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[RMDY]

I was told that when we receive the Holy Spirit, changes occur within us. I feel these changes since last august when I declared Jesus as my Lord and Saviour despite going to church here and there since 16 and being baptised as a baby.

I can feel myself waging war against my sin nature and I am certain because of this I have the Holy Spirit, but I am not entirely sure what gifts I have. I've prayed for relief from suffering before and received it, but not in all situations and most of the time when I pray for something, it is answered and I feel God had diciplined me before and humbled me so much ever since August. I feel like I am being prepared and refined, and molded into something new! If I deny all this work that is happening within me, then I feel I am blaspheming the Holy Spirit! I still feel I am going through many changes!
And only lately did I realize it is the Holy Spirit working within me to change me and only recently did I start trying to seek gifts from the Holy Spirit.
The other day I found this weird wort in my mouth and I prayed a prayer of healing for myself and said in prayer that I was willing to be healed of it, and within one hour, the wort started to go away and only part of the roots were left, but they went away within a day and only this kangersore looking thing is left and disappeared a day and a half later. I am quite aware that things take time, such as the moving of the withering of the tree through Jesus command.
(I have never had a wort in my mouth before but I also prayed that same day for my headache to go away and it instantly did)

I don't exactly know whats gifts I have and I strongly desire for the gift of healing and prophesy.

 

[RMDY]

No one has laid hands on me for the Holy Spirit, but I believe I have it ever since I put my faith in the Lord and made it in my heart for him to be my Lord and Saviour. And I have felt all these changes within me ever since last august, especially on self-control and loving others and I have nearly read the whole bible within one year.

 

[DavidPresently]

No one has laid hands on me for the Holy Spirit, but I believe I have it ever since I put my faith in the Lord and made it in my heart for him to be my Lord and Saviour. And I have felt all these changes within me ever since last august, especially on self-control and loving others and I have nearly read the whole bible within one year.

Greetings in the name of Yahshua (Jesus) the Messiah,

Rejoice in the work going on in your life, giving your Savior and your God all thanksgiving and praise!

From reading what you wrote, it seems to me that you've experienced being made a new man in Messiah, which is what is spoken of in John 3 when Yahshua spoke with Nicodemus.

Everyone who is born of the Spirit has available what you described, and they then (and only truly then) become aware of the war between their new spiritual nature, and their old corrupt fleshly nature. It has been my observation of a couple decades of experience in the churches that most professing Christians aren't made new by the Spirit yet - at least there are no signs of it in most.

There is no greater honor bestowed on us by grace than to have the right to become children of God, born of the Spirit. This is our beginning in the family of God. Before one experiences this, but is religiously a Christian by mental belief, they are not true children yet manifesting. One way for me to put this to you is to realize that most of the masses Yahshua preached to believed in him and his works, but were not true disciples yet. The disciples, which were more than just 12 though 12 were the inner circle, were changed much more in spirit and had access to more revelation of and in Messiah than did the masses.

Concerning the wart in your mouth, you prayed the prayer of faith, which any believer can do. In fact, faith works for all men, as all men are given the measure of faith, not just believers. What men use their measure for is what differs. I'm sure you can guess what Bill Gates used his for and what he believed in making his pursuit.

Most men do not use their measure of faith and build their faith up (by exercise) to pray in faith for healing and such like you did. May you continue to exercise and grow in that area. The "Word of Faith" movement includes the restoration of truth concerning the speaking and prayer of faith as Yahshua taught. Be careful with imbalances and extremes, though, which have infiltrated all movements.

There are different gifts of healing given supernaturally by the Holy Spirit as he wills, and they are for supernatural healing, and are a different ministry than using the prayer of faith or having the elders anoint with oil and pray for the sick. All are valid ways to be healed. Kenneth Hagin books about healing do a good job of explaining the differences of these things, and speak from a scriptural perspective along with real experience in his life with all of these works for healing.

There are measures of the work of the Holy Spirit fore the child of God. The new birth is the first, the starting point. One can have such and not gain anymore, and still grow inwardly in spiritual maturity, being refined and made more and more like Yahshua in character over time.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit (and fire) is another level or measure of the work of the Holy Spirit received (as a faithful promise) by the child of God after the new birth, even if immediately after.

