Helsinki

[ubicaritas]

Don't these guys watch The Americans?

"There is no such thing as a former KGB man" - Vladimir Putin

 

[Saucy]

That's exactly what Trump has done, Saucy. Actual diplomats have resoundingly disagreed with you that Trump was just being diplomatic.



Subservient idolization of Trump isn't reasonable, Saucy. I thought you said you weren't even going to participate in discussions about Trump on account of how it triggers you? I'm not on the left, nor are many of the folks who have repudiated Trump for his actions in Helsinki. You didn't answer the previous question. Do you see Dan Coats as being one of the "you guys"?

No, I don't. But again, the FBI, CIA, and others are PROVEN corrupt agencies. I can't blame Trump for not trusting them.

That's the thing about hacking. Real hackers know how to hide their identity. And the CIA knows how to make things look like however they want it to look.

The documents also suggest that one of the agency’s divisions – the Remote Development Branch’s UMBRAGE Group – may have been cataloguing hacking methods from outside hackers, including in Russia, that would have allowed the agency to mask their identity by employing the method during espionage.

“With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types, but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the ‘fingerprints’ of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from,” Wikileaks said in a statement.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...stockpiled-techniques-other-hackers/98867462/

So no, I don't trust those agencies as far as I could throw them. I don't trust Russia either.

 

[chinese buffet]

Doesn't the Constitution of the Russian Federation establishes a special legal status for the Bank of Russia, giving it the exclusive right to issue currency and oversee financial stability?

In other words, Russia is overseen by a centralized bank just like the States.

Yes it is, just like most countries in the world.

 

[Kaon]

Yes it is, just like most countries in the world.

And, what has Trump, or Putin done about the evil centralized banking web?

I agree with your initial thesis, but I would hope to establish that if you recognize that centralized banks are a part of the worldwide demise, you also realize no world leader has done anything to manage or reform it. It isn't even on any world leader's top list of priorities.

So, neither Trump, nor Putin are doing revolutionary work, and both are still playing a dangerous game exploiting the ignorance of their easily distracted populations, respectively. Agree?

 

[chinese buffet]

And, what has Trump, or Putin done about the evil centralized banking web?

I agree with your initial thesis, but I would hope to establish that if you recognize that centralized banks are a part of the worldwide demise, you also realize no world leader has done anything to manage or reform it. It isn't even on any world leader's top list of priorities.

So, neither Trump, nor Putin are doing revolutionary work, and both are still playing a dangerous game exploiting the ignorance of their easily distracted populations, respectively. Agree?

Yes I agree 100 percent that is my point....everything else is a façade

 

[Saucy]

And my final point, no one knows what they talked about privately. Trump could've very well told Putin that he wouldn't tolerate such a thing happening again, but decided to give what I feel is a more diplomatic response in front of the world. Only the haters want to keep bringing up the hacking because they think Trump is behind it. He took a hit politically today, but when the investigation ends and it's found Trump wasn't involved, this will go away.

 

[Kaon]

Yes I agree 100 percent that is my point....everything else is a façade

Oh, ok.

Wow...

 

[thecolorsblend]

I'm just wondering if you Trumpsters still support the President even in his shameful statements he made in his joint press conference with Putin.

For those of you catching up with the news, Trump is denying that Russia interfered with the last election, and actually disparaged the US intelligence agencies, saying that Moscow was a more reliable source of information.

Not only has American Intelligence determined that Russian hacking did occur, it has indicted Russian nationals for the hacking.

President Trump met with Putin for two hours, and simply decided he believed him more, saying (paraphrasing), Putin says it never happened and there really is no reason for Russia to do such a thing.

Trump is being skewered by his own party for his own statements. Even Fox News is giving him negative coverage.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who has criticized the president's posture toward Russia in the past, called it "one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory."

Former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a Trump confidant, called the president's comments "the most serious mistake of his presidency."

Retiring Republican Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona, a frequent critic of the president, said Trump was wrong to hold the U.S. partly responsible for the deterioration of the relationship between the two countries. "I never thought I would see the day when our American President would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression. This is shameful," Flake said.

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., who rarely criticizes Trump publicly, contradicted Trump's equivocations about Moscow's election meddling and said "the president must appreciate that Russia is not our ally...There is no question that Russia interfered in our election and continues attempts to undermine democracy here and around the world," Ryan said in a statement.

Republican Sen. Bob Corker, chairman of Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he didn't think it was "a good moment for our country. "Actually, sometimes the president cares more about how a leader treats him personally than forcefully getting out there and pushing against things that we know have harmed our nation, and I thought that's what we all experienced today," Corker said.

Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, pushed back against Putin’s assurance at the Helsinki summit that his country did not meddle in the election, calling it "a lie" and adding that it should be recognized as one by the president. "Vladimir Putin is not our friend and never has been. Nor does he want to be our friend. His regime’s actions prove it. We must make clear that the United States will not tolerate hostile Russian activities against us or our allies," Burr said in a statement.

Mitt Romney, the former Republican presidential candidate now running for U.S. Senate in Utah, called Trump's "decision to side with Putin" over the conclusions of American intelligence agencies "disgraceful and detrimental to our democratic principles."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...kers-pundits-react-trump-s-joint-news-n891736

So what you're saying is the very officials whom Republican voters hate the most are on the record for hating the official whom Republican voters love the most?

