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[Polycarp_fan]

There were at least three other Messianic movements going on at the same time. We don't nearly hear as much fanfare about them. I will also point out, none of those movements caught fire in the gentiles. Paul was really good at converting gentiles.

None of the movements were the real thing.

Yeshua didn't meet the messianic prophecies before his death, from their point of view. Why exactly would they accept them?

I don't care about the opinions of the people that rejected Jesus. I am not an apostle to the Jews. But in any regards, these people have had many directions they have traveled away from even the law of Moses. No surprise about Jesus.

 

[Inviolable]

I was not sure where this question belonged. I belive it went in ask a chaplain, but im not sure if these forums are still being used, as is the case for quite a few forums ive been to.
Somone posed questions to me in a debate, that have shaken my foundation. My problem lies here. If Jesus said, turn the other cheek. To basically show them your other cheek, so they can slap it. To feed them, and give them housing, and have no cross feelings toward them. In the story, where im not sure which person it was, someone came to arrest jesus and the person cut off the romans ear. Jesus said no, he healed the man and allowed himself to be arrested. Barabus who was chosen over jesus, was supposed to be like a revolutionary and said to fight back against the romans. But he was wrong.
The thing that plagues me is this. The person I was debating against said that christians were supposed to allow themselves to be killed. They were doing the right thing and that there was nothing wrong with being killed as long as they were good in their faith and that they followed jesus's way with being killed, instead of fighting back. My question that is hurting me, is why didn't all of the christians in that time, line up in front of the romans and start quoting prayers and confirming thier faith. After all christians were wiped out, the world would be left to the heathens and everyone that believed in the gospel would be in heaven. Instead, the way they fought back, was by telling other people and having children.
Which leads me to today. With all of the bombings and the other terrorists going around with the intent to kill all christians, shouldnt we be turning the other cheek, should we just rebuild the towers. Should we welcome them into our country and put no penalty on the killing of us. The only thing I could counter with, is that we would not be around to witness and allow future generations to hear the gospel. But I felt defeated. The idea of what we are doing in iraq, and afghanistan is completely against what jesus said? I dont understand. plz help.

That's a big wall of text, I think I went cross eye'd reading it.

The thing to remember Kentoro is that this is a message board.
It's a debate board, nothing more. People are going to say whatever it takes to make their point. Asking a bunch of Christians why we're not lining up to die for terrorist is simply a form of debate.

Nothing more.

I think, the question you really and honestly need to ask yourself is,
"does Jesus want you to die?" The answer is obvious.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

You can read about the Jewishness of the Christians from the issue between Paul and Peter. Be that as it may, Jesus also referred to the fact that His disciples were children of Israel.

Then it spread out.

You had better go back and read your gospels, son.
I named at least 3 who believed in Jesus who were NOT Jewish.

 

[tcampen]

if you cannot relate to my question posted above, plz quit arguing over your selfish quarrel, and post the real problem that you have in a different thread. I do not mean to be rude, but when people are reading my post, they are going to see your bickering, and forget that my question asks if how we do things as christians today is correct, in terms of the new testament. (Currently we are in an aggresive stance in a country fighting for our beliefs and getting vengeance, the main one being religion. But doesnt that go against the teachings, Are you supposed to "fight" at all.) In all actuality, no matter what you call it, we are in a different country killing people. Maybe it is self defense, but are we not supposed to defend ourselves?

I don't think Jesus was saying we should all just lay down and take it. Reasonably defending oneself or others against unjustified aggression does not seem to contradict the basic moral teachings of Jesus. (What parent wouldn't defend her child against an attacker?) But I think what Jesus was saying is that we should retain love in our heart when we act, and act accordingly. Even in defense of oneself or others, we do not do so out of hate, anger, or any evil intention, but out of necessity, love and compassion.