That still isn't the fullness available for the child of God in Messiah. There are then various anointings that may be poured out over us for service to the Kingdom being established on earth, as well as greater infillings and refinement (sanctification). Many in the Pentecostal movement have made the baptism the end, when it is just another beginning. This is why many people in the movement and many assemblies led by such pastors become dry, and eventually have to work up things in the flesh or fake stuff to still appear as Pentecostal.

We are to be continually filled with the Holy Spirit and receive fresh anointing upon us as we go. Yesterday's infilling and oil was for yesterday, today we are to be refreshed.

In all of the progressive works of the Holy Spirit we may receive, the same Spirit works them in and on us.

We will not arrive at the end of the race, or finish the building of the house, until we have received every measure for us in this age, having continued to seek more, and accomplish our mission as we were destined for, and then been resurrected with a new and glorious body (flesh-spirit) that is incorruptible, unlike our current flesh (flesh-blood = soul).

We receive the fresh and new work of the Holy Spirit in our lives, by faith, just as we receive anything.

One way of thinking about the new birth verses the baptism is this: The new birth is helpful for you, as you become a child of God and are more aware of him and his work for real in you manifesting and changing you into a new creation, old things passing away. Any growth/increase in this helps you, though by the fruits of the Spirit displayed through the child of God, and testifying of that work and witnessesing to others to receive it, you may be a blessing to others to a degree. This level is the living water springing up to everlasting life part.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is beyond this, and is like the rivers of living water flowing out of your belly part. This is when a child of God is equiped to a greater degree, with greater power, to be the witness on earth they are to be. This gift takes us to a new level of both growing in Messiah ourselves, through refinement and upbuilding, plus makes us much more empowered to witness to others.

The gift given with it to speak/pray/sing in tongues (aka praying in the spirit as Paul speaks of in 1 Cor 14), is another way of being built up more in Messiah. Jude 1:20 calls this building up our "most holy faith." From experience I've noticed that praying in the spirit does make me more "in tune" with the spiritual realm and the working of the Holy Spirit, and builds me up in spirit daily. The other gifts of the Spirit seem to flow more frequently and easily in my life as I pray in the spirit more also.

Why tongues? Big ships are steered with a small rudder, and so we are steered by our tongue.

Jas 3:2-6 AMP
(2) For we all often stumble and fall and offend in many things. And if anyone does not offend in speech [never says the wrong things], he is a fully developed character and a perfect man, able to control his whole body and to curb his entire nature.
(3) If we set bits in the horses' mouths to make them obey us, we can turn their whole bodies about.
(4) Likewise, look at the ships: though they are so great and are driven by rough winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the impulse of the helmsman determines.
(5) Even so the tongue is a little member, and it can boast of great things. See how much wood or how great a forest a tiny spark can set ablaze!
(6) And the tongue is a fire. [The tongue is a] world of wickedness set among our members, contaminating and depraving the whole body and setting on fire the wheel of birth (the cycle of man's nature), being itself ignited by hell (Gehenna).

Praying in spirit in tongues when the Holy Spirit gives us utterance is an exercise by which the spirit man takes the tongue over from the corruptible flesh. This is why those of us who have experienced such, know that as we pray in tongues often, we flow more easily with the other works of the Holy Spirit, becoming more spiritually sensitive, rather than only sensetive to the natural senses.

Praying in spirit in tongues is not the only way that the tongue is controlled and used by the spirit man in Messiah, of course. The gift of prophecy is an utterance given, but in our natural tongue instead of unknown tongues we do not naturally understand (mind is unfruitful) without interpretation. And, the point of exercising control of our tongues each day in praying in the spirit, and prophesying as the Spirit moves on and in us, is that we become more refined and grow in faith in the inner man, so that one day we are totally yielded vessels to the Holy Spirit, and speak no vain or idle words, like Yahshua the Messiah our Lord, who is our perfect example. He didn't have to build up like we do necessarily, but he gave us the way to exercise to become more like him.

Speech requires breath. Natural breath is a type and shadow of the spirit. The Hebrew word for Spirit is Ruach, meaning literally breath or wind, but used for spirit beings, who to the natural man seem like but a breath or wind. When you breath in the air naturally, you can then exhale and speak with that exhaling. So it is with the true gifts of tongues - we can inhale the Breath (Spirit) of God in a manner of speaking, and then he gives us utterance, and then we exhale, speaking forth that utterance.

