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Skaloop

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Two dimensional beings would not be able to "see" each other. And it's plane, not plain.
 
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Why not? They'd just see a one dimensional view of the world, just as we see a two-dimensional view of the world.

What would they see, though? They are on a 2D plane, "looking" across a 2D plane that has no thickness; there's no dimension to see. If they could see a line, that line would have 2 dimensions, which means that whatever they are seeing actually has 3 dimensions and is not 2D at all.
 
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I'll engage you in discussion.

Why do you want to prevent us from believing you entirely? You talk about thousands of false profits (and I assume you meant prophets), untrue messages, and spiritual confusion, yet you purposely don't want to provide us with an entire reason to believe you? You even said you came here because of confusion.

Aren't the scores of existing, contradictory, religions a testament to that approach not working? Isn't that the type of strategy that causes the confusion the first place? Why come and give partial, incomplete truths, and then be surprised that there is spiritual confusion? If your goal is to alleviate confusion, why not offer proof that is above and beyond anything all of these false prophets and messengers offered?

So, I am interested to hear your spiritual truth, but I would like to see a reason why I should accept it as spiritual truth, instead of filing in with my cabinet of one thousand untruths.

-Lyn

Many psychics and new age spiritual people refer to "ether", the "other side" or whatever you want to call it as the fourth dimension. I don't know why, but it's common. So if you're confused why he (she, it?) is using that phrase, well, at least know it's common. Secondly, he mentioned vibration which is also commonly used by psychics and new age spiritual people. They talk about people having different vibrational levels, with more conscious beings having higher ones, the people in the afterlife having higher ones, and archangels and such having even higher. These higher beings have to lower their vibrations to interact with this world. (Or so it's believed).
 
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The reasoning is that if I appear here, on this internet, typos and all, you’ll most certainly doubt me. We never ever want anyone to simply accept anything as spiritual truth. One must learn of their own spirituality at their own pace individually. I’m simply providing you with information that may aid you all in your seeking. When one doubts, one must disprove. And yes, you can show typos, but ask yourself about the concepts. Reflect on the abstract. If there were a “true religion” it would be the “religion of no religion.” The religion of “individuality.” Make your religion your own name and update and change your beliefs on a day to day basis as you see best fit. So long as you are making an honest attempt at spiritual discovery, you will eventually succeed.
 
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Okay, but I would have really been more impressed if he'd said he was in The Fifth Dimension:

YouTube - Fifth Dimension Hits Medley - 1971 TV Special
 
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So you're coming here because of confusion, yet apparently causing more by not wanting to reveal all truth for fear of people simply accepting it.

It looks like, then, that the divine is in a dilemma with the mortal. You want to tell us things, yet don't tell us things for fear of us actually believing you. So the state of confusion must be either intended, or a fundamental side-effect that your strategy cannot cope with effectively.

Regardless, here goes:
-Is there a goal of human life?
-Were you once a human?
-What must a human do to rid itself of the animal mind, and why would she or he want to do this? (The advantages and disadvantages of doing so, if any.)
-What happens when people die? Reincarnation? Nonexistence?
-Earlier you said that emotion is a product of the spiritual side, yet when people get overly emotional, such as fearful, jealous, or even in love, that is when they act the most illogical, the most animal-like. Fear causes animal instincts to take over, fight or flight responses and such. It also causes herd-like mentality. Love causes people to compete with one another for affection, which anyone can see by turning on the Discovery Channel and watching two male walruses compete with each other for female walruses. What is your response to this? Why is emotion the spiritual side if it is rooted in animal behavior?


-Lyn
 
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Hmm, there is a lovely book, I am trying to find it but cannot recall the title, about a two dimensional world and one of the creatures in it visiting the three dimensional world, I think... I shall keep looking. I always wanted to read it but couldn't find a copy.

Anyhoot, this is all quite interesting stuff, but should probably be in the philosophy forum. Not that I can blame you for posting it here instead--I wander over to philosophy from time to time and it's usually quite dull, where someone posts an interesting question and then things die with only a couple posts. Someone trying to put forth a message of peace and love and all that good stuff is going to be drawn to the forum that also draws the most strife, and while I haven't visited many of the other boards here I think it's a fair bet that after General Apologetics went down, Ethics and Morality would be the next best thing. Still, this is probably in the wrong forum.

These are some interesting philosophical meanderings though, dimensional home town of the author notwithstanding.
 
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It's called Flatland by Edwin Abbott. Wonderful book.
 
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Don't have much to say to this. Is this something that could be called meta-math?


I can so sympathize with this. It must be an irony-meter shattering experience for an angel to have have registration problems while trying to join a jewish forum. These are the kinds of absurd things that make the world we live in interesting. Still, I have to wonder why only this and a jewish forum? Does geography matter to angels? What about religion? Do you only post on religious forums that acknowledge the possibility of angels? Why would that be?



In the OP you said that we all have the power to choose to be either spiritual beings or animal beings. As I see it, since we by your definition are formed of both of these states of existence, we don't have a choice. We can't be either-or, the most we can do is to compromise, and choose the side which we swing to the most. Here of course is the major arguing point which has occurred throughout human existence: which parts are the 'animal' parts, and which parts are the 'spiritual' ones. If you can shed a light on this dilemma by some other means than authoritative statements, I am intrigued.







Why would four-dimensional beings look like fog in three? Shouldn't you look three-dimensional, except that you'd be missing some plains that we might never even expect to see?


DeathMagus- I do actually press the keys. I type just like you all would type. I am subject to making the same mistakes.



But please be more careful, and tell your friends to take some typing classes too, for I would love to see some winged kittens. Isn't it difficult to type as a fog?




I'm quite certain that even if we know the “truth”. most of us either ignore it or misinterpret it How does that have any resemblance to the acclaimed original thing, and why should it be called truth?


I forgot to say before: welcome to the forums! Please remember the rules and kittens!
 
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Now Ahremn, what has God told you about teasing people on the Internet with your presence? It just isn't nice to confuse them like that. You know, one day someone is going to track your IP number and find the cure for AIDS and you know that God is saving that for the Second Depression. Now come on, we have to go decide which kids will be born with autism. You shouldn't spend so much time in this place anyway. You are not Gabriel. And Gabriel certainly doesn't send messages over forums. He uses GMail. It's much safer and he gets to tab everything.












(SATIRESATIRESATIRESATIREOMGSATIREDON'TSETMEONFIREPLEASE)
 
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That's great, just replace all the times you use "animal" with "human". To be sinful requires you to be aware of the moral applications of your actions, which animals are not. Nor do they destroy the planet they live on.
 
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