested in peace with us. They're interested in Trump doing precisely what they wanted him to do when they put so much effort behind him. Create a poorly constructed facade. Mitch McConnell shouldn't be the one having to tell Russia to not meddle in our election again. Trump should have done that, but since their meddling serves him, he's not going to.

 

[Saucy]

It wasnt treason. You haters keep over exaggerating with the tough, scary words, like "Hitler", "racist", "evil", "treason" and demanding impeachment since day one. It's outplayed.

You dont know what Trump said in private. All you have are assumptions, anger, and hate. Arent you getting exhausted screaming at the sky yet?

 

[pinacled]

This is probably more appropriate in the American Politics forum.

I agree wholly with you sir.
The subject of matters of the state are not necessarily a concern when discussing new moons and what not.

I doubt open heart understands exactly how the U.S. government operates.
And doubtedly has any relatives who have served in the military.
Simply applying the rhetorical divination practices of the mainstream media will only cause strife and further dissent.

For one,
There are more than two parties in the legislative branch.
Two,
The D.O.D./Military serves the excecutive branch in breifing the President before speaking to foriegn government leaders.

Again,
The messianic judaism forum is not the place to be critiquing something about national security.

 

[Go Braves]

It wasnt treason. You haters keep over exaggerating with the tough, scary words, like "Hitler", "racist", "evil", "treason" and demanding impeachment since day one. It's outplayed.

It was the literal definition of treason, Saucy. In fact
Treason’ Is Top Searched Word After Trump-Putin Press Conference

You dont know what Trump said in private.

Which is on account of Trump's decision to only have him & Putin and translators in the room, despite his advisors explaining to him how patently stupid that was.

All you have are assumptions, anger, and hate.

We have the established fact that Russia cyber-attacked our country. The only ones denying that are the same sort of folks who also believed in the birther conspiracy nonsense & other such foolishness. We have what he said publicly. So it's asinine to say that we only have assumptions.

Arent you getting exhausted screaming at the sky yet?

I've never tried screaming at the sky but maybe you can give me some tips on how to keep screaming & not go hoarse. Football season is just around the corner, lol.

 

[Go Braves]

I'm with him too. According to a news update there was one word that was mispoken and could make all the difference in the world. Instead of saying "wouldn't" he said "would"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...lsinki-putin-meeting-live-updates-2018-07-17/

Oh yes, he just misspoke for 40 minutes straight. Then went on Hannity to misspeak some more. Lulz. Trump had the chance to correct himself on that purported misspoken word when he was giving an interview with Tucker Carlson. He doubled down on the narrative instead of cleaning it up. It's only when his own people made it abundantly clear that he'd screwed up on extraordinarily that he weakly claimed he'd just misspoken.

I agree with this:
Trump's Attempt to Mop Up His Disastrous Putin Press Conference Is Just Insulting