Just as the air does not speak for you, or merely exhaling does not cause speech, neither does the Holy Spirit himself do the speaking for us. Rather, he gives the utterance to speak, and then we must cooperate and do the speaking.

There is a gift of tongues that is like that for the 12 apostles in Acts 2, that the others of the 120 did not partake in - to preach a message in tongues and either it be miraculously interpreted in the minds of the hearers, or someone else be given the gift of interpretation for the listeners. Some who deny the other uses of tongues, because they are at enmity with the restoration of such in modern times, twist the Scriptures about these things.

They see tongues in the Scriptures as only "for the unbeliever" as a "sign" and not necessary today. This is false becase 1. there are still unbelievers needing signs, and 2. a message in tongues is totally different than praying in tongues, as Paul explains in 1 Cor 14, as there are DIFFERENT KINDS of tongues, as Paul says in 1 Cor 12.

A message in tongues is for others also, while praying in tongues is for the individual being built up only.

1Co 14:3-5 KJVR
(3) But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
(4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
(5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh, with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

I hope and pray this helps you in your growth,

David

 

[RMDY]

Thank you for your post.
Concerning tongues,

I don't think I have this gift yet. I have came to believe that the gift of tongues can be a sudden thing that comes upon someone, but the sign of the Holy Spirit can be more of the change that happens within side someone. Since by faith we do everything, from praying to God, to receiving eternal life, to even awaiting the return of Christ, I believe the Holy Spirit is received by faith. For everyone who receives the Holy Spirit always believes that Christ is their Lord and Saviour first and is baptised in water. However, in Acts 10:44 you will find that even if we receive the Holy Spirit without baptism by water, it comes upon us spiritually by hearing about Jesus and putting our faith in him as Lord and Saviour. Faith is one of our most important tools.

I desire the gift of tongues so that I may pray in the Spirit. Rather, I am afraid to give utterances because I believe my own mind can play tricks on me and in truth, those utterances may not be from the Spirit.
Right now, I feel the spiritual warfare happening within myself while God is trying to mold me into a better, more self-controlled person who seeks his glory rather than myself.
At times I feel depressed because of it, because I sin and fall short of the glory of God, even though I have forgiveness by faith. I recognize several parts about myself that all seem to be caught in a conflict:

My heart cries out against my sin nature and tries to reach God
My Mind often deceives me and works against me, wanting to give in to my body's passions and desires and wanting to use its own knowledge on things, especially for understanding God-breathed Scriptures. My body helps confuse my mind. I feel this: The Body wants me to do what the Spirit doesn't want me to do and the Spirit does what the body doesn't want to do.
My conscience keeps everything in check. I consciously feel my heart crying out at all times and at all times my mind either working in line with my conscious or wanting to give in to the thoughts and desires my body and the sin nature that is behind these things.

And because of this struggle, I have fallen short of the glory of God many times, even to the point of breaking promises I have made to God and others and being found as a hypocrite.
I often find that the longer I am free from sin, the harder I fall back into sin nature If I happen to let myself be deceived by it.
And trust me, I have felt Jesus himself discipline me to the point of situation where I could have been seriously injured or maybe even killed, but I didn't! I only lost my car. God works in ways we cannot see and although we put ourselves in certain situations by our own actions, God has a way of making things happen.

Your post has been warmfelt and I am glad you posted.
I still don't know what it is like to pray in tongues or have it suddenly come over me. Only recently have I actually believed that the things that happened in the book of Acts were true. When I first read it, I thought it was too unreal to happen, like to much of a story. But now, I believe in it.


Right now, I have only felt the Spirit for less than a year, but I feel all the changes happening. I have felt how God provides, how God can work miraclulous situations, God's dicipline, Gods blessings from tithing, and I have always felt Jesus in my life, even when I didn't fully accept him. He is there for sure! For real! Even if you don't accept him in your heart, he is always waiting for you!

I am a very bad speaker who does not have a good vocabulary and is terrible at english, but when I get fired up about Jesus and God, I feel like I am on fire! But I feel there is much for me to learn, do, and memorize about Scripture before I preach...although that hasn't stopped me yet from preaching, I am just not as efficient because of my lack of memorized Scripture, although I feel the fire is there.