 

[Meowzltov]

And my final point, no one knows what they talked about privately. Trump could've very well told Putin that he wouldn't tolerate such a thing happening again, but decided to give what I feel is a more diplomatic response in front of the world. Only the haters want to keep bringing up the hacking because they think Trump is behind it. He took a hit politically today, but when the investigation ends and it's found Trump wasn't involved, this will go away.

It is not going to go away that Trump sold out our country today.

 

[Meowzltov]

No, I don't. But again, the FBI, CIA, and others are PROVEN corrupt agencies. I can't blame Trump for not trusting them.

That's the thing about hacking. Real hackers know how to hide their identity. And the CIA knows how to make things look like however they want it to look.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...stockpiled-techniques-other-hackers/98867462/

So no, I don't trust those agencies as far as I could throw them. I don't trust Russia either.

Saucy: If you are going to trust an ENEMY of our country over ALL of our intelligence agencies combined, including joint congressional committees, then all I can say is that your view isn't within the bounds of reasonability and I can't have a normal discussion with you.

 

[Saucy]

It is not going to go away that Trump sold out our country today.

Except, he didn't sell out our country. Obama did that. Hillary did that when she sold our uranium to Russia for a kickback to her foundation. They weren't such a big threat then, were they?

 

[Saucy]

Saucy: If you are going to trust an ENEMY of our country over ALL of our intelligence agencies combined, including JOINT congressional committees, then all I can say is that your view isn't within the bounds of reasonability and I can't have a normal discussion with you.

Come on now. Russia isn't our enemy. You just hate them because you believe they helped Trump win. If Hillary won, you wouldn't give two thoughts about Russia. Even Obama said they're not a threat to us.

 

[Meowzltov]

Come on now. Russia isn't our enemy. You just hate them because you believe they helped Trump win. If Hillary won, you wouldn't give two thoughts about Russia. Even Obama said they're not a threat to us.

The Soviet Union was our enemy. When it fell, Russia replaced it. It continued to maintain anti-American policies and attitudes. Yes, it is our enemy. Even Trump admits that. I heard him say it on the news tonight (right after he said that our allies, the European Union, were actually our enemy).

 

[Saucy]

I seriously challenge you to watch this. It was TWO WEEKS before the election when Obama already knew what Russia was doing. How come there was 'no evidence' of it then, according to him, but suddenly all these agencies agree after Trump wins? It's quite shady to me. No, I don't trust the agencies.

 

[Meowzltov]

Except, he didn't sell out our country. Obama did that. Hillary did that when she sold our uranium to Russia for a kickback to her foundation. They weren't such a big threat then, were they?

I am NO FRIEND of Obama and Hillary. But nothing they did compared to what Trump did in Helsinki.

 

[Saucy]

According to the democrats, Russia wasn't even a threat. "The cold war is over!"

 

[Saucy]

I am NO FRIEND of Obama and Hillary. But nothing they did compared to what Trump did in Helsinki.

Seriously? Obama let the Russians hack us! He knew it was going on and he didn't stop it. He told his tech guys to 'stand down'! THAT is treasonous. And no, what Trump did today doesn't even compare to that. You're extreme bias is showing if you think that.

 

[Saucy]

Daniel was quoted saying to his team that they had to stop working on options to counter the Russian attack: "We've been told to stand down." Prieto is quoted as being "incredulous and in disbelief" and asking, "Why the hell are we standing down?"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-down-order-against-russian-cyberattacks.html

If you're looking for treason, THAT'S treason. Trump's comments weren't treason or anywhere close to it. All Trump said is Putin strongly denies it. That's it.

 

[Traveling teacher]

sure the russians meddled in the US election
reason:
Hillary meddled in the Russian election in 2011
http://time.com/4422723/putin-russia-hillary-clinton/
She set the tone for certain actors inside the country; she gave the signal,” Putin said of Clinton at the time, accusing her of ordering the opposition movement into action like some kind of revolutionary sleeper cell

so blame Hillary for the whole mess...she started it.....

she also stole leaders in the DMC to undermine Uncle Bernie
and steal questions from CNN for the debates
https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...ions_for_hillary_but_blames_the_russians.html

blame hillary and the dems they are all corrupt
accept maybe Uncle Bernie
and look how it works when you play by the rules in the democratic party.....you lose.....

 

[Saucy]

Putin is an ex-KGB agent. He's extremely careful and doesn't leave his fingerprints on anything. He wouldn't do something so blatant and obvious and then deny it. Wikileaks themselves, who has a 100% reliability rating and has never published fake news, said it wasn't Russia.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange denied Thursday that Russia was the source of leaked emails from Hillary Clinton campaign chief John Podesta.

Democrats have said the emails were obtained from Russian hackers and were fed to the whistle-blower website to sabotage Clinton's electoral hopes. Last month, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security issued a statement saying the U.S. intelligence community was "confident" the Russian government directed the leaks.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-wikileaks-didnt-get-emails-russia/93245454/

So no, I don't trust these agencies who have long been run by democrats who have the capabilities to make sources look like it came from Russia, was found to have bias against Trump, tried to overthrow Trump's presidency, and are even under investigation right now for texts talking about preventing Trump from becoming president. There's more to the story.