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Erinwilcox said:But I liked the 30th verse best! But why stop there? You might as well sing until the 133th verse-that way you'll make sure that EVERYBODY has come forward and nobody has been left unconverted!
You know, I get a totally different meaning from that hymn. I will have to go back and look at it again.Erinwilcox said:But I liked the 30th verse best! But why stop there? You might as well sing until the 133th verse-that way you'll make sure that EVERYBODY has come forward and nobody has been left unconverted!
Jenda said:You know, I get a totally different meaning from that hymn. I will have to go back and look at it again.
OOOOHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!HiredGoon said:Jenda, I don't think it's the lyrics of the song that are being discussed here. Rather, it's about how some churches abuse the song in their alter calls. I've seen some alter calls that seem to go on for hours, because they want to give everone a chance to come on down and get "saved." All the while, the congregation is singing "Just as I am" over and over, and over, and over, and over. Until the pastor decides that everyone who's gonna come on down and get saved has done so. It really can get annoying.
HiredGoon said:Jenda, I don't think it's the lyrics of the song that are being discussed here. Rather, it's about how some churches abuse the song in their alter calls. I've seen some alter calls that seem to go on for hours, because they want to give everone a chance to come on down and get "saved." All the while, the congregation is singing "Just as I am" over and over, and over, and over, and over. Until the pastor decides that everyone who's gonna come on down and get saved has done so. It really can get annoying.
I know two hymns "Just As I Am". This one. http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/j/u/justasam.htmcygnusx1 said:now you come to mention it , the Anglicans just wanted to get on home as soon as the service time was up , and the Pentecostals they didn't care how many times they sang it through , they also had an inferior tune to the Anglican version
Jenda said:I know two hymns "Just As I Am". This one. http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/j/u/justasam.htm
And this one. http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/j/u/juaithin.htm
Are either of them the ones you are referring to?
firstly, I refer to the fact that John Calvin believed in the ever-virginity of Mary. secondly, he didn't believe in transubstantiation. He believed in the mystery of the Lord's Supper as a partaking of Christ's Body and Blood by faith. however, he was closer to the view of Luther than that of Zwingli.Good Grief!!!I don't know any Roman Catholic who would call himself a Calvinist or any Calvinist who would ever consider calling himself a Roman Catholic. Your ideas of Calvinism are false. I don't know where you got your teaching on Calvinism, but I would suggest that you stop using them because they've got problems. No Calvinist would EVER say that Mary remained a virgin forever (they would combat it), or agree to Transubstantiation (didn't you read the Reformation Day Polka ?). If they did, then they would be branded as heretics.
From: Truth For all Time: A brief outline of the Christian faith. By John Calvin.John Calvin said:The emblems of this mystery are the bread and wine through which the Lord holds out to us the true communication of His Body and Blood. We are talking of spiritual communion, which is effected by the bond of the Holy Spirit alone, and which in no way requires a presence enclosed in Christ's flesh through the bread or His blood through the wine. For although Christ, exalted in Heaven, has left behind this earthly abode in which we are still pilgrims, yet no distance can dissolve His power by which He feeds His people with Himself. Although they are very far from Him, by this power He grants them to enjoy a communion with Himself which is nonetheless very close.
ok. so calvinism is merely the five points is it? it is not the whole system of theology taught by this man? btw, i happen to think his idea of the Lord's Supper was pretty much the right one.Yeah, but what we call Calvinists today do NOT espouse those views. So, when you claim that Calvinists believe them, that is false. We, as Calvinists, espouse only those teachings of Calvin as were biblical. So, in other words, John Calvin wasn't exactly what we today know as Calvinists.
Pretty much. "Calvinism" is short-hand for "Calvinistic soteriology," which is the five points of the TULIP acrostic. This is not to say that Calvin did not make substantial contributions to the overall system of Reformed Theology, but that is not the system that bears his name.pjw said:ok. so calvinism is merely the five points is it?
No. Calvinism refers to Reformed soteriology. Reformed Theology is the proper name for "Presbyterianism" (the Westminster Confession and Catechisms) or "Reformed Church" (the three forms of unityBelgic Confession, Heidelberg Catechism, Canons of Dordrecht). These two formulations came about 100 years after Calvin and they constitute the tested and refined theology of the Reformation. Calvin's theology is strongly reflected in both of these. Incidentally, the only real differences between the two were Presbyterianism was the British form of Reformed Christianity and the Reformed Church was the continental version of the same.pjw said:it is not the whole system of theology taught by this man?
thank-you.Pretty much. "Calvinism" is short-hand for "Calvinistic soteriology," which is the five points of the TULIP acrostic. This is not to say that Calvin did not make substantial contributions to the overall system of Reformed Theology, but that is not the system that bears his name.
thank-you again. i think i already knew that.No. Calvinism refers to Reformed soteriology. Reformed Theology is the proper name for "Presbyterianism" (the Westminster Confession and Catechisms) or "Reformed Church" (the three forms of unityBelgic Confession, Heidelberg Catechism, Canons of Dordrecht). These two formulations came about 100 years after Calvin and they constitute the tested and refined theology of the Reformation. Calvin's theology is strongly reflected in both of these. Incidentally, the only real differences between the two were Presbyterianism was the British form of Reformed Christianity and the Reformed Church was the continental version of the same.
pjw said:ok. so calvinism is merely the five points is it? it is not the whole system of theology taught by this man? btw, i happen to think his idea of the Lord's Supper was pretty much the right one.
Erinwilcox said:I suppose that you're right. . .in some ways. You wouldn't find me waving to you in a liquor store. Of course, I am underage. But even still, my family has a history of alcoholics. Therefore, I just choose not to drink so as not to risk anything (I'm told that it runs in the family). But I'm not opposed to drinking, so long as it's in moderation. But you sound proud of it! The difference, I mean.
edb19 said:I beg to differ - I'm a Baptist and I always say hello to people I know in the liquor store.Also in the refrigerated beer section of the grocery store. I especially like talking to the wine expert at Anderson's.
Of course, I say hello to people I don't know too so maybe I'm not a good example.
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