I have this strong urge within me to learn about all the prophesies of Jesus and use that as a basis to preach him crucified. After all, the apostles preached this! They didn't just go around and say "Jesus loves you and died for you"
They went around performing healings, signs and wonders, and preaching Christ the messiah who died and was raised from the death!

Anyway....
Thank you for your post

 

[DavidPresently]

I know where you are coming from. Thank you for your open honesty. I'll move my post I put in the other thread to your question, which I saw before this response, in here and delete that one as it would be more appropriate in here for you.

The same Holy Spirit that has begun a work in your life, increases through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. If you have receive, utterance in the spirit comes along with such and you'd already have it. Seeing that you do not, you have experienced the work of the Spirit to make you new, convict of sin, and sanctify, but not to empower with supernatural works to glorify your Lord Yahshua (Jesus) and your Father in heaven.

Be blessed in your seeking and asking and knocking,

David

 

[DavidPresently]

Yes. First, though, read this from the Scriptures, that Yahshua (Jesus) said.

Luk 11:9-13 MKJV
(9) And I say to you, Ask and it shall be given you. Seek and you shall find. Knock and it shall be opened to you.
(10) For everyone who asks receives. And he who seeks finds. And to him who knocks it shall be opened.
(11) For what father of you, if the son asks for bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a snake for a fish?
(12) Or if he shall ask for an egg, will he give him a scorpion?
(13) If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?

When you ask your Father in heaven for a gift he has offered his children, you do not need to fear receiving anything harmful. Be single minded on this, having faith in this promise, when you ask, if there is any concern about what you'll receive.

He said "how much more SHALL your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?"

This is also another example from the Scriptures that shows this gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:8) is separate from being born of the Spirit and him working in us as a new creation.

Mar 11:24 MKJV
(24) Therefore I say to you, All things, whatever you ask, praying, believe that you shall receive them, and it will be to you.

Scriptural examples of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues from the book of Acts:

Act 2:4 MKJV
(4) And they were all filled of the Holy Spirit, and began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Act 10:44-46 MKJV
(44) While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all those hearing the Word.
(45) And those of the circumcision, who believed (as many as came with Peter), were astonished because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out on the nations also.
(46) For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

Act 9:17 AMP
(17) So Ananias left and went into the house. And he laid his hands on Saul and said, Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, Who appeared to you along the way by which you came here, has sent me that you may recover your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.
1Co 14:18 KJVR
(18) I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

Act 19:6 MKJV
(6) And as Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.

The only example of the baptism of the Holy Spirit people in Acts are specifically stated to have received and we aren't told they spoke in tongues anywhere in the Scriptures, was the Samaritans. However, we are told that there was something outwardly evident that caused Simon magus to know that they had received by the laying on of the apostles' hands.

Act 8:16-18 MKJV
(16) For as yet He had not fallen on any of them, they were baptized only in the name of the Lord Jesus.
(17) Then they laid their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
(18) And when Simon saw that the Holy Spirit was given through laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money,

G2300
θεάομαι
theaomai
theh-ah'-om-ahee
A prolonged form of a primary verb; to look closely at, that is, (by implication) to perceive (literally or figuratively); by extension to visit: - behold, look (upon), see. Compare G3700.

Simon perceived the evidence, and since the Scriptures intepret the Scriptures, we can properly interpret that what Simon perceived was the Samaritans speaking in tongues and magnifying God like all the others in Acts. There is no reason to assume that the outward sign was any different in Samaria than with the other examples.

I have been thorough in pointing you to all of these things in the Scriptures, so that your faith may be in the Word, firmly, that you may ask with single minded faith knowing you ask according to the will of your Father in heaven.

Joh 16:23-24 MKJV
(23) And in that day you shall ask Me nothing. Truly, truly, I say to you, Whatever you shall ask the Father in My name, He will give you.
(24) Before now you have asked nothing in My name; ask and you shall receive, that your joy may be full.

Joh 16:23-24 MKJV
(23) And in that day you shall ask Me nothing. Truly, truly, I say to you, Whatever you shall ask the Father in My name, He will give you.
(24) Before now you have asked nothing in My name; ask and you shall receive, that your joy may be full.

Joh 14:12-14 KJVR
(12) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
(13) And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
(14) If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Joh 15:7-11 AMP
(7) If you live in Me [abide vitally united to Me] and My words remain in you and continue to live in your hearts, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you.
(8) When you bear (produce) much fruit, My Father is honored and glorified, and you show and prove yourselves to be true followers of Mine.
(9) I have loved you, [just] as the Father has loved Me; abide in My love [continue in His love with Me].
(10) If you keep My commandments [if you continue to obey My instructions], you will abide in My love and live on in it, just as I have obeyed My Father's commandments and live on in His love.
(11) I have told you these things, that My joy and delight may be in you, and that your joy and gladness may be of full measure and complete and overflowing.

Jas 1:6-8 AMP
(6) Only it must be in faith that he asks with no wavering (no hesitating, no doubting). For the one who wavers (hesitates, doubts) is like the billowing surge out at sea that is blown hither and thither and tossed by the wind.
(7) For truly, let not such a person imagine that he will receive anything [he asks for] from the Lord,
(8) [For being as he is] a man of two minds (hesitating, dubious, irresolute), [he is] unstable and unreliable and uncertain about everything [he thinks, feels, decides].

If we are struggling with double-mindedness over an issue, we should feed on the Word and hear it until our faith is certain on the matter. Then we will ask in faith and receive what we ask for according to the promise of the Word, which is truly Father's will.


Now to the samle prayer: "My Father in heaven, may your name be sanctified, your kingdom come and your will be done in this earth as in heaven. I thank you for the great work of the Holy Spirit to make me a new creation in Messiah. Now I ask for the gift, the baptism of the Holy Spirit, that I may glorify you. I ask for the same work of the Holy Spirit that your children written about in the book of Acts received. I thank you that you are no respecter of persons, but love all of your children, and have made this promise to us all. Thank you for the baptism of the Holy Spirit! I believe I receive this promise from you. HalelluYah (praise you Yah), the Giver of good gifts to us!"

If you are a child of God in Messiah, born of the Spirit, and ask this according to the Scriptures I've quoted, you will receive. The Holy Spirit will move in and on you, filling you and overflowing you with his work, and he will give you utterance, in tongues, and possibly also in English, to prophesy. The Holy Spirit will not speak for you, but will move on you giving you the utterance. You have to obey to do the speaking according to the utterance being deposited in you (spirit). Don't be concerned or comparitive about your utterance. He gives you according to his will for you - he will give different utterance to different children.

Your natural thinking will most likely argue with this, not wanting to be overtaken by such, but wanting to stay in control as its own god/master.

Take a lesson from the natural creation, in type and shadow. The wind blows through the tree, and the leaves are not stiffened against it, but move with it, fluttering in the wind. So is it to be with you, and your tongue. The branches even sway in the wind. But the harder things of the earth, those things greatly hardened, will not move with the wind, but resist it. So does the hardened heart resist the moving of the Holy Spirit. May your heart be softented sufficiently by the grace of God, and may you find that where the Holy Spirit is (in control) there is freedom (liberty). Being hardened and stiffened is like rebellion - take no part in it.

I pray the anointing in my life for the praying for others, including laying on of hands when possible, for the receiving of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, be upon this message for you, and your faith be excited to receive.

I look forward to your coming testimonies.

Your servant in Messiah,

David

 

[Dave01]

Thanks for taking the time to present the scriptures to us David. That was very well put together brother!!

 

[SamanthaKing]

Wow it sounds like awesome things are happening with you. And the Holy Spirit really is changing you. And your desire is awesome. Keep seeking because as the bible says seek and you will receive, this didn't mean seek for a bit get a little bit, be content and then stop. No God wants us to keep seeking and the more we seek the more He gives and reveals, He wants to show us Himself like He did to Moses, Abraham, Lot and so on, he wants us to walk with Him, talk with Him, feel His touch, smell His scent, He wants us to experience all of this, but we need to seek and keep seeking. And the bible also says ask and you will receive, and this doesn't mean God can you do it (in a whiney voice) it means ask with belief and faith and this is exactly what you did with your wart and it was healed. That is awesome.

Keep seeking, never give up, there will be times that your faith will be tested, but in that time of testing push through because it's in those times of testing that you will grow stronger and learn more.

