Help!! please please read and respond

[*Musicgrl12*]

this is sorta long but please help me find examples and things!!
Okay, heres the story, my best friend is going through some hard stuff and is turning his back on god here are some things he said, "i swear to everything that god hates me" "how do u even know if hes real" "so far he hasnt proved s*** to me that he actually exists"
I asked him if he believed in god because undestand that about 6 months ago he and i discussed the importance of a christian girl/boy friend and how we believe in god and everything. and way i asked him if he believed in god and he said "i do but its getting less and less cause my life is like complete s***" and i tell him about how jesus suffered so much more and he says things like "how do we actually know jesus was his son??" "how do u know jesus was real?" "just because of the bible?"
I try to tell and ask him about his faith and how we need it he says things like "how can u have faith in things ppl wrote that dont even know?" "but i cant commit to things unless i know for certian are true" thats what faith is " i dont know what i believe im just saying is there really any proof of god other than a book" "and there are alot of different faiths that dont believe in god how do we know for certain ouir faith is right and not theirs???" "has god come to u and actually showed u that he is real?" " u put way to much faith in the bible, well i mean thats good"
"no i just freaking hate life lauren i mean what the freak am i living for??"(some cencorship was needed there) "yes i mean i believe in god i pray everynight but no prayer has ever come true" "to be happy i prayed for my dad and then my parents got divorced and he started drinking again"
Here is what he has gone through the past few months keep in mind we are highschoolers so parents and family means a lot now! "my whole life put together my sister left my family my dad beat me hes dying as we speak my mom says we are going poor abby(**his girlfriend**) is like goin to baylor (**different school far away**) i have a blood diesease which i have to watch freaking constantly(he is a hemophiliac (**which is a disease that just means taht you have thinner blood so he cant get drunk and stuff and if he gets cut because his blood lacks clotting stuff he has to go to the doctor and get factor 8 which is a blood clotting thing or he will like die because his blood is so thin he would die from loss of blood**) just all this s*** at once all this freaking* s*** and nothing good comes of it i mean im retarded my mom just got a letter that said that webb (our school) might kick me out if i dont bring up my freaking grades and i mean i try and nothing happens " so he is , ya
His dad and moms divorce has caused a lot of trama too and his dad used to be and now recently became an alcholic again and he said " so god has been straight tourturing me thru him" I just need some help or example and verses to help him please help!
Everything every commet will help!

 

[wonderbread7]

I couldn't begin to say how proud I am for you and your concern for your friends faith. Honestly, I would say that serious prayer is something that everyone can use. Lots of things your friend said aren't true though. So many prayers have come true. The bible is verified by thousands of outside, non-christian sources. Faith is not believing in what you know is fact and tangible, but knowing enough from your personal relathionship with God that what you DON'T see is so much more important that what you do see. And honestly, i don;t wnat to judge but it sounds like your friend lacks a personal relationship with God or has very little communication with God. It is my experience that when peopel ask these questions to toerhs around them, it;s because they are not asking God. Ask your frined to pray about these things. Not in some formal manner but just talk to God and understand that He is a person and that he is listening. And if you know any try to find him some strong Christian guys to talk to. A minister or even if you could find it try to get him some counseling. God will proive all that is needed. your faith in God can show that to this boy. I will also be praying for him, his family, and you. Feel free to PM me if there is anything i might be able to help or is you have any questions. God gives us the church to help the parts of the body in need.

 

[CHRISTIAN COUNSELOR]

The problem is that if you continue to have best friends that are as messed over as you describe,your faith will become severely disabled.Your best friend is verbally abusing God and you shouldn't stick around to hear his really sick trash talk.It will spiritually weaken you.It's very important to confine your friendships to Christians so you will be strengthed not laid low by them.Your friend is spiritually and mentally sick and is in need of some serious counseling which you can't give him.Talking to him about the bible is a complete waste of time at this point because he is so angry toward God.YOU NEED A VACATION FROM HIM!

 

[seekingsomething]

First off, please dont listen to *christian Counsellor* as you DO NOT and SHOULD NOT have to confine yourself to christian friends. Being able to have your faith tested and proved and sharing in the lifes and loving others is so important. However you do need strong christian friends to turn to as there are somethings that only they can understand. What you are doing at the moment is admirable. You are really working for God and really showing love to your friend, which is part of this awesome belief. However, you friend may need a break from the pressure of believeing in God. Your faith my be just too much right now. Your friend needs to be able to see that his life just wont work without God.
I think wonderbread has a good point about your friends lack of relationship with God. I think that if he really has an open heart and truely wants God, activly seeks him, then he will come into your friends life. However if you are constantly ramming it down his throat, even in a loving way, this could potentially push him further from God. Right now i dont have the resources to give you any verses or other christian opinions, but i will post later with some ideas. Hang on in there, this will all work out for the best x x x

 

[Isaiah 53]

this is sorta long but please help me find examples and things!!
Okay, heres the story, my best friend is going through some hard stuff and is turning his back on god here are some things he said, "i swear to everything that god hates me" "how do u even know if hes real" "so far he hasnt proved s*** to me that he actually exists"
I asked him if he believed in god because undestand that about 6 months ago he and i discussed the importance of a christian girl/boy friend and how we believe in god and everything. and way i asked him if he believed in god and he said "i do but its getting less and less cause my life is like complete s***" and i tell him about how jesus suffered so much more and he says things like "how do we actually know jesus was his son??" "how do u know jesus was real?" "just because of the bible?"
I try to tell and ask him about his faith and how we need it he says things like "how can u have faith in things ppl wrote that dont even know?" "but i cant commit to things unless i know for certian are true" thats what faith is " i dont know what i believe im just saying is there really any proof of god other than a book" "and there are alot of different faiths that dont believe in god how do we know for certain ouir faith is right and not theirs???" "has god come to u and actually showed u that he is real?" " u put way to much faith in the bible, well i mean thats good"
"no i just freaking hate life lauren i mean what the freak am i living for??"(some cencorship was needed there) "yes i mean i believe in god i pray everynight but no prayer has ever come true" "to be happy i prayed for my dad and then my parents got divorced and he started drinking again"
Here is what he has gone through the past few months keep in mind we are highschoolers so parents and family means a lot now! "my whole life put together my sister left my family my dad beat me hes dying as we speak my mom says we are going poor abby(**his girlfriend**) is like goin to baylor (**different school far away**) i have a blood diesease which i have to watch freaking constantly(he is a hemophiliac (**which is a disease that just means taht you have thinner blood so he cant get drunk and stuff and if he gets cut because his blood lacks clotting stuff he has to go to the doctor and get factor 8 which is a blood clotting thing or he will like die because his blood is so thin he would die from loss of blood**) just all this s*** at once all this freaking* s*** and nothing good comes of it i mean im retarded my mom just got a letter that said that webb (our school) might kick me out if i dont bring up my freaking grades and i mean i try and nothing happens " so he is , ya
His dad and moms divorce has caused a lot of trama too and his dad used to be and now recently became an alcholic again and he said " so god has been straight tourturing me thru him" I just need some help or example and verses to help him please help!
Everything every commet will help!

First, thank you for your faith and question. It does my heart good to see our youth being a valuable witness; please do not take "Christian Counselors" advise. We as Christians should not exclude ourselves from the world, we need to be the light in it.

After reading your post and the responses of your friend my best advice is to pray, pray for him. Remind him that our prayers should not be a 'wish list' that we demand be answered. It is a time to align our will with God's perfect will. Also, not all prayers are answered immediately or in the way we want, again God's will is perfect. I have seen folks before that are unrepented and out of line with God's will go down similiar roads. At times God will allow those individuals to reach a point where their only option is to call out to Him with a broken and repented heart.

Remember, it is not your burden as a Christian to prove God to anyone, He can and will prove Himself and validate the truth of the Bible. Continue to love and pray for your friend answer his questions the best you can. The best answer for the proof of God is your own testimony; what God has done in your life.

Be strong, I will pray for you both.

PEACE IN CHRIST!!

 

[SolomonVII]

The humans tendancy is to view the sufferings that we have to endure as somehow deserved, or as punishment for the type of person that we are. The Book of Job in particular exposes this traditional belief to be a myth. Unlike what his wife and friends alleged, the cause of Job's plight lay outside of anything that he did or that he was.

As your friend watches his life collapsing before his eyes, any words of wisdom from the Bible will likely seem trivial to him compared to the pain he is now going through.

On the other hand, what would have been most valuable to Job, and more precious than any of the riches that he had lost, would have been a friend that was truly there for him, and who would have been able to feel compassion for him as he passed through his darkest hours.

In my opinion, what your friend needs from you is not a Biblical passage, or an explanation of why, or even advice, but merely for you to be his friend,the same as you always have been before. What is needed is someone that can listen and still care, and then go about doing the same things that you have always done before his world fell apart.

On the other hand, it is also important to recognize your own limitations. As you are there for him, ensure that somebody is also there for you. It is a matter of keeping the correct perspective.

 

[sawdust]

Hi Musicgirl12,

I read somewhere that Raphael is the angel in charge of sin and suffering in this world. I don't know if that's true but if so, he and I will have some very long talks one day. I like to think every time it rains Raphael is washing away the pain of his world.

What Solomon said in the post before is very wise and you should listen to his words closely. People in pain do not need verses they need a friend who will stand by them and not desert when it gets too hard.

I think if I was in your shoes and I sat down with your friend I would take his hand in mine and tell him:
"Life's a beach: you end up with sand in ya swimmers and flies buzzing round ya head! But... when you stop and look up, each day you get to see wonderful sunrises and glorious sunsets. You can taste the salt in the air and hear the music of the waves as they come home to the shore. You can build sand castles and imagine fanciful stories. You can take the time to splash in cool waters and watch the sun glisten through the droplets as they fall. You can sit down with a friend who is in pain and hold their hand and tell them you care about them. Even though you can't change things you can make it a little more bearable by being there for them. That's why I'm sitting here with you now.... because I care.... that's how I know God loves me...because that same love is in my heart for you. If you can look up right now and tell me that counts for nothing..then I can go somewhere else...but if you can look me in the eye and tell me it helps you to find the courage to take another step forward.. then I will keep standing by your side until we have seen this thing through."
That is what I would tell your friend.
My prayers are with you both and with all my heart I pray the Lord of love wrap His arms around you both and hold you till all is fulfilled. Bless you little one for you are indeed a blessing to me.
take care

 

[theseed]

Counselors are not supposed to give advice. I know because I'm a school counseling student. But I will share my testimony here.

 

[theseed]

Musicgirl, when ever you hear adivice you should consider carefully what you need to do, and seek God's guidance as well (and foremost).

I think your best bet is to keep being a friend and share how God motivates you to love your friend and that you are willing to pray for him and support him (as long as its reasonable and healthly). Ask him if he wants to believe that God can help him.

I grew up with a step-father is an alcoholic and he was always putting me down, but I discoverd Christ at an early age (13) and later realized that I was a new person in Christ and what he said did not matter. And that no matter what happened in this life, I had the hope of heaven. I believe that Christ will use my suffering to help others. And because of my suffering I was able to grow. God wants us to grow and suffering allows us to do that. Otherwise if things were easy we would never change. If you want you can PM me and I will post some bible verses here or send them to you by PM (private message) through CF.

But he may not care about bible verses. I believed because I wanted to, I wanted to get close to Christ and wanted what he has to offer. Ask your friend if he wants to believe. If after a while you make no progress, just "lay on the table" that you are there for him. You can do some relational witnessing/evangelism, and your love will testify to Christ. And you can pray. I found Christ and Church to be a way out of the stresses of my home when I grew up.

 

[mrversatile48]

If you click on my name, the last 2 posts I made - both in this board - may well help you & your friend a lot

I'll just add that, in my 42 years saved, the most joyful, exuberant Christians I have met, all down the decades, are African - despite all the wars, famines, epidemics, etc

In fact, it is the rich, pampered West that has lost its faith, while Asia & Latin America, like Africa, have seen mighty revivals & many marvellous miracles!

The experiences that most strengthened my own faith were the 3 redundancies, 3 divorces & 2 bereavements inside 10 years, because they threw me totally on God & proved His faithfulness

Most encouraging Scriptures in such circumstances are 3 chapter 1:2/4's:- 2nd Corinthians 1:2/4, James 1:2.4 & 2 Peter 1: 2/4

Briefly put in a nutshell, no trouble comes into a Christian's life except so that God can comfort us, so that we in turn can pass on His comfort to those in any kind of trouble, & to throw us onto God & develop Christ's character in us, so that we can even come to thank God & welcome trials & temptations & troubles of life as our friends

Time & again, I've com to say, "Lord, if I hadn't learnt to go thru....in Your way, I could never have been used by you to help this 1...that 1..find the peace that passes understanding & the joy that is full"

Both only available from the Sole Soul Supplier: the Prince of Peace, the Joy-Giver

His stocks never run out!

Best answers to prayer?

Many my age spent decades praying for spiritual breakthroughs in China & old USSR

Both, formerly fiercest persecutors of Christians, now have many joyful Christians!

200 million Christians are living under persecution worldwide right now - especially in Muslim lands

Many Muslims - even imams & mullahs - have testified to visions of Jesus that made them repudiate false prophet Mohammed & turn to the 1 & only Saviour of the world

Christian news said, only last week, that Iraqi Christians, despite death threats & actual murders, are determined to reach out, with the good news of the glorious gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, to their desparate Muslim neighbours

& Iraqi Muslims have been turning to Christ in large numbers!

So prayer definitely does work

The awful things happening in the world don't mean God is dead, uncaring or helpless

They are the increasing, intensifying birthpains that Jesus forecast in Matthew 24

To bring on our Great Delivery - (verses 30/31)

"Don't be afraid..don't be alarmed..let not your hearts be troubled..trust in God.. trust also in Me"

"When you see these things begin to happen, look up, for your salvation is near, even at the door"

God bless you both!

Ian

 

[StuckRags]

There are many reasons why his prayers may not be being answered.

1. God only answers 1 prayer from the unsaved ("Save me"). Not that I'm saying he's not saved, just something he may need to consider. The Bible says we are to look at ourselves and work out our own salvation.

2. There may be bigger fish to fry in his own life that God wants to work on rather than answer his prayers (God knows what we want and need before we ask it - and sometimes in spite of what we ask). His attitude sounds horrible. Humility and sincerity of the heart goes a long way in getting prayers answered. I guess I'm saying God will answer the prayers of his heart before he answers the prayers of his mouth.

 

[PRMan]

And just keep praying. I prayed for a friend for 5 years before he went back to church on his own. In fact, we spent an entire labor day weekend trying to build a computer for him and just ran into the most unbelievable road blocks. Monday night, when it still wasn't done, I said (at the prompting of the Holy Spirit), "You know, this just can't be a coincidence. I think maybe God is trying to get your attention." After this we took it back to my house and figured it out in 10 minutes. I had no idea that he started attending church after that. He's now a deacon at that church. So, just keep praying.

Your friend has a lot of pain. Just comfort him and stay with him and pray and ask the Holy Spirit to guide your words.

 

[Salvatore Gonzales]

There is a lot going on your post. I think Jesus addressed
your topic very well starting in Matthew 18:15 and you, too,
have followed this. In a similar fashion, you and the people
that know your friend are the ones that will have to intervene
with him.

This will also require professional intervention. Your friend
needs spiritual AND emotional support (ie, "armor" in the Bible).
Family, friends, minister, teachers, a LICENSED counselor, etc,
will all be helpful working together.

 

[*Musicgrl12*]

thank you everyone for your posts but more trouble, his girlfriend and he just broke up, his life keeps getting worse and worse, on top of that he got an 'honor offence' for something he completely didnt do. We had finals last week and he and a couple people got together from different classes and studied then the week after finals they call them down there saying that someone said that they cheated and studied with someone that had already take the exam which was impossible but they didnt get a trial and just got suspended for a day and 2 pts off of every class for the semester. this was hard on him too. he just is going through a lot right now. oh ya and his other jerk of a best friend is that one that told, but the he didnt admit too it so we cant hold it against him

 

[*Musicgrl12*]

prayer and advice is really needed now

 

[*Musicgrl12*]

again thank you everyone you have been a bigger help and encouragement than you know