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• Mary is mother of the messianic king. Luke 1:32 says of Jesus, He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David. He will rule over the house of Jacob forever and his reign will be without end. It is therefore held in Christianity, that the throne of King David has passed to Jesus. The biblical precedent of ancient Israel is that the mother of the king becomes the Queen Mother - known in Hebrew as the gebirah. Since Jesus is heavenly king, of the lineage of David and Solomon, many see Mary as Queen Mother.

• The Roman Catholic Church also sees Mary crowned as queen in heaven in the Revelation 12, verses 1-5:

• Catholics believe that Psalm 45, "A Song Celebrating the King's Marriage," refers to the Messiah, and thus in verse 9 suggests that Jesus, the Messiah, would have a queen at his right hand. Although Mary was Jesus' mother, she is often portrayed as that queen. Other views are that Psalm 45 refers to the marriage of Jesus to His people -- i.e., the church which is called the "Bride of Christ" or that Psalms 45 is simply a celebration upon the marriage of an earthly king, giving thanks to God but not referring to the Messiah.

• It is also believed by those assigning a special significance to Mary, and believing in her Annunciation, that in Luke 1:26-35 of the New Testament the Archangel Gabriel seems to praise Mary, although she would otherwise be inferior to him. The exact relationship of angels to man, whether angels are inferior or superior to humans is a question debated within Christian theology.

• The regal status in heaven promised to Christians who have faithfully followed Jesus, is a theme in many books of the New Testament. As the prime exemplar of the faithful Christian, it is held that Mary's queenship is the first and most perfect fulfilment of that pledge.

MamaZ said:

Wow.. I am sorry but this sounds close to what God condemed in scripture. The Scripture in Revelation they seem to think belong to Mary. How do they come up with this? There is no marriage in heaven so therfore how can there be mother and dad for scripture tells us we only have one Father and that is God..

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Sphinx777 said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2osa8o8L-E

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WarriorAngel said:

Jesus is God...[but moving on]

i want to first ask 'where' you are getting that this is condemned in scriptures.


Let's start with that.

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we see in scripture where they were elevating the queen of heaven in Jeremiah chapter 44

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WarriorAngel said:

There is a heresy back in the day [was it Arian] who wanted to divide the wholeness of Christ.

He is 100% man - 100% God.
And so you cannot seperate, divide or otherwise pull Him apart and deny who His Mother is.

She is the Mother of the Whole Jesus. Not of half.

Are you half a son for your mom?

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MamaZ said:

Number one point is that Mary was not Jesus mother until He became flesh. For He was before He became flesh.. Jesus did not come into being through Mary.. He is eternal. There is no marriage in Heaven so therefore there are no mothers and daddy's. We are all called bretheren..
Number three. Mary was indeed born of the seed of man.. Therefore she is a created being.. Jesus became flesh meaning that He was not from the seed of Man.. He is creator of man..

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WarriorAngel said:

How did Jesus shed His Blood if He wasnt born of His Mother?

You are totally skipping B to jump to C, and you dont 'get it' that in order to get to C, God chose to have B...
And to have B, God doesnt use ppl and throw them away.

Are you saying you are saved by His Blood because He used and discarded His own Mother?

In order for 'you' to be saved, YOU - yes you - were in need of Mary's obedience.

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