 

[RMDY]

Thank you DavidPresently. Today, I got another one in my mouth. This is really strange, because it is in a different place and I prayed for it, but it hasn't really healed yet. I've never had these things in my mouth before...
(perhaps my faith is being tested or perhaps I don't have the gift of healing like I thought) but nontheless, I will pray for it to go away.

This is the kind of prayer I have been praying:

"Sovereign Lord, you are so great and wonderful, so loving and merciful. You saved me through the blood of Jesus and I am so thankful for that. Lord, I ask that this wort and the other cankersore in my mouth will be healed by the power of the holy spirit through the name of your holy servant Jesus. You created the heaven, the earth, the sea, and everything in it. You spoke by the power of the holy spirit through your servant David:
Why do the nations rage
And the peoples plot in vain
The Kings of the earth take their stand
Against the Lord, and his Anointed One.
Indeed Pontius Pilate and Herod met together with the Gentiles and people of Israel to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, who you anointed. By your power and will they did you decided beforehand should happen. Now, Lord, enable your servants to speak your word with boldness. Stretch out your hand to heal, to perform miraculous signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant, Jesus.'
Now, Lord, I pray that you can heal these things in my mouth. I pray this so can also increase my faith. You said that those who knock and ask will receive and I am knocking, asking to receive. So please Lord, I pray you will stretch out your hand to heal these things. By faith, I expect you will and put my full faith in you. Just like the first time, by faith I believe you healed the first wort and as an act of faith, I thank you for healing the first time and also thank you for healing these next times. Lord, I am willing. I am willing for you to heal these things and see, Lord, I come to you first rather than see a doctor, because I trust in you and believe you will make it happen.
Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive our sins as we also forgive those who sin against us. Do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil, for yours is the kingdom, the glory, the power, forever amen. Lord, thank you for everything you had done for me. I thank you for forgiving me for my sins and showing me your mercy and grace and I pray that you can give me the gift of healing and prophecy. Thank Lord, for doing all these things for me. In the name of your holy servant Jesus, I pray, in the name of Jesus, amen"

Thank for your message. The one thing I have been thinking about lately was the laying on hands. I do believe that the Holy Spirit can come upon people without the laying of hands, but I also been wondering if laying of hands can strengthen the Spirit within one person. I talked to a pentecostal friend the other day and they said that to be careful of who lays hands on me because when they lay hands, I am given their kind of Spirit. So if its a bad spirit, I will receive a bad spirit and if its a good spirit, I will have my spirit improved.

I only recently started seeking gifts from the Holy Spirit---so not that long ago, eh and only recently believed that the things in acts actually happened the way they did.

 

[DavidPresently]

Thank you DavidPresently. Today, I got another one in my mouth. This is really strange, because it is in a different place and I prayed for it, but it hasn't really healed yet. I've never had these things in my mouth before...
(perhaps my faith is being tested or perhaps I don't have the gift of healing like I thought) but nontheless, I will pray for it to go away.

This is the kind of prayer I have been praying:

"Sovereign Lord, you are so great and wonderful, so loving and merciful. You saved me through the blood of Jesus and I am so thankful for that. Lord, I ask that this wort and the other cankersore in my mouth will be healed by the power of the holy spirit through the name of your holy servant Jesus. You created the heaven, the earth, the sea, and everything in it. You spoke by the power of the holy spirit through your servant David:
Why do the nations rage
And the peoples plot in vain
The Kings of the earth take their stand
Against the Lord, and his Anointed One.
Indeed Pontius Pilate and Herod met together with the Gentiles and people of Israel to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, who you anointed. By your power and will they did you decided beforehand should happen. Now, Lord, enable your servants to speak your word with boldness. Stretch out your hand to heal, to perform miraculous signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant, Jesus.'
Now, Lord, I pray that you can heal these things in my mouth. I pray this so can also increase my faith. You said that those who knock and ask will receive and I am knocking, asking to receive. So please Lord, I pray you will stretch out your hand to heal these things. By faith, I expect you will and put my full faith in you. Just like the first time, by faith I believe you healed the first wort and as an act of faith, I thank you for healing the first time and also thank you for healing these next times. Lord, I am willing. I am willing for you to heal these things and see, Lord, I come to you first rather than see a doctor, because I trust in you and believe you will make it happen.
Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive our sins as we also forgive those who sin against us. Do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil, for yours is the kingdom, the glory, the power, forever amen. Lord, thank you for everything you had done for me. I thank you for forgiving me for my sins and showing me your mercy and grace and I pray that you can give me the gift of healing and prophecy. Thank Lord, for doing all these things for me. In the name of your holy servant Jesus, I pray, in the name of Jesus, amen"

Thank for your message. The one thing I have been thinking about lately was the laying on hands. I do believe that the Holy Spirit can come upon people without the laying of hands, but I also been wondering if laying of hands can strengthen the Spirit within one person. I talked to a pentecostal friend the other day and they said that to be careful of who lays hands on me because when they lay hands, I am given their kind of Spirit. So if its a bad spirit, I will receive a bad spirit and if its a good spirit, I will have my spirit improved.

I only recently started seeking gifts from the Holy Spirit---so not that long ago, eh and only recently believed that the things in acts actually happened the way they did.

The last healing was due to praying the "prayer of faith," not the gifts of healing. The prayer of faith is exercising our faith in line with the promises of the Word of God. The gifts of healing bring an anointing to minister healing to others supernaturally, even without the prayer of faith, such as when the woman touched the hem of Yahshua's garment, or he spat in mud and put it on a blind man's eyes. The gifts are plural, many gifts of healing, and you can see them all by studying the ministry of Yahshua.

When the anointing of the gifts of healing is not at work to drive out sickeness and disease, we have the word of faith to pray by. The WOF movement can assist teaching you about such. I recommend Kenneth Hagin books on the subject.

You have to first believe in the promise of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, promised to you subsequent to Salvation as I showed you in the Scriptures, to receive it, and pray the prayer of faith asking for such.

The laying on of hands for such is similar to the gifts of healing, in that it is an anointing that falls on people for this work, rather than just praying the prayer of faith requesting it. I am not there to lay hands on you, but 100% of those I've laid hands on for the gift of the Holy Spirit and to speak in tongues have received. This is why I prayed that when you are ready, when you believe it is what you need first, and not just a gift or two from 1 Cor 12, and when your faith is excited to receive such, to pray the prayer of faith as I gave an example of, that the anointing will be there with you in a measure to help you along.

Concerning getting bad spirits, Father will not give someone a bad spirit when asking for the true Holy Spirit. This is clearly spoken by Yahshua as I quoted to you, as a promise from the Word. However, some seek amiss, and not scripturally in line with the true Holy Spirit, and thus can be negatively affected by false prophets laying their hands on people in the Pentecostal movement. They are certainly out there.

I personally practice being slow to go forward anywhere and let any person I am unsure of in spirit, to lay hands on me. The gifts of discerning of spirits is very useful here. I also trust the Spirit in me to warn me of danger, in any area of life, before it comes, and lead me in what to do about it.

But, there doesn't have to be a transfer of spirits from someone ministering by the laying on of hands. Other people cannot come over into your sphere of authority and force anything on you. It is against the creation Law, just like if you jumb out of a 5th story window, you'll fall and be hurt badly. Their are laws that govern everything. If the Law of the Word was done away with, the creation would fall apart.

When I am in a meeting where the laying on of hands is being liberally practiced, and I'm unsure of all the people or all that is going on, I simply speak by the authority I have in Messiah, "I bind the transfer of evil spirits or their works into my life, in the name of Yahshua the Messiah my Master. You do not have the authority to come into my sphere of authority, I do not give it to you, and you may not cross the covering of the Lamb's Blood on me!"

Study the feast of Passover and you may come away with a better understanding of the Blood of the Lamb and the protection offered against the destroyer.

Then you can walk in faith on the matter, and not fear of some devil coming in your house (life, body) because some false preacher laid hands on you.

Be under and stay under the Blood covering.

Keep on going forward as you are, growing in Messiah, and be blessed in it!

David

 

[mirecat]

I am visiting CF for the 1st time in over a year. I'm also going to my church again, finally after about the same amount of time. I appreciate all that you folks have written. Not too long ago, it struck me that I've lost my connection with Jesus. Something that I cannot live without. God has so much for me and I'm getting with good people again. Something drew me to this thread. Thank you again.

 

[SamanthaKing]

I'm so glad to have you back again as part of our family. I reckon there would have been a huge party for you in Heaven.