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Hello.

My name is Ben and I have, for the longest time, felt completely hopeless. I have come here hopeing to learn how one becomes a true believer in Christ and the promises the Bible makes. What I believe, as of now, is that that the bible is filled with wonderful life lessons and solid morals. However, I thus far cannot see it as being anything more than a fictitious work.

I truely want to believe. You have no idea how much I wish I did. It just seems so implausible.

What I'd like to know from you is, as Christians, and my mind is completely open to anything you have to say, how do you sustain the idea that we're more than mere specs in the vastness of the universe? What causes you to take the bible and see it as more than just a book?

As of right now I feel empty inside. I feel as if life is but a cruel joke and that the enventuality is I will die and be nothing more.

Please don't reply with information such as open your heart and let God guide you... I go to Church and I try. But there is this huge unwavering doubt... This skepticism that I just cannot tackle and get out of my head is literally torturing me.

I guess what I'm looking for is guidance.
 

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Hello.

My name is Ben and I have, for the longest time, felt completely hopeless. I have come here hopeing to learn how one becomes a true believer in Christ and the promises the Bible makes. What I believe, as of now, is that that the bible is filled with wonderful life lessons and solid morals. However, I thus far cannot see it as being anything more than a fictitious work.

I truely want to believe. You have no idea how much I wish I did. It just seems so implausible.

What I'd like to know from you is, as Christians, and my mind is completely open to anything you have to say, how do you sustain the idea that we're more than mere specs in the vastness of the universe? What causes you to take the bible and see it as more than just a book?

As of right now I feel empty inside. I feel as if life is but a cruel joke and that the enventuality is I will die and be nothing more.

Please don't reply with information such as open your heart and let God guide you... I go to Church and I try. But there is this huge unwavering doubt... This skepticism that I just cannot tackle and get out of my head is literally torturing me.

I guess what I'm looking for is guidance.

Hey Ben. What may help is examining your current view. Personally, I think it takes more faith than belief in the Bible and Jesus Christ. The thought of us just being a random purposeless event is quite absurd. Frankly I don't know how folks keep faith in such an idea.

Some of the early christian fathers like Thomas Aquinas developed logical arguments for the existence of God based on cause and effect. These are called cosmological arguments. There are also teleological arguments for the existence of God. They are based on the idea of purpose and design.

The bottom line is, existence doesn't make any logical sense without God. There's no other possible way we could have gotten here. Do you disagree? If there is no God, tell me how you think we got here? Maybe that would be a good place to start.
 
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Hey Ben. What may help is examining your current view. Personally, I think it takes more faith than belief in the Bible and Jesus Christ. The thought of us just being a random purposeless event is quite absurd. Frankly I don't know how folks keep faith in such an idea.

Some of the early christian fathers like Thomas Aquinas developed logical arguments for the existence of God based on cause and effect. These are called cosmological arguments. There are also teleological arguments for the existence of God. They are based on the idea of purpose and design.

The bottom line is, existence doesn't make any logical sense without God. There's no other possible way we could have gotten here. Do you disagree? If there is no God, tell me how you think we got here? Maybe that would be a good place to start.

That is where my hope stems. The creation of the Universe. But how do you get from the creation of the universe to Christianity. How do you know that we're part of God's purpose?
 
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That is where my hope stems. The creation of the Universe. But how do you get from the creation of the universe to Christianity. How do you know that we're part of God's purpose?

It really depends on where you're at. Everyone comes to believe for different reasons it seems. You'd have to tell me more about the source of your doubts. Do you doubt the historical accuracy of the Bible? Do you have difficulty believing in miracles? Do you have moral issues with God and how He's portrayed in the Bible? Do you have problems with some of the concepts in the Bible like Hell and eternal punishment? If you could share some details in this area maybe I could give you some things to think about and possibly remove some stumbling blocks.
 
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Hello.

My name is Ben and I have, for the longest time, felt completely hopeless. I have come here hopeing to learn how one becomes a true believer in Christ and the promises the Bible makes. What I believe, as of now, is that that the bible is filled with wonderful life lessons and solid morals. However, I thus far cannot see it as being anything more than a fictitious work.

It's quite amazing for a work of fiction however, I mean, think about it, 2000 years old, and the moral merits are still vaild, the life lessions are still sound.

That should plant the seeds that this is not "Just a Book" I mean think about it, two thousand years, that's ten times longer then this country has been around, and ths Book is still Valid.

After Two Hundred years, we are still mucking around with the Constution, but not the Bible.

That to me is Just amazing.

I truely want to believe. You have no idea how much I wish I did. It just seems so implausible.

What I'd like to know from you is, as Christians, and my mind is completely open to anything you have to say, how do you sustain the idea that we're more than mere specs in the vastness of the universe? What causes you to take the bible and see it as more than just a book?

We are just specs in the vastness of Space, and each one of us, just one of 5 billion like life forms on this plant of hundred of billions of life forms.

And yet, God has taken a special intrest to us, God chose this planet, to make us on.

Makes me Feel Special, and wholy unworthly at the same time.

As of right now I feel empty inside. I feel as if life is but a cruel joke and that the enventuality is I will die and be nothing more.

It seems that way huh?

Life is about a journey, and what better end, then to meet the author of life itself. It's like reading the most amazing book, and then meeting the person that wrote it. How amazing is that!

Please don't reply with information such as open your heart and let God guide you... I go to Church and I try. But there is this huge unwavering doubt... This skepticism that I just cannot tackle and get out of my head is literally torturing me.

I guess what I'm looking for is guidance.

It's all about how you look at it.

Following Christ, does not answer all your questions, it opens up new ones.

God Bless

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It really depends on where you're at. Everyone comes to believe for different reasons it seems. You'd have to tell me more about the source of your doubts. Do you doubt the historical accuracy of the Bible? Do you have difficulty believing in miracles? Do you have moral issues with God and how He's portrayed in the Bible? Do you have problems with some of the concepts in the Bible like Hell and eternal punishment? If you could share some details in this area maybe I could give you some things to think about and possibly remove some stumbling blocks.

To begin with I'd have to begin with the Bible itself and the different dominations that are built around it. Firstly, one would think something like the Bible would be clear. However, over a period of two millenia it seems that portions have been altered by the church or different interpretations have been made. Take for example, as you've brought it up, Hell. The idea that groups of people would be sent to an eternity of pain and suffering for not believing in God a certain way would hugely benefit the church. The more followers the church gains the more powerful it becomes.

If there is a hell I don't see how an eternity of pain would be appropriate. Expecially for those who were simply ignorant but did no wrong.

I'd like to hear your take on miracles as well. And some of the things in the bible that seems somewhat illogical. The earth being created in a matter of days. Which I've been told is somewhat of a mistranslation. That "What is a day to God?". Noah & his Ark: two of every animal. I've heard that there is proof of a massive flood 2,000 years ago, though it didn't cover the entire earth.
 
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Hello.

My name is Ben and I have, for the longest time, felt completely hopeless. I have come here hopeing to learn how one becomes a true believer in Christ and the promises the Bible makes. What I believe, as of now, is that that the bible is filled with wonderful life lessons and solid morals. However, I thus far cannot see it as being anything more than a fictitious work.

I truely want to believe. You have no idea how much I wish I did. It just seems so implausible.

What I'd like to know from you is, as Christians, and my mind is completely open to anything you have to say, how do you sustain the idea that we're more than mere specs in the vastness of the universe? What causes you to take the bible and see it as more than just a book?

As of right now I feel empty inside. I feel as if life is but a cruel joke and that the enventuality is I will die and be nothing more.

Please don't reply with information such as open your heart and let God guide you... I go to Church and I try. But there is this huge unwavering doubt... This skepticism that I just cannot tackle and get out of my head is literally torturing me.

I guess what I'm looking for is guidance.
Is there anything about your faith you are happy about? The community of your church for example (if not, find another church). Find what you are ok with at the moment, and concentrate on that. Most Christians go through a period of doubting and/or struggle with their faith - but few admit it. Persist and things can get better.
 
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We see the work of God all around us in life. He speaks volumes to each one of us with life everyday, yet so many of us say that God is silent. The Bible says that the devil deceives the whole world into thinking that there is no God when no man can give life by reverse engineering the awesome intelligently designed mechanisms we see in this world and dimension. All things are made of the unseen, yet we narrow our vision when speaking of the Creator of all these wonderful things we experience. Even our conscious being is evidence of a Maker. DNA demands a programmer, being far ahead of any mans intelligence to fully decipher as of yet.
The Bible tells us that we will share in the glory of God through His Son Jesus who was God in the flesh of man. You see, God is not limited to just the dimensions of a man and is able to be three persons in unity for mankind's benefit.
So, we have great purpose as God's creation and great responsibility to learn what He gives us to learn in this life about what true love is. Because mankind fell into sin and death through Adam, we have the opportunity to partake of God's divine nature. We are created in the very "image " of God, and are meant to be His family and people - brothers and sisters to Jesus. The Bible says that we will be rulers not only of ths world, but of this universe. Now that sounds like something that would not be boring at all, to have as a future.
Man was created with an eternal body but lost that through death when Adam, the first man, was deceived by the devil and fell into sin and death. All men since Adam have inherited that flaw in nature - to sin and die. Not only man, but this whole world suffers from the effects of death, but through the one man, Jesus, we will have eternal life once again and all things will be restored. We have that promise, and like the faith it takes to wait for the end of the week and a pay check, the Christian has faith that God will do the things He has promised - that Jesus will return and restore all things - making all things right again in this world.
If you are feeling tortured, it is not God, but the devil deceiving you. God has good things for your future and gives all of us hope. Fear is the opposite of faith, expecting bad things to happen, but faith expects a good future. Put off thoughts of fear and trust God by asking His help. Don't expect a thunder clap when you get done asking, but just know that God hears the humble and broken hearted. Through life, you will see things change, and what greater language is there than life? What says more than life? In like manner, we see that death speaks of darkness, evil, and a lack of light. Light dispells the darkness no matter how threatening it appears. So put your faith and expectations in God by faith and believe for a good future in Him.
If you think the science of men proves God does not exist, just forget it as a thick deception of the enemy. Men don't really know so much and probably the greatest scientsts that ever have lived believed in God. The same goes for today, although they are often persecuted and labeled for their beliefs in the secular humanist educational system we have today. Many scientists continue to discover God's intelligent design as they search without prejudice for what is truth. Actually, the very vocation of scientist drives many to faith, today, as they see more and more the scriptures coming alive in truth.
Seek God with all your heart, and the fears and frustrations will vanish. He has made each person special and love is what we are supposed to learn. Love that gives in action - not just with lip service.
The world lets its brothers and sisters starve to death every night. It goes to war and kills and fights for power and dominion, but Jesus tells us to not do these things. He tells us to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick, and give shelter to even the stranger. So there is a lot to do with just those things right there. We get our minds off of our selfish lives and start to serve others. What happens is that we find great purpose in what God gives us to do with true love and find that we feel great about ourselves too.
Godd things are ahead if you seek and ask of God while ignoring the devils lies that inspire men to deny God....

Jer 29:11 ‘For I know the plans that I have for you,’ declares the LORD, ‘plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.

Ps 34:18 The LORD is close to the brokenhearted; he rescues those who are crushed in spirit.

Ro 10:8 Salvation that comes from trusting Christ—which is the message we preach—is already within easy reach. In fact, the Scriptures say, "The message is close at hand; it is on your lips and in your heart." 9 For if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved.
 
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What I'd like to know from you is, as Christians, and my mind is completely open to anything you have to say, how do you sustain the idea that we're more than mere specs in the vastness of the universe?


I have some books and DVDs I would like to recommend. If you can't or don't want to buy them, go to you nearest library. They can get them through inter-library loan if they do not have them at no cost to you.


The Priviledge Planet
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...2246458-2038357?_encoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130


Rare Earth
http://www.amazon.com/Rare-Earth-Co...9/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/002-2903504-9887246?ie=UTF8


Wonder of the World
http://www.amazon.com/Wonder-World-..._bbs_sr_2/002-2903504-9887246?ie=UTF8&s=books

The Case For The Creator
http://www.amazon.com/Case-Creator-..._bbs_sr_1/002-2903504-9887246?ie=UTF8&s=books
 
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Please don't reply with information such as open your heart and let God guide you... I go to Church and I try. But there is this huge unwavering doubt... This skepticism that I just cannot tackle and get out of my head is literally torturing me.

I would be wrong to tell you to open your own heart. We are all dead in our sins, and cannot come to God. God comes to us. I think that takes a lot of pressure off :) .

Just tell God what you've said to us. "Lord I doubt you, but want you more than anything...please help me."
There is a verse in the bible that says "There is nothing new under the sun." Meaning, many others have been at the point that you are, and have become Christians. God knows what you need, and when you need it.

One thing you can count on is that God wants you to be saved. That is His promise throughout the bible. Even a faith as small as a mustard seed is still faith. Also, God promises that "a smoldering wick He will not snuff out." So even if your faith in Jesus is the most tiny flame there ever was, He will cause it to grow.

Ask your Lord for help...He will help you :prayer: . Surround yourself with other Christians, and God's Word. Please speak with your pastor, he will be more than happy to answer your questions.

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Just because you have doubts does not mean that you don't have faith. Let me give you an example.

I have a tremendous fear of flying. I just can't get over the doubts in my mind about a huge chunk of metal being able to get airborne.

I see planes flying every day. There are all kinds of evidence and statistics the show flying to be one of the safest ways to travel. Even so, I just can't get convince myself that I wont' die if I choose to fly on a plane.

Even so, I will still get on an airplane from time to time. This is where the faith comes in. I have all kinds of doubts about surviving the flight, yet I make the decision to get on the airplane.

Faith isn't an emotion. And it doesn't come about from a lack of doubt. We all have serious doubts from time to time, some of us more than others. I often struggle with my faith in God because I tend to have an extremely rational brain. Even so, I make the decision to believe there is a God and that I will follow Him. That is what faith is all about.
 
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Let's take these one at a time.

To begin with I'd have to begin with the Bible itself and the different dominations that are built around it. Firstly, one would think something like the Bible would be clear. However, over a period of two millenia it seems that portions have been altered by the church or different interpretations have been made.

Different interpretation, yes, but the Bible itself has not been altered. Here's a good article to start with on understanding the how well preserved the Bible is.

Manuscript Support for the
Bible's Reliability


Regarding denominations, I actually take the opposite view. After studying church history, I think they are a good thing and support the idea that the Bible is clear on essential doctrines, specifically the nature of God and how one is saved. Early in church history, churches and states were not separate. The fear was that, if allowed, denominations would obfuscate basic christianity. But actually the opposite happened. All christian denominations united on the basics! I could go to a baptist, presbyterian, lutheran, methodist, pentecostal, nondenominational, etc., church and worship the same God and hear the same message of salvation. There would be disagreements on peripheral issues but Paul tells us this is okay and how to handle it in Romans 14.

Now of course there are going to be denominations that disagree even on the essentials, but this is to be expected also. The Bible warns us to beware of false teachers. Generally those groups that deny essential christian doctrines like the Trinity and salvation by grace also deny scripture as their sole authority in matters. There is also liberalism in many churches, where you also have denial of biblical authority for reasons of a lack of belief in the Bibles accuracy. But generally you are going to see overwhelming agreement among denominations that affirm scripture as their sole authority. This is evidence that the Bible was written clearly in the essential areas. Using the states power to force essential doctrine on christians turned out not to be necessary. Paul's claim about the sufficiency of scripture was vindicated.

One thing you may want to watch out for are those denominations that claims to be the only true church. These will deem themselves as having sole authority to interpret God's word. There are many of these out there. Look for churches that look to the Bible alone and don't consider themselves to the the only church. Look for those that encourage you to test their teachings against the Bible—those that adhere to the Berean principle. Look for those who affirm the Bible to be the inerrant world of God. These you will likely find to be unified on basic christianity. Personally I find the vast agreement that I have with my brothers of different denominations to be quite encouraging. This would not occur if the Bible was not clear.

Hope that helps. More on the other subjects soon. I'd like your feedback on this, though, if you have any specific follow up questions.
 
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Hello.

My name is Ben and I have, for the longest time, felt completely hopeless. I have come here hopeing to learn how one becomes a true believer in Christ and the promises the Bible makes. What I believe, as of now, is that that the bible is filled with wonderful life lessons and solid morals. However, I thus far cannot see it as being anything more than a fictitious work.

I truely want to believe. You have no idea how much I wish I did. It just seems so implausible.

What I'd like to know from you is, as Christians, and my mind is completely open to anything you have to say, how do you sustain the idea that we're more than mere specs in the vastness of the universe? What causes you to take the bible and see it as more than just a book?

As of right now I feel empty inside. I feel as if life is but a cruel joke and that the enventuality is I will die and be nothing more.

Please don't reply with information such as open your heart and let God guide you... I go to Church and I try. But there is this huge unwavering doubt... This skepticism that I just cannot tackle and get out of my head is literally torturing me.

I guess what I'm looking for is guidance.
All I can do is give you my witness.Or rather tell you how I came to believe.I was not always a believer,though many,people had over the years,tried to convince me of the existance of God.Just like you I felt it was just so much fiction.A crutch for those less stable individuals.Frankly, the behavior of Christian believers was the biggest turn off.I did not know the gospel,but those that did seemed to be insincere.In your face Christians...So, the years passed. However I noticed that the issue of God was always with me. At 50, I retired. This separated me from daily life as I knew it. I imagined a life of leisure streaching out in front of me. Strangely,I couldn't stop thinking about world events and how they related to Bible prophesy. I hadn't actually read the Bible,but I'd heard that these events were foretold.So I started surfing the web looking for prophesy websites.Strange behavior for an athiest. I kept returning to one of them,reading through it time after time.I did have a Bible on hand,so I checked what they said was written against it.Shure enough,there it was.I realised that the trouble we are now seeing in the world,was in fact the beginning of sorrows,that would lead finally to the last battle.I became convinced that there was in fact a God.Not just any God but the God of the Hebrew prophets.With my new understanding I realised that I was a walking dead man that was in need of salvation.This knowledge caused me to finally accept that salvation,repenting or rather turning away from my former life.Promising God to follow the gospel spoken by Jesus Christ.And to copy to the best of my ability,the example he set.My faith has caused a great change in me personally,and has opened my eyes to another more profound reality.Sort of like when Neo took the red pill in The Matrix.It's that different.It sounds like you are also being drawn,or called to faith.Just like me.Do not fear.Take the step.It's an adventure beyond your wildest dreams.I will pray for you.
 
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Let's take these one at a time.



Different interpretation, yes, but the Bible itself has not been altered. Here's a good article to start with on understanding the how well preserved the Bible is.

Manuscript Support for the
Bible's Reliability


Regarding denominations, I actually take the opposite view. After studying church history, I think they are a good thing and support the idea that the Bible is clear on essential doctrines, specifically the nature of God and how one is saved. Early in church history, churches and states were not separate. The fear was that, if allowed, denominations would obfuscate basic christianity. But actually the opposite happened. All christian denominations united on the basics! I could go to a baptist, presbyterian, lutheran, methodist, pentecostal, nondenominational, etc., church and worship the same God and hear the same message of salvation. There would be disagreements on peripheral issues but Paul tells us this is okay and how to handle it in Romans 14.

Now of course there are going to be denominations that disagree even on the essentials, but this is to be expected also. The Bible warns us to beware of false teachers. Generally those groups that deny essential christian doctrines like the Trinity and salvation by grace also deny scripture as their sole authority in matters. There is also liberalism in many churches, where you also have denial of biblical authority for reasons of a lack of belief in the Bibles accuracy. But generally you are going to see overwhelming agreement among denominations that affirm scripture as their sole authority. This is evidence that the Bible was written clearly in the essential areas. Using the states power to force essential doctrine on christians turned out not to be necessary. Paul's claim about the sufficiency of scripture was vindicated.

One thing you may want to watch out for are those denominations that claims to be the only true church. These will deem themselves as having sole authority to interpret God's word. There are many of these out there. Look for churches that look to the Bible alone and don't consider themselves to the the only church. Look for those that encourage you to test their teachings against the Bible—those that adhere to the Berean principle. Look for those who affirm the Bible to be the inerrant world of God. These you will likely find to be unified on basic christianity. Personally I find the vast agreement that I have with my brothers of different denominations to be quite encouraging. This would not occur if the Bible was not clear.

Hope that helps. More on the other subjects soon. I'd like your feedback on this, though, if you have any specific follow up questions.
I agree with this very well-explained response.
 
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That is where my hope stems. The creation of the Universe. But how do you get from the creation of the universe to Christianity. How do you know that we're part of God's purpose?

Some of the ebooks on the following site may be helpful to you:

http://www.apologeticspress.org/ebooks/

The Scientific Case for Creation
How Do You Know the Bible is From God
The Case for the Existence of God
The Truth About Human Origins

...are some of the ebooks on the site.

God bless!
 
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All I can do is give you my witness.Or rather tell you how I came to believe.I was not always a believer,though many,people had over the years,tried to convince me of the existance of God.Just like you I felt it was just so much fiction.A crutch for those less stable individuals.Frankly, the behavior of Christian believers was the biggest turn off.I did not know the gospel,but those that did seemed to be insincere.In your face Christians...So, the years passed. However I noticed that the issue of God was always with me. At 50, I retired. This separated me from daily life as I knew it. I imagined a life of leisure streaching out in front of me. Strangely,I couldn't stop thinking about world events and how they related to Bible prophesy. I hadn't actually read the Bible,but I'd heard that these events were foretold.So I started surfing the web looking for prophesy websites.Strange behavior for an athiest. I kept returning to one of them,reading through it time after time.I did have a Bible on hand,so I checked what they said was written against it.Shure enough,there it was.I realised that the trouble we are now seeing in the world,was in fact the beginning of sorrows,that would lead finally to the last battle.I became convinced that there was in fact a God.Not just any God but the God of the Hebrew prophets.With my new understanding I realised that I was a walking dead man that was in need of salvation.This knowledge caused me to finally accept that salvation,repenting or rather turning away from my former life.Promising God to follow the gospel spoken by Jesus Christ.And to copy to the best of my ability,the example he set.My faith has caused a great change in me personally,and has opened my eyes to another more profound reality.Sort of like when Neo took the red pill in The Matrix.It's that different.It sounds like you are also being drawn,or called to faith.Just like me.Do not fear.Take the step.It's an adventure beyond your wildest dreams.I will pray for you.
Yeah, it seems like mankind rehearses the story of the Creator/Architect and the need for a savior even in the movies. Neo saves his people and the architect agrees with him in saying that the problem is choice. It was the same with mankind. A choice offered brought the problem of sin and death for which God, the Creator and Architect, provided the Savior as solution. Everywhere I look, now, I see God's hand...
 
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Hello.

My name is Ben and I have, for the longest time, felt completely hopeless. I have come here hopeing to learn how one becomes a true believer in Christ and the promises the Bible makes. What I believe, as of now, is that that the bible is filled with wonderful life lessons and solid morals. However, I thus far cannot see it as being anything more than a fictitious work.

I truely want to believe. You have no idea how much I wish I did. It just seems so implausible.

What I'd like to know from you is, as Christians, and my mind is completely open to anything you have to say, how do you sustain the idea that we're more than mere specs in the vastness of the universe? What causes you to take the bible and see it as more than just a book?

As of right now I feel empty inside. I feel as if life is but a cruel joke and that the enventuality is I will die and be nothing more.

Please don't reply with information such as open your heart and let God guide you... I go to Church and I try. But there is this huge unwavering doubt... This skepticism that I just cannot tackle and get out of my head is literally torturing me.

I guess what I'm looking for is guidance.
My answer to you is this: The search and the emptiness you feel right now is preparation for your salvation. You are currently aware of some void in your life and you are searching. This is the first step. Sooner or later, God will manifest Himself to you and you will "know" for yourself the reality that defies all logic that says that it must not be real. Christians often use the word "know" and those who are not Christian tell us that we cannot "know". Logically, this is true. Yet, in the true believer, there is in each of us something much greater than the physical world we live in. We believe by faith. In turn, our beliefs are upheld by the daily miracles in our lives. They are not earth shattering miracles but changes in our daily lives and a heightened awareness of things that are not of this world.

However, there seems to be a requirement of "proof" for most to "believe". God will not give you this proof. He, for whatever reason, has determined that salvation comes to those who have faith. It is like walking off a cliff and believing that someone will catch you. Most will not walk off the cliff because they do not believe in an unseen salvation waiting for them below.

The greatest "proof" of God can be found in the testimony of the believer. You would be far greater served to be asking for the "before" and "after" of us Christians rather than physical proof of God's existence or evidence that the Bible is scientifically plausible. I am not saying that you have done that. I am just pointing out that God doesn't work like that. Faith comes first, proof later.

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Some of the ebooks on the following site may be helpful to you:

http://www.apologeticspress.org/ebooks/

The Scientific Case for Creation
How Do You Know the Bible is From God
The Case for the Existence of God
The Truth About Human Origins

...are some of the ebooks on the site.

God bless!
What an excellent resource!
 
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Hi extfour. I know how you feel. You've recently come to the point where you're starting to see life for what it is --a whole lot the same stuff. As they say in the adult world "SSDD" -same stuff, different day. So you're looking to see if there's more.
Before I give you the details, here is the jist of Christianity. Pay attention, because this is the most important part. This is the reason why Christ came to Earth and died. Make sure you understand this, because it is the biggest fundamental.

The Gospel:

Are you a good person? By human standards, probably. We Christians believe in a perfect, just, and holy God. So does God think you and I are good people? Well, He gave us a standard to know. You can take this little quiz and know. You don't have to share your score:

1) Have you ever lied? If so what does that make you? Well, someone who lies is a liar. Some people say "Well that was a long time ago". Christians believe that time does not erase the guilt of sin(as it says in the Bible), so it remains.

2) Have you ever stolen anything(mp3s, anyone)? (value is irrelevant)? If you have, what does that make you? (Hint: a thief)

3) Have you ever taken the Lord's name in vain? The Bible calls that blasphemy.

4) Have you ever looked at a woman with lust? Jesus said that if you even look at a woman with lust you have committed adultery with her in your heart.

So let's stop there. If you have committed all these sins (as I have) that makes you a lying, thieving, blasphemous adulterer at heart, and we've only looked at four of the Ten Commandments. This is how God sees me, and maybe you.

So in God's eyes none of us are good people. That is why the Bible says "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God".

The Bible says that the punishment for sin is death and eternal suffering in Hell (second death). So that's why you don't have to be a 'bad person' by our standards. If you break the Law you only need to break one law to have the cops after you. You don't have to break every law.

But here's the good news (that's why we call it the Good News). You don't have to suffer eternally. You do not have to face judgement. Jesus, who lived a clean and sinless life, died on the Cross at Calvary. Like a father who pays his son's speeding ticket, Jesus died the first death on the Cross so you don't have to suffer the second one (eternity in Hell). All you have to do is accept Him as your Lord and Savior. It's kind of like a party: The invitation has already been sent and received, you just need to show up.

As for reasons to believe the Bible, I'll post a few here. You can find more in "Hidden Wealth: Scientific Facts in the Bible" by Ray Comfort.

The Bible and Ship Dimensions
In Genesis 6, God gave Noah the dimensions of the 1.5 million cubic foot ark he was to build In 1609 at Hoorn in Holland, a ship was built after that same pattern(30:5:3), revolutionizing shipbuilding. By 1900 every large ship on the high seas was inclined toward the proportions of the ark(verified by "Lloyd's Register of Shipping" in World Almanac

The Bible and the Immune System
The Bible instructs that male babies are to circumcised on the eigth day (Genesis 17:12). Medical science has now discovered that this is the day that the coagulating factor in the blood, called prothrombin, is the highest. It reaches its peak on the eighth day, then drops. Medical science has also discovered that this is when the human body's immune system is at its peak.

The Bible and the Hittite Empire
The Scriptures make more than 40 references to the great Hittite Empire. However, until on hundred years ago there was no archaeological evidence to substantiate the biblical claim that the Hittites existed. Skeptis declared that the Bible was in error, until their mouths were suddenly stopped. In 1906, Hugo Winckler uncovered a huge library of 10,000 clay tablets, which completely documented the lost Hittie Empire. We now know that at its height, the Hittite civilization rivaled Egypt and Assyria in its glory and power.

The Book of Job and Air Mass
"Scripture tells us in Job 28:25 that there is 'a weight for the wind'. Long before it wasrecognized that the air had weight (sixteenth century), the Bible said that it did. It also tells us that water has weight. The fact that so much water covers the earth means that the effects of the sun and moon's gravity are balanced perfectly. The energy is dissipated in the water --the weight of the water is precisely measured." Richard Gunther

The Bible and Meteorological Laws
The Scriptures describe a "cycle" of air currents two thousand years before scientists discovered them: "The wind goes toward the south, and turns about unto the north; ti whirls about continually, and the wind returns again according to his circuits" (Ecclesiates 1:6). We now know that air around the earth turns in huge circles, clockwise in one hemisphere and countercockwise in the other.

The Bible and the Science of Oceanography
Matthew Maury (1806-1873) is considered the father of Oceanography. He noticed the expression "paths of the sea" in Psalm 8:8 (written 2,800 years ago) and said "If God said there are paths in the sea, then I am going to find them." Maury then took God at His word and went looking for these paths, and we are indebted to his dicovery of the warm and cold continental currents. His book on oceanography remains a basic text on the subject and is still used in universities.

The Bible and Radio Waves
God asked Job a very strange question in 1500 BC. He asked "Can you send lightnings, that they may go, and say to you, Here we are?"Job 38:35. This appears to be a scientifically ludicrous statement--that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech. But did you know that all electromagnetic radiation -from radio waves to x-rays --travels at the speed of light? This is why you have instantaneous wireless communication with someone on the other side of the earth. The fact that light could be sent and then manifest itself in speech wasn't discovered by science until 1864(3,300 years later), when "British scientist James Clerk Maxwell suggested that electricity and light waves were two forms of the same thing"(Modern Century Ilustrated Encyclopedia

The Scriptures Speak of an Invisible Structure
Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of things that we cannot see--invisible atoms. In Hebrews 11:3, written 2000 years ago, Scripture tells us that the "things which are seen were not made of things which do appear".

The Bible Speaks of One Common Ancestor
"Researchers suggest that virtually all modern men --99% of them, says one scientist --are closely related genetically and share genes with one male ancestor, dubbed 'Y-chromosome Adam'. We are finding that humans have very, very shallow genetic roots which go back very recently to one ancestor . . . That indicates that there was an origin in a specific location on the globe, ad then it spread out from there." (US News and World Report, Dec 4, 1995)

Law of Probabilities Confirms Genesis
"The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is one out of 10^40,000. It is big enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of evolution. There was no primeval soup, neither on this planet nor on any other, and if the beginnings of life were not random, they must therefore have been the product of purposeful intelligence" Sir Fred Hoyle, professor of astronomy, Cambridge University

The Bible's Prediction of the Middle East Conflict
In the Book of Beginnings, in Genesis16:12, God said that Ishmael (the progenitor of the Arab race see Time, April 4, 1988) would be a "wild man . . . and every man's hand [will be] against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." Almost four thousand years later, who could deny that this prophecy isbeing fulfilled in the Arab race? The Arabs and the Jews are "brethren" having Abraham as their ancestor. The whole Middle East conflict is caused by their dwelling together.

The Bible Predicts Russia's Attack of Israel
A number of books of the Bible speak of future events. Ezekiel 38 (written approximately 600 BC) prophesies that in these times ("the latter days", v 16), Russia (referred to as the "Prince of Rosh"; see Smith's Bible Dictionary, p 584) will combine with Iran, Libya(in Hebrew called "Put"), and communistic ethiopia(in Hebrew called "Cush") and attack Israel (vv5-8). This will take place after an Israeli peace initiative has been successful(v. 11).
The Bible even gives the Russian reasoning for and the direction of the attack(vv 10-15), as well as the location of the battle(Armageddon--Revelation16:16). This is generally interpreted as meaning "the mountain of Megiddo," which is located on the north side of the plains of Jezreel. Russia has had a foothold in the Middle East for many years: "The Soviets are entrenched around the rim of the Middle East heartland, in Afhanistan, South Yemen, Ethiopia, and Libya"("Countdown in the Middle East,"Reader's Digest, May 1982)

 
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