Help with Matt 21:43

[Guojing]

What does this have to do with giving the kingdom to another nation?
Is "little flock" a nation?

The gospel of the kingdom required members of Israel to believe that Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:31).

Only a remnant of that nation believed that. They are called the little flock. They have now become True Israel, as I stated.

 

[Guojing]

And you still haven't answered the question. Where do you come up with this?

Where is water baptism or repentance ever referred to as fruit?

Do you disagree that the gospel of the kingdom preached by John the Baptist, Jesus and Peter to the nation Israel require these 2 acts, and thus asking for the scripture references?

 

[Minister Monardo]

I have no idea why he suddenly took offense =)

This did not happen suddenly. This is your consistent actions in the forum.
You make statements that cannot be supported by scripture. When asked,
you dodge. Nothing sudden about it, just bad form on your part. NOT
offended, just weary; and everyone should be wary of anyone who cannot
respond to comments with a response, rather than diversionary tactics.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Do you disagree that the gospel of the kingdom preached by John the Baptist, Jesus and Peter to the nation Israel require these 2 acts, and thus asking for the scripture references?

Where are these two acts referred to as fruit? That was the question, and this
is not an answer.

 

[Guojing]

Where are these two acts referred to as fruit? That was the question, and this
is not an answer.

Acts 2:37-38 would be a good start.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Only a remnant of that nation believed that. They are called the little flock. They have now become True Israel, as I stated.

How does that make them another nation? The scriptures refer to them as
"the elect" or "remnant". "Given to another people" refers to the Gentiles.
Jesus taught this in the Gospel of John.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold;
them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there
will be one flock and one shepherd.

 

[Guojing]

This did not happen suddenly. This is your consistent actions in the forum.
You make statements that cannot be supported by scripture. When asked,
you dodge. Nothing sudden about it, just bad form on your part. NOT
offended, just weary; and everyone should be wary of anyone who cannot
respond to comments with a response, rather than diversionary tactics.

I feel many people make statements that are unsupported by scripture.

If I am going to be upset just because of that, I should not even bother participating.

Offense is never given, only taken. Nobody can be responsible for your feelings but yourself.

 

[Sabertooth]

43 Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.

What is the fruit of the Kingdom?

Comments appreciated.

The OP's question was "What is the fruit of the Kingdom?"
not "Which peoples are referred to in the transfer?"

 

[Guojing]

How does that make them another nation? The scriptures refer to them as
"the elect" or "remnant". "Given to another people" refers to the Gentiles.
Jesus taught this in the Gospel of John.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold;
them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there
will be one flock and one shepherd.

As I said, in scripture, the singular term "nation" only refers to the nation of Israel. It cannot refer to gentiles.

 

[d taylor]

43 Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.

What is the fruit of the Kingdom?

Comments appreciated.

The nation (The Jewish generation at that time) Jesus came offering The Kingdom to and that which rejected Jesus as their Messiah. Which in turn, was also a rejection of the offer of The Kingdom of God. So Jesus is taking away the kingdom from the current generation He is offering it to. And will re-offer the Kingdom at a later time (end of tribulation) to another Jewish generation who will believe He is The Messiah and in turn will receive The Kingdom of God.

So the Jews (nation) at the end of the tribulation will be given The Kingdom of God, 1000 year rule of The Messiah.

 

[Sabertooth]

We should not neglect one over the other.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Many will say to Me in that day,

‘Lord, Lord, have we not​

• prophesied in Your name,
• cast out demons in Your name, and
• done many wonders in Your name?’

And then I will declare to them,

‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ " Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV​

Balaam [Num. 22] also had the "signs" without the "fruit."

 

[Minister Monardo]

I feel many people make statements that are unsupported by scripture.

If I am going to be upset just because of that, I should not even bother participating.

Offense is never given, only taken. Nobody can be responsible for your feelings but yourself.

I just wanted you to answer the question. Thanks for all your efforts to appease.
I really do not get upset, or offended. Not about feelings, about a love of the
truth, which only comes from rightly dividing the word of truth. The fact that
many people make statements without scriptural support doesn't make it right,
and it is not going to stop me from asking someone "where did you come up with
that?" We are discussing God's word. Even atheists have opinions about God,
Jesus, etc....We must remain anchored to the truth of God's Word.
Is this agreeable to you?
2 Timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God,
a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Guojing]

I just wanted you to answer the question. Thanks for all your efforts to appease.
I really do not get upset, or offended. Not about feelings, about a love of the
truth, which only comes from rightly dividing the word of truth. The fact that
many people make statements without scriptural support doesn't make it right,
and it is not going to stop me from asking someone "where did you come up with
that?" We are discussing God's word. Even atheists have opinions about God,
Jesus, etc....We must remain anchored to the truth of God's Word.
Is this agreeable to you?
2 Timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God,
a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Yes of course, feel free to ask.

But be patient when you engage in discussions. I have engage in various discussions in such forums over the years, and I often have to be very patient with people who are not very clear in their replies.

 

[Guojing]

The nation (The Jewish generation at that time) Jesus came offering The Kingdom to and that which rejected Jesus as their Messiah. Which in turn, was also a rejection of the offer of The Kingdom of God. So Jesus is taking away the kingdom from the current generation He is offering it to. And will re-offer the Kingdom at a later time (end of tribulation) to another Jewish generation who will believe He is The Messiah and in turn will receive The Kingdom of God.

So the Jews (nation) at the end of the tribulation will be given The Kingdom of God, 1000 year rule of The Messiah.

Well said, you are very aware of the audience whom Jesus was addressing in his first coming (Matthew 10:5 and Matthew 15:24).

 

[Gregory Thompson]

43 Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.

What is the fruit of the Kingdom?

Comments appreciated.

The one thing that generation lacked consistently was compassion on the weak and lower statused.

 

[Minister Monardo]

The OP's question was "What is the fruit of the Kingdom?"
not "Which peoples are referred to in the transfer?"

And was essentially answered by post #3.

 

[d taylor]

Well said, you are very aware of the audience whom Jesus was addressing in his first coming (Matthew 10:5 and Matthew 15:24).

Yes Matthew is the Jewish gospel, when He (Jesus) was rejected in Matthew 12 the offer was rescinded. The offer of The Kingdom was given one more time in Acts 2 and 3 but again was rejected. Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

Sins would be the rejection of Jesus as their Messiah. Times of refreshing is a reference to The Kingdom rule.

 

[Guojing]

Yes Matthew is the Jewish gospel, when He (Jesus) was rejected in Matthew 12 the offer was rescinded. The offer of The Kingdom was given one more time in Acts 2 and 3 but again was rejected. Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

Sins would be the rejection of Jesus as their Messiah. Times of refreshing is a reference to The Kingdom rule.

Amen, the fruit that Jesus was looking for from Israel was definitely repentance.

Thanks to this discussion, I begin to take another look at the parable of the tenants and appreciated the true meaning of the parable so much more.

The Jewish leaders were asking him what authority Jesus has in doing all these things, (Matthew 21:23; Mark 11:28 & Luke 20:2) and in all 3 synoptic gospel, this particular parable , Jesus revealed what "repentance" really meant in terms of the gospel of the kingdom that he was preaching to them.

The idea of repentance is actually more for the Jews and can be viewed from the parable of the tenants, told in all 3 synoptic gospels. (Matthew 21:33–46; Mark 12:1-12; Luke 20:9-19)

When Jesus and the 12 were preaching from Matt-John, they need to repent of rejecting God their Father in the OT, and believe in his Son is their promised King and Messiah, as foretold by their prophets. The Jewish nation had rejected and killed many of those prophets.

God had mercy on them and now decided to send his Son to them now. But as Jesus told them in the parable of the tenants, they were wicked and decided to slay the son instead, thinking they can then take control of the vineyard. The words they told Pilate was really horrific from this perspective

Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

When Jesus was on the cross, he asked his father to forgive them for this act, because they know not what they do, the Father agreed to Jesus request.

So when Peter urged his Jewish brothers at Pentecost to repent (Acts 2:38), they are to repent from their horrific act of murdering the Son of God, and accept him once again as the Son of God and their King, since Jesus's resurrection showed, as Peter stated, he is indeed the Messiah and the Son of God. (Acts 2:36)

But of course the Nation did not, only a remnant of them did, so God blinded the nation temporary, setting his secret plan in motion to save us Gentiles, independent of Israel.

 

[d taylor]

Amen, the fruit that Jesus was looking for from Israel was definitely repentance.

Thanks to this discussion, I begin to take another look at the parable of the tenants and appreciated the true meaning of the parable so much more.

The Jewish leaders were asking him what authority Jesus has in doing all these things, (Matthew 21:23; Mark 11:28 & Luke 20:2) and in all 3 synoptic gospel, this particular parable , Jesus revealed what "repentance" really meant in terms of the gospel of the kingdom that he was preaching to them.

The idea of repentance is actually more for the Jews and can be viewed from the parable of the tenants, told in all 3 synoptic gospels. (Matthew 21:33–46; Mark 12:1-12; Luke 20:9-19)

When Jesus and the 12 were preaching from Matt-John, they need to repent of rejecting God their Father in the OT, and believe in his Son is their promised King and Messiah, as foretold by their prophets. The Jewish nation had rejected and killed many of those prophets.

God had mercy on them and now decided to send his Son to them now. But as Jesus told them in the parable of the tenants, they were wicked and decided to slay the son instead, thinking they can then take control of the vineyard. The words they told Pilate was really horrific from this perspective

Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

When Jesus was on the cross, he asked his father to forgive them for this act, because they know not what they do, the Father agreed to Jesus request.

So when Peter urged his Jewish brothers at Pentecost to repent (Acts 2:38), they are to repent from their horrific act of murdering the Son of God, and accept him once again as the Son of God and their King, since Jesus's resurrection showed, as Peter stated, he is indeed the Messiah and the Son of God. (Acts 2:36)

But of course the Nation did not, only a remnant of them did, so God blinded the nation temporary, setting his secret plan in motion to save us Gentiles, independent of Israel.

You might find this article also insightful.
THE NATIONAL REPENTANCE OF ISRAEL

 

[readywriter]

43 Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.

What is the fruit of the Kingdom?

Comments appreciated.

'Jesus saith unto them,
Did ye never read in the scriptures,
The stone which the builders rejected,
the same is become the head of the corner:
this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you,
The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,
and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken:
but on whomsoever it shall fall,
it will grind him to powder.'
(Mat 21:42-44)

Hello @Carl Emerson,

The nation to which the Kingdom of God shall be given, is the new Israel referred to in Isaiah 66:7-14:-

'Before she travailed, she brought forth;
before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
Who hath heard such a thing?
who hath seen such things?
Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day?
or shall a nation be born at once?
for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD:
shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her:
rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations;
that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river,
and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream:
then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides,
and be dandled upon her knees.
As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you;
and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice,
and your bones shall flourish like an herb:
and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants,
and his indignation toward his enemies.'
(Isa 66:7-14)​

* I believe the fruit to be REPENTANCE.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris