Help me understand something, once and for all! (Mosaic law vs.new law)

[tulc]

War is NOT a sin. Turning the other cheek refers to a slap on the face, not to Holy War. It is required that we slaughter our genocidal mass murdering Saracen enemies.

Uhmm where are those New Testament one's again? The ones that say we are to rule over everyone and the ones in those veins? I must have missed those inbetween the love your neighbor and turning the other cheek ones. And about those saracen enemies, wouldn't it be more likely in the New Testament to be concerned with Romans?
tulc(I knew you couldn't stay away Warrior! here's you daily hug )

 

[tulc]

Sodom and Gamorrah are the only two nations in the Bible that God destroyed utterly. Homosexual Sodomy will be a damanble sin now until Apocalypse.

...and all the nations around during the flood. Show me where it says Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality?
tulc( )

 

[Phoebe]

Ok, I get what you mean now, but get ready, lol.

My next question, is this.

Why exactly do you say that very specifc thing? Where in the Bible do you get the verses to stand up for what you just told me? I need to know, so that I can tell others just as you have done here for me.

Try reading Galatians chapter 2, starting with verse 11. Then read through chapter 3.

 

[Warrior Monk]

Uhmm where are those New Testament one's again?

Your question is a red herring. They are in the Old Testament which is the Word of God.

the love your neighbor

Loving your neighbors doesn't mean you shouldn't hate your enemies. If you don't know how to hate then you can't truly love. The Bible teaches us to be kind to the kind and cruel to the cruel.

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." -- Matthew 18:6

"[Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" -- Matthew 23:33

and turning the other cheek ones.

Turning the other cheek refers specifically and explicitly to a slap on the face -- not to Holy War and Crusade which are Biblically justified.

tulc(I knew you couldn't stay away Warrior! here's you daily hug )

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[countrymousenc]

Loving your neighbors doesn't mean you shouldn't hate your enemies.

Gotcha.

Matthew 5: (Straight from Jesus' own lips!)
43. "You have heard that it was said, `You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44. "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
45. "that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
46. "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
47. "And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?
48. "Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

 

[Warrior Monk]

...and all the nations around during the flood. Show me where it says Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality?
tulc( )

I believe the chapter you're looking for is Genesis 19. Yeah, that's in the Bible which is the Word of God.

 

[Warrior Monk]

Gotcha.

Matthew 5: (Straight from Jesus' own lips!)
43. "You have heard that it was said, `You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44. "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
45. "that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
46. "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
47. "And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?
48. "Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

So why does Jesus **** people to hell if he doesn't hate them?

"[Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" -- Matthew 23:33

 

[Svt4Him]

Jesus doesn't. The death sentance on sin is passed. If you don't sin, you won't go to hell.

 

[Warrior Monk]

Allowing Saracen terrorists to commit mass murder and genocide is a sin. Therefore if you allow them to live you are ****** to hell.

 

[countrymousenc]

Allowing Saracen terrorists to commit mass murder and genocide is a sin. Therefore if you allow them to live you are ****** to hell.

That's what we have governments for, WM. That is not the duty of the Church.

1 Peter 2:
13. Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14. or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men

Our warfare is not fought with guns:

2 Corinthians 10:
3. For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
4. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5. casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
6. and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.

 

[countrymousenc]

So why does Jesus **** people to hell if he doesn't hate them?

"[Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" -- Matthew 23:33

They had already condemned themselves by their unbelief. You can, believe it or not, be angry with someone without hating him. (I have kids, so I know this!) If Jesus had truly hated them, why would He have warned them about where they were headed?

 

[Warrior Monk]

They had already condemned themselves by their unbelief. You can, believe it or not, be angry with someone without hating him. (I have kids, so I know this!) If Jesus had truly hated them, why would He have warned them about where they were headed?

So I guess your point is that we shouldn't hate our Satanic and Nazi enemies, we should just be angry at them and warn them that if they continue with their behavior we will kill them so that Jesus can **** them to hell forever.

 

[ufonium2]

Wow, until it derailed this was a really good thread. Lotar, let me add to the crowd saying thanks for your post! It cleared up a lot of things for me.

 

[countrymousenc]

So I guess your point is that we shouldn't hate our Satanic and Nazi enemies, we should just be angry at them and warn them that if they continue with their behavior we will kill them so that Jesus can **** them to hell forever.

Nope.

 

[Warrior Monk]

It's either kill or be killed. You'd rather commit the sin of suicide and be ****** to hell forever by Jesus Christ than carpet bomb Dresden?

 

[countrymousenc]

It's either kill or be killed. You'd rather commit the sin of suicide and be ****** to hell forever by Jesus Christ than carpet bomb Dresden?

Sorry! I don't own any carpet bombs!

 

[tulc]

Ezek.16: 49-50
49 " 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
tulc

 

[Warrior Monk]

Ezek.16: 49-50
49 " 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
tulc

The detestable thing God is speaking of is the damnable sin of homosexual Sodomy.

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them." -- Leviticus 20

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Homosexuality in and of itself is not a sin, acting on those impulses is. And you have hijacked this thread very successfully. Like any other sin, save blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, homosexual acts are forgivable. We need to evangilize these people and bring them to repentence and not just write them off. Let's see if we can't get this thread back on topic. at this point. The OP was asking what parts of the Mosaic Law are still binding on us as Christians and there was some great response to that, so lets go back a couple of pages and see if we can't comment a little more on topic please.

 

[tulc]

sorry